so it's settled: chief keef uses viking to mean one who excels
― da croupier, Friday, 11 January 2013 21:10 (eleven years ago) link
omg lol
― Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:11 (eleven years ago) link
lol
― 乒乓, Friday, 11 January 2013 21:12 (eleven years ago) link
yes that is the tj piece of shit i listened to on youtube already thanks
― let's go do some crimes (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:12 (eleven years ago) link
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdtbd2u9LZ1qlw3djo1_500.gif
― lol cassidy fan club (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:12 (eleven years ago) link
i figured flopson was making a joke about the one-song-wonder having no 'deep cuts' to champion
― trey songza (some dude), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:13 (eleven years ago) link
the "intro" on his Spotify album is unbelievable
― Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:14 (eleven years ago) link
in a few years this thread will be a debate over the artistic merits of a rapper who raps using solely armpit noises
― NINO CARTER, Friday, 11 January 2013 21:14 (eleven years ago) link
no lie I think about the dn 'trinidad jokes' at least once every 3 days
― 乒乓, Friday, 11 January 2013 21:14 (eleven years ago) link
XD
― trey songza (some dude), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:15 (eleven years ago) link
guys gangster rap history has often moved in the direction of simplifying, figuring out the shortest & most efficient way to convey ideas ... prodigy's style was a simplification of the rap before it, the lox's style was a simplification, so was jeezy's. It's really about a pursuit of 'realism,' and it's what drives the direction of the genre. The reason keef is trend setting right now is because he's found a 'realer' style, a style that seems less performative (but of course still is)
the idea that there's LYRICAL RAPPERS and NONLYRICAL RAPPERS isn't exactly wrong, but it confuses things. There are rappers conveying ideas (which Keef is one) and rappers who don't, or just have filler lines or gimmicks or w/e (imo trinidad is one of these). It would be rockist to say one is better than the other, but a tendency i have noticed is that the FORMER tend to have a much more impactful presence on how people rap
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:15 (eleven years ago) link
I don't think anybody's arguing about simplicity per se, cuz I think a lot of the people in this thread enjoyed stuff like Compton's Most Wanted that wasn't full of skilled wordplay but had the appropo imagery, character, and menace.
― NINO CARTER, Friday, 11 January 2013 21:16 (eleven years ago) link
i was trying to explain to people that this wasn't about white hipsters fetishizing urban violence and then
The reason keef is trend setting right now is because he's found a 'realer' style
― lol cassidy fan club (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:16 (eleven years ago) link
well I should say "SOLELY about simplicity"
the debate against narrow ideas of 'lyricism' in rap has had, and deserves, more effective poster boys than Keef, is all
― trey songza (some dude), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:17 (eleven years ago) link
er, the "Authenticity" thereof
― lol cassidy fan club (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:17 (eleven years ago) link
sometimes you can confuse 'filler rappers' w/ 'rappers who convey things', (and its kind of a reductive construct as is) ive done it, im sure we all have at some point
i think a lot of people thought freddie gibbs was the latter and then started to feel like he was actually kinda the former
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:17 (eleven years ago) link
The reason keef is trend setting right now is because he's found a 'realer' style― lol cassidy fan club (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, January 11, 2013 3:16 PM (24 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
do you not understand what function those quotes are performer here
*performing
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:18 (eleven years ago) link
man freddie gibbs really bugs you huh?
― fart the police (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:19 (eleven years ago) link
no! i've given his albums positive reviews.
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:20 (eleven years ago) link
he was just a useful example b/c bdot used him as one in the podcast
This is the heart of the matter, really; stop acting like everyone who hates Keef wants all of their rap to be like Jurassic 5.
Like, if this was all being written about Gunplay, there would be a lot less "wtf are you talking about" going around.
― Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:24 (eleven years ago) link
gunplay is pretty lyrical tho
― fart the police (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:26 (eleven years ago) link
yeah but I get what DJP is saying though.
― NINO CARTER, Friday, 11 January 2013 21:26 (eleven years ago) link
i'm not talking about jurassic 5 i'm comparing his style to young jeezy
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:27 (eleven years ago) link
gunplay is in his 30s
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:28 (eleven years ago) link
he's an amazing & dope rapper but he's not the bleeding edge
we all just agree that like Kendrick is Jimmy Page and Keef is Johnny Ramone and those are both perfectly fine aesthetics until deej runs up in here on some "NO KEEF IS SECRETLY JAMES BLOOD ULMER GUYS" and then we make fart jokes
― lol cassidy fan club (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:28 (eleven years ago) link
i'd listen to a rapper called The Bleeding Edge
― NINO CARTER, Friday, 11 January 2013 21:28 (eleven years ago) link
hahaha the 'youth aspect' is def the weirdest subplot of this whole chief keef debate
― 乒乓, Friday, 11 January 2013 21:30 (eleven years ago) link
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, January 11, 2013 3:28 PM (23 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
asserting that keef is "the bleeding edge" to me seems rhetorically in line with the more rockist type view though, asserting this weird idea that keef is "progressive" in some way that other rappers aren't, as if, like lyricism, there is only one way of being progressive, your privileging your own aesthetic preferences over other people's which is what you're accusing other people of doing
― fart the police (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:30 (eleven years ago) link
and then we make fart jokes
How does Chief Keef spell releef?
― pure dressed up like a white ninja (snoball), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:31 (eleven years ago) link
whiney sorry but i think it's important if you're going to make a case that keef matters that it's about him & not just "oh he picks good beats" or "he is influenced by soulja boy and waka" but actually make a case for what he does, musically
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:31 (eleven years ago) link
deej did u ride for lil romeo back in the day
― 乒乓, Friday, 11 January 2013 21:31 (eleven years ago) link
yeah but your cases have been remarkably batshit, and that's coming from a keef fan
― lol cassidy fan club (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:32 (eleven years ago) link
― fart the police (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, January 11, 2013 3:30 PM (20 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
no, i'm actually observing how his music is causing waves in the culture.
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:32 (eleven years ago) link
― lol cassidy fan club (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, January 11, 2013 3:32 PM (11 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
great argument
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, January 11, 2013 3:32 PM (54 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
"waves in the culture" - a totally measureable metric for sure
― fart the police (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:34 (eleven years ago) link
causing waves in the bedsheets of culture
― da croupier, Friday, 11 January 2013 21:35 (eleven years ago) link
of course its subjective! but it's kind of unquestionable that certain artists are going to have a bigger impact than others, aesthetically, right? i mean, that's something you can actually hear
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:35 (eleven years ago) link
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, January 11, 2013 4:31 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ramones are great because of what they do, musically though
― flopson, Friday, 11 January 2013 21:35 (eleven years ago) link
re: waves in the culture
http://www.surferliving.com/forums/uploads/monthly_01_2012/post-2-0-42971400-1325477363.jpg
― NINO CARTER, Friday, 11 January 2013 21:36 (eleven years ago) link
http://cdn.thefader.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/F68_wavves.jpg
― lol cassidy fan club (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:36 (eleven years ago) link
chief keef is and will be more influential than gunplay, guys, this is not really a deej moment
― flopson, Friday, 11 January 2013 21:36 (eleven years ago) link
― flopson, Friday, January 11, 2013 3:35 PM (36 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i didnt question the ramones comparison tbh although it's not the most precise one
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:36 (eleven years ago) link
breaking: the keef debate is now at hurricane level "subjective"
― da croupier, Friday, 11 January 2013 21:37 (eleven years ago) link
Chief Keef is more like the guitarist for Staind than Joey Ramone imo
― NINO CARTER, Friday, 11 January 2013 21:38 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njkhBhHsq2c
fwiw people might find this interview w/ malik yusef interesting. it brings up some of the complications of keef's situation
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, 11 January 2013 21:39 (eleven years ago) link
*johnny
― NINO CARTER, Friday, 11 January 2013 21:39 (eleven years ago) link