Finally Rich - Chief Keef

yeah i can see TJ being condescending to the whole idea of rap in the same way as "i'm not a rapper" Shawty Lo types. that feels different to me though from guys like 2 Chainz who rap for 15 years and just get more obnoxious over time. xp

tbf this is the trinidad james song u should hear

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEwCFWAvGy4

honestly deej you're acting like these guys are motown session musicians or something

― fart the police (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, January 11, 2013 3:10 PM (8 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

idk what this means

so it's settled: chief keef uses viking to mean one who excels

omg lol

lol

yes that is the tj piece of shit i listened to on youtube already thanks

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdtbd2u9LZ1qlw3djo1_500.gif

i figured flopson was making a joke about the one-song-wonder having no 'deep cuts' to champion

the "intro" on his Spotify album is unbelievable

in a few years this thread will be a debate over the artistic merits of a rapper who raps using solely armpit noises

no lie I think about the dn 'trinidad jokes' at least once every 3 days

XD

guys gangster rap history has often moved in the direction of simplifying, figuring out the shortest & most efficient way to convey ideas ... prodigy's style was a simplification of the rap before it, the lox's style was a simplification, so was jeezy's. It's really about a pursuit of 'realism,' and it's what drives the direction of the genre. The reason keef is trend setting right now is because he's found a 'realer' style, a style that seems less performative (but of course still is)

the idea that there's LYRICAL RAPPERS and NONLYRICAL RAPPERS isn't exactly wrong, but it confuses things. There are rappers conveying ideas (which Keef is one) and rappers who don't, or just have filler lines or gimmicks or w/e (imo trinidad is one of these). It would be rockist to say one is better than the other, but a tendency i have noticed is that the FORMER tend to have a much more impactful presence on how people rap

I don't think anybody's arguing about simplicity per se, cuz I think a lot of the people in this thread enjoyed stuff like Compton's Most Wanted that wasn't full of skilled wordplay but had the appropo imagery, character, and menace.

i was trying to explain to people that this wasn't about white hipsters fetishizing urban violence and then

The reason keef is trend setting right now is because he's found a 'realer' style

well I should say "SOLELY about simplicity"

the debate against narrow ideas of 'lyricism' in rap has had, and deserves, more effective poster boys than Keef, is all

er, the "Authenticity" thereof

sometimes you can confuse 'filler rappers' w/ 'rappers who convey things', (and its kind of a reductive construct as is) ive done it, im sure we all have at some point

i think a lot of people thought freddie gibbs was the latter and then started to feel like he was actually kinda the former

i was trying to explain to people that this wasn't about white hipsters fetishizing urban violence and then

The reason keef is trend setting right now is because he's found a 'realer' style
― lol cassidy fan club (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, January 11, 2013 3:16 PM (24 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

do you not understand what function those quotes are performer here

*performing

man freddie gibbs really bugs you huh?

no! i've given his albums positive reviews.

he was just a useful example b/c bdot used him as one in the podcast

the debate against narrow ideas of 'lyricism' in rap has had, and deserves, more effective poster boys than Keef, is all

This is the heart of the matter, really; stop acting like everyone who hates Keef wants all of their rap to be like Jurassic 5.

Like, if this was all being written about Gunplay, there would be a lot less "wtf are you talking about" going around.

gunplay is pretty lyrical tho

yeah but I get what DJP is saying though.

i'm not talking about jurassic 5 i'm comparing his style to young jeezy

gunplay is in his 30s

he's an amazing & dope rapper but he's not the bleeding edge

we all just agree that like Kendrick is Jimmy Page and Keef is Johnny Ramone and those are both perfectly fine aesthetics until deej runs up in here on some "NO KEEF IS SECRETLY JAMES BLOOD ULMER GUYS" and then we make fart jokes

i'd listen to a rapper called The Bleeding Edge

hahaha the 'youth aspect' is def the weirdest subplot of this whole chief keef debate

he's an amazing & dope rapper but he's not the bleeding edge

― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, January 11, 2013 3:28 PM (23 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

asserting that keef is "the bleeding edge" to me seems rhetorically in line with the more rockist type view though, asserting this weird idea that keef is "progressive" in some way that other rappers aren't, as if, like lyricism, there is only one way of being progressive, your privileging your own aesthetic preferences over other people's which is what you're accusing other people of doing

and then we make fart jokes

How does Chief Keef spell releef?

whiney sorry but i think it's important if you're going to make a case that keef matters that it's about him & not just "oh he picks good beats" or "he is influenced by soulja boy and waka" but actually make a case for what he does, musically

deej did u ride for lil romeo back in the day

yeah but your cases have been remarkably batshit, and that's coming from a keef fan

asserting that keef is "the bleeding edge" to me seems rhetorically in line with the more rockist type view though, asserting this weird idea that keef is "progressive" in some way that other rappers aren't, as if, like lyricism, there is only one way of being progressive, your privileging your own aesthetic preferences over other people's which is what you're accusing other people of doing

― fart the police (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, January 11, 2013 3:30 PM (20 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

no, i'm actually observing how his music is causing waves in the culture.

yeah but your cases have been remarkably batshit, and that's coming from a keef fan

― lol cassidy fan club (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, January 11, 2013 3:32 PM (11 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

great argument

no, i'm actually observing how his music is causing waves in the culture.

― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, January 11, 2013 3:32 PM (54 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"waves in the culture" - a totally measureable metric for sure

causing waves in the bedsheets of culture

of course its subjective! but it's kind of unquestionable that certain artists are going to have a bigger impact than others, aesthetically, right? i mean, that's something you can actually hear

whiney sorry but i think it's important if you're going to make a case that keef matters that it's about him & not just "oh he picks good beats" or "he is influenced by soulja boy and waka" but actually make a case for what he does, musically

― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, January 11, 2013 4:31 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ramones are great because of what they do, musically though

re: waves in the culture

http://www.surferliving.com/forums/uploads/monthly_01_2012/post-2-0-42971400-1325477363.jpg

http://cdn.thefader.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/F68_wavves.jpg

chief keef is and will be more influential than gunplay, guys, this is not really a deej moment

ramones are great because of what they do, musically though

― flopson, Friday, January 11, 2013 3:35 PM (36 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i didnt question the ramones comparison tbh although it's not the most precise one

breaking: the keef debate is now at hurricane level "subjective"