Literary Clusterfucks 2013

feel like yr bringing some of yr own baggage here big guy

in my mind you're wearing a t-shirt that says "i'm not a bitch, i'm just honest"

haha i think i just figured out who al leong is

Pretty sure I am the most self-righteous ilxor, I just polished my halo this morning.

feel like anyone who believes anything valdes says about anything is setting themselves up for a big shock during the reveal

"no im the most honest ilxor!" "no i am!"

honestly is more important to me than sanctimony

in my mind everyone in this thread is an anthropomorphised cat flying around in a disco in second life

seems clear that sanctimony is p important to you too

wd rather take abuse survivors' words at face value and be surprised every once in a while than the other option tbh

oh yeah? where have i been sanctimonious, max?

honestly is more important to me than sanctimony

― Mordy, Friday, January 11, 2013 4:00 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is the most sanctimonious post on the entire thread

do you know what the word sanctimonious means?

(quick, google it)

hey is it necessary to be like that, dude?

apparently, yes

sorry i'm not being cuddlestein here. hugs all around, kip guys!

ahhh you were just stating facts not demonstrating yr clear moral superiority. my mistake. its cool.

lmao you sure hate sanctimony. thats why you keep telling us why youre better than other people.

better than you for sure

horseshoe is awesome

tbh i'm not even sure what mordy's shtick is

i guess if you work for nick denton it doesn't bother you when someone published gross sexist bullshit

my dude. chill out.

oh hey i wonder how gross kate middleton's new portrait is. i wonder if there's a website that will cater to my curiosity

oh wait i think i figured it out

sorry to interrupt the lovefest

http://susiebright.blogs.com/susie_brights_journal_/2013/01/a-little-truth-about-those-embarrassing-post-feminist-memoirs.html

calmer than your are

keep flaming out here Mordy, I'm enjoying the realization that I am not the only person here who has major problems with you

lol

i'm feeling pretty calm + i'll take all comers. tho sleeve i think we've discussed this before and i'm trying not to retread.

sheesh

wd rather take abuse survivors' words at face value and be surprised every once in a while than the other option tbh

Agreed. If that makes me sanctimonious or self-righteous, oh well.

calmer than your are

― ♨ (am0n), Friday, January 11, 2013 3:09 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

:)

again mordy it'd be nice if you'd say who and what is that's sanctimonious instead of blithely announcing that your honesty is better than it (i'm assuming you mean it's you that's providing the honesty here)

i'm feeling pretty calm + i'll take all comers.
― Mordy, Friday, January 11, 2013 4:11 PM

lol @ this get-in-the-octagon shit

it'd be nice if it's incumbent upon you as an honest person to

xp

sanctimony connotes affectation, diningenuity, or hypocrisy fwiw #vocabulary #words

to be completely honest, i am not capable of remaining measured when people rip apart a claim of abuse while betraying a seeming ignorance of how that kind of abuse typically affects victims. for personal reasons, so i should never have posted what i posted last night. i was really grateful to emily and elmo, though, and don't think either of them can be described as self-righteous. also as long as everyone's being unnecessarily mean, your arms are too short to box with max, Mordy.

also i was grateful to in orbit and Nicole while reading this thread last night. yes i will continue to thrillingly catalogue my reactions to the first half of this thread no you cannot stop me.

"a seeming ignorance of how that kind of abuse typically affects victims" is key

all I'm saying is that a lot of people of mixed euro/indian descent do not identify as "native american" and would not be "okay" with being labeled native american.

― drunk 'n' white's elements of style (Hurting 2), Friday, January 11, 2013 3:35 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you know a lot about how people from central and south america self identify i guess. ty for bringing that knowledge to this thread.

― max, Friday, 11 January 2013 20:57 (14 minutes ago) Permalink

and you know a lot about what it is "okay" to label them

hey thank you for that link Edward, Susie Bright OTM as usual.

i guess were all experts

she lied about being bisexual, she lied about being bipolar, she wrote a letter to her former employer equating using the term latino w/ cultural genocide (and called it worse than literal genocide), she wrote a post where she said the cowboy she was no longer with - who she wrote a love letter book to - abused her, deleted it and said it was because her publisher made her, then claimed it was because her agent made her, went on the radio and promoted the book like nothing had ever happened, even in discussing the deleted post said that she still felt like he tamed her for her current boyfriend... for anyone to read all these facts and then exclaim with horror that we can't dare discuss these facts without tarnishing her status as an abuse survivor is imho being sanctimonious and full of shit.

i'm an expert at discerning whose concern is genuine and who's just faking it as a display of moral superiority

call me a men's rights sexist advocate but that's the kind of thing that i feel is dishonest. the first link buzza posted to her history someone jumped to ask whether that means we should consider her a liar. we don't have to make statements like we're sure she's lying or not but it's another kind of lie to pretend that all of this isn't relevant or true.

90% of these things happened before she was even in a relationship with this cowboy.

Are you stoned? Stop being a dick.

dude, Alisa definitely has written a bunch of M@riss@-like stuff, but ...

Why is it so important to you for other people to judge her as harshly as you want to, Mordy?

we don't know for certain she "lied" about being bisexual, or bipolar -- that is, we don't know for certain she ISN'T bisexual, or bipolar. all we know is she mounted really incredible arguments saying she never said so in the first place.

no, she isn't 'credible' in that she has changed her story about x or y experience quite drastically.

but my whole position is that being very circumspect about what the truth is about valdes' experience very much includes being circumspect about saying the abuse didn't happen.

i feel like when dealing with people who may have "issues" it's often best to think about them empathetically (and that goes for all people really), especially when one does not have a particular dog in that fight, since who knows what someone is going through? it's not really a "loss" in my opinion to hold back. whatever her issues are, what she's said isn't so horrific as to preclude empathy.