Finally Rich - Chief Keef

*performing

man freddie gibbs really bugs you huh?

no! i've given his albums positive reviews.

he was just a useful example b/c bdot used him as one in the podcast

the debate against narrow ideas of 'lyricism' in rap has had, and deserves, more effective poster boys than Keef, is all

This is the heart of the matter, really; stop acting like everyone who hates Keef wants all of their rap to be like Jurassic 5.

Like, if this was all being written about Gunplay, there would be a lot less "wtf are you talking about" going around.

gunplay is pretty lyrical tho

yeah but I get what DJP is saying though.

i'm not talking about jurassic 5 i'm comparing his style to young jeezy

gunplay is in his 30s

he's an amazing & dope rapper but he's not the bleeding edge

we all just agree that like Kendrick is Jimmy Page and Keef is Johnny Ramone and those are both perfectly fine aesthetics until deej runs up in here on some "NO KEEF IS SECRETLY JAMES BLOOD ULMER GUYS" and then we make fart jokes

i'd listen to a rapper called The Bleeding Edge

hahaha the 'youth aspect' is def the weirdest subplot of this whole chief keef debate

he's an amazing & dope rapper but he's not the bleeding edge

― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, January 11, 2013 3:28 PM (23 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

asserting that keef is "the bleeding edge" to me seems rhetorically in line with the more rockist type view though, asserting this weird idea that keef is "progressive" in some way that other rappers aren't, as if, like lyricism, there is only one way of being progressive, your privileging your own aesthetic preferences over other people's which is what you're accusing other people of doing

and then we make fart jokes

How does Chief Keef spell releef?

whiney sorry but i think it's important if you're going to make a case that keef matters that it's about him & not just "oh he picks good beats" or "he is influenced by soulja boy and waka" but actually make a case for what he does, musically

deej did u ride for lil romeo back in the day

yeah but your cases have been remarkably batshit, and that's coming from a keef fan

asserting that keef is "the bleeding edge" to me seems rhetorically in line with the more rockist type view though, asserting this weird idea that keef is "progressive" in some way that other rappers aren't, as if, like lyricism, there is only one way of being progressive, your privileging your own aesthetic preferences over other people's which is what you're accusing other people of doing

― fart the police (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, January 11, 2013 3:30 PM (20 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

no, i'm actually observing how his music is causing waves in the culture.

yeah but your cases have been remarkably batshit, and that's coming from a keef fan

― lol cassidy fan club (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, January 11, 2013 3:32 PM (11 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

great argument

no, i'm actually observing how his music is causing waves in the culture.

― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, January 11, 2013 3:32 PM (54 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"waves in the culture" - a totally measureable metric for sure

causing waves in the bedsheets of culture

of course its subjective! but it's kind of unquestionable that certain artists are going to have a bigger impact than others, aesthetically, right? i mean, that's something you can actually hear

whiney sorry but i think it's important if you're going to make a case that keef matters that it's about him & not just "oh he picks good beats" or "he is influenced by soulja boy and waka" but actually make a case for what he does, musically

― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, January 11, 2013 4:31 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ramones are great because of what they do, musically though

re: waves in the culture

http://www.surferliving.com/forums/uploads/monthly_01_2012/post-2-0-42971400-1325477363.jpg

http://cdn.thefader.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/F68_wavves.jpg

chief keef is and will be more influential than gunplay, guys, this is not really a deej moment

ramones are great because of what they do, musically though

― flopson, Friday, January 11, 2013 3:35 PM (36 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i didnt question the ramones comparison tbh although it's not the most precise one

breaking: the keef debate is now at hurricane level "subjective"

Chief Keef is more like the guitarist for Staind than Joey Ramone imo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njkhBhHsq2c

fwiw people might find this interview w/ malik yusef interesting. it brings up some of the complications of keef's situation

*johnny

Chief Keef is more like the guitarist for Staind than Joey Ramone imo

― NINO CARTER, Friday, January 11, 2013 3:38 PM (17 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah, and commercial rap is just like fast food, am i right

uh no, i love lots of commercial rap

does that make deej fred durst?

that is not what makes deej Fred Durst

CHIEF KEEF:RAP::NU-METAL:METAL makes a lot of sense actually

just drop d guitars, aggro chords, no solos ma'am

i did it all for the nookie, is the main thing

3 drummers, please

pentatonics, that's that shit i don't like

CHIEF KEEF:RAP::NU-METAL:METAL makes a lot of sense actually

― 乒乓, Friday, January 11, 2013 4:41 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

can we ban 乒乓 from this fucking thread already

pentatonics, that's that shit i don't like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUxH1KVi84Q

that is definitely some shit I don't like

omg whoa xpost

CHIEF KEEF:RAP::NU-METAL:METAL makes a lot of sense actually

― 乒乓, Friday, January 11, 2013 4:41 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

can we ban 乒乓 from this fucking thread already

im just tryin to get markers to post more itt, chill

that pentatonix video is so fucking vile

Deej - I'm definitely one of the people who do think Keef brings something new to the table and that he is probably important and that the album is among the best of the year, but since you tend to beat down almost everyone who tries to make a similar case as well as those who oppose you, could we at least have some bulletpoints or something to sum up WHAT it is about Keef that YOU think makes him special? And in advance "he makes other rappers sound old" doesn't count as a real argument - that's what he is supposed to do as a rapper. The question is why and how he does it - and by extentsion, what it all might mean.

Thanks.

i dont think im beating down ppl like jordan etc.! I mostly agree w/ him. I'm just trying to draw out or locate what the appeal is in a way that i think is true & for me personally, his rapping is pretty key to why it 'works' so saying it is 'terrible' is kind of undercutting your case

& i feel like i have made an argument for what he's doing as a rapper pretty much throughout this thread