Finally Rich - Chief Keef

don't think that's fair, jeezy wasn't GOAT status or anything but he was miles past keef skillswise (and I really like the keef record)

xp

Jeezy in '05 was a MUCH bigger, more immediate voice. i think you gotta be really inside the Keef bubble to think that he does anything with appeal as undeniable as those early Jeezy ad libs.

not that that's what you're doing, just saying

oy, the energy behind jeezy was much bigger than it was for keef, but i don't think there's some unquestionable 'skill superiority' between the two of them or something. jeezy was never *about* skill

as narrators, it makes sense to compare them. Jeezy was, like Keef, more of a literalist lyrically

haha really? TM101 is nearly unlistenable for me, but somehow I don't mind keef

I suppose another benefit of this thread is introducing trinidad james to DJP

like, okay, chief keef is a sheer literalist, what is trinidad james... ?

should i listen to trinidad james or?

you should hear his one big song, its cool

i feel the same way about trinidad that i do about 2chainz, where there's something that makes me think they both think they're 'above' the music they make, which leaves a bad taste.

lyrics to "Thug Motivation 101":

[Verse 1]
I use to hit the kitchen lights, cockroaches everywhere
Hit the kitchen lights: now it's marble floors, everywhere!
Call the carpenter, the roof on the coupe's gone
Give a fuck what he sold - I'm the truth, homes
Kitchen's fumed up, niggas jamming 2pac
Get my Benihanas on, working 2 pots
Baby need shoes, partner need bail money
Bloodhound for the bread, I just smell money
Niggas just write, I recollect
Hands on, Jeezy really counted them checks
I'm Donald Trump in a white tee and white 1's
The conversation is money: nigga, you want some?

[Hook]
You gotta believe, you gotta believe
Ay you ain't never seen them pies
I'm talking so much white, it'll hurt ya eyes
I really lived it man
Counted so much paper, it'll hurt ya hands
Let's get it!

[Verse 2]
I'm what the streets made me, a product of my environment
Took what the streets gave me: product in my environment
Now it's 28 inches on the brand new Hummer
Telling you right now: it's gon' be a cold summer
Blew the brains out the Chevy, call it suicide
It's a way of life, that's how us young niggas ride
Trap Or Die gave 'em hope, they waiting for the sequel
It's clear to see: the boy Jeezy do it for the people

[Hook]

[Verse 3]
I'm the author of the book, yeah a genius wrote it
There's a message in my words, you gotta decode it
I seen it all, every gram, every bird
I spit the truth, every noun, every verb
I never exaggerated one line, one dime
Never lied to the people, not one time
A hard head make a soft ass
And hard white will get ya straight cash

I don't see how you can even begin to think this is lyrically in the same universe as Chief Keef

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YL6CVwGTyVs

all you need to hear

Faulkner: ‘[Hemingway] has never been known to use a word that might send a reader to the dictionary.’

Hemingway: ‘Poor Faulkner. Does he really think big emotions come from big words?’

well that was fucking horrible

chief keef, the flaubert of rap

i feel the same way about trinidad that i do about 2chainz, where there's something that makes me think they both think they're 'above' the music they make, which leaves a bad taste.

― rap steve gadd (D-40), Friday, January 11, 2013 3:58 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i dunno. you think TJ writes rhymes on the low and just chooses to not rhyme in the booth?

Faulkner: ‘[Hemingway] has never been known to use a word that might send a reader to the dictionary.’

Hemingway: ‘Poor Faulkner. Does he really think big emotions come from big words?’

Does this comeback really make sense to you, particularly in the context of someone comparing Young Jeezy to Chief Keef?

I'll cop to the fact that one of my pet peeves is rappers who rhyme the same word with the same word and that if you do that you'll probably irrationally bias me against the rest of your songs, and that's what happened to me w/ jeezy's first record

btw fuck you forever dayo, I am currently in the middle of a neverending "popped a molly I'm sweatin' (HOO!)" loop

Does this comeback really make sense to you, particularly in the context of someone comparing Young Jeezy to Chief Keef?

― Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Friday, January 11, 2013 3:04 PM (0 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think that keef has lyrics that are literal & simple in execution but convey concepts and his worldview w/ efficiency. I think that comparing his lyrics to jeezy's makes jeezy seem more traditionalist & conservative

jeezy was already a simplification of more complex older rappers

funniest thing about the whole Trinidad James situation is the co-creator of Martin Lawrence's "Jerome" character threatening to sue

btw fuck you forever dayo, I am currently in the middle of a neverending "popped a molly I'm sweatin' (HOO!)" loop

― Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Friday, January 11, 2013 3:06 PM (16 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdhtghdwSD1qdpp8h.gif

hahahaha hemingway! love it. deej is bringing it on every level itt.

rhyming the same word with the same word is perfectly fine if it's done in a clever way, ie, where the rapper re-states the same phrase but in an entirely different context (ie, Rick Ross "My teacher told me that I was a piece of shit/Saw her the other day, driving a piece of shit"), but then you also have...Mack Maine.

xxxpost

why does trinidad james dress like a dollar store jimi hendrix halloween costume?

Quee-Farty constantly drawing parallels between the Keef wars and famous literary feuds will never stop being funny

i dunno. you think TJ writes rhymes on the low and just chooses to not rhyme in the booth?

― trey songza (some dude), Friday, January 11, 2013 3:03 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

no i think he thinks he's above rap in general or may have at least initially -- i mean it takes some cojones to think you can just become a successful rapper after doing it a couple of months, and that all ppl want is 'simplicity' -- he's probably finding out that there's an artfulness to simplicity that is tougher to make 'work' consistently

I think he's finding that if you turn yourself into a meme machine ppl will spread your name everywhere and you get famous in spite of yourself

honestly deej you're acting like these guys are motown session musicians or something

that too xp

yeah i can see TJ being condescending to the whole idea of rap in the same way as "i'm not a rapper" Shawty Lo types. that feels different to me though from guys like 2 Chainz who rap for 15 years and just get more obnoxious over time. xp

tbf this is the trinidad james song u should hear

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEwCFWAvGy4

honestly deej you're acting like these guys are motown session musicians or something

― fart the police (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, January 11, 2013 3:10 PM (8 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

idk what this means

so it's settled: chief keef uses viking to mean one who excels

omg lol

lol

yes that is the tj piece of shit i listened to on youtube already thanks

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdtbd2u9LZ1qlw3djo1_500.gif

i figured flopson was making a joke about the one-song-wonder having no 'deep cuts' to champion

the "intro" on his Spotify album is unbelievable

in a few years this thread will be a debate over the artistic merits of a rapper who raps using solely armpit noises

no lie I think about the dn 'trinidad jokes' at least once every 3 days

XD

guys gangster rap history has often moved in the direction of simplifying, figuring out the shortest & most efficient way to convey ideas ... prodigy's style was a simplification of the rap before it, the lox's style was a simplification, so was jeezy's. It's really about a pursuit of 'realism,' and it's what drives the direction of the genre. The reason keef is trend setting right now is because he's found a 'realer' style, a style that seems less performative (but of course still is)

the idea that there's LYRICAL RAPPERS and NONLYRICAL RAPPERS isn't exactly wrong, but it confuses things. There are rappers conveying ideas (which Keef is one) and rappers who don't, or just have filler lines or gimmicks or w/e (imo trinidad is one of these). It would be rockist to say one is better than the other, but a tendency i have noticed is that the FORMER tend to have a much more impactful presence on how people rap

I don't think anybody's arguing about simplicity per se, cuz I think a lot of the people in this thread enjoyed stuff like Compton's Most Wanted that wasn't full of skilled wordplay but had the appropo imagery, character, and menace.

i was trying to explain to people that this wasn't about white hipsters fetishizing urban violence and then

The reason keef is trend setting right now is because he's found a 'realer' style

well I should say "SOLELY about simplicity"

the debate against narrow ideas of 'lyricism' in rap has had, and deserves, more effective poster boys than Keef, is all

er, the "Authenticity" thereof