Finally Rich - Chief Keef

its just that the 'pro-' argument that says 'sometimes keef is terrible at rapping' is 1) setting up standards for rapping that i don't think keef is even trying to meet, and 2) is too reminiscent of those stupid articles that fetishized the 'croak' of wayne's voice and said stuff like 'it doesn't even matter what he's saying'

what keef is saying is important to why keef's music is interesting

i'm saying a defense of his music needs to look at the entirety of its effect instead of like 'oh he chose that one cloud-rap beat and that was cool' is a good reason for saying he's a great artist

A fuck nigga, that's that shit I don't like, nah

A snitch nigga, that's that shit I don't like, nah
A bitch nigga, that's that shit I don't like, nah
Sneak dissers that's that shit I don't like
Don't like, like, don't like, like
A snitch nigga, that's that shit I don't like, nah
Don't like, like, don't like, like
A bitch nigga, that's that shit I don't like, nah

[Verse 1: Chief Keef]
A popped bitch, that's that shit I don't like
I got a bad bitch, yeah that bitch right
We smoke dope all day, all night
You smoke Reggie, that's that shit I don't like
We got a fucking Audi, that bitch all white
Pull up on your bitch, bet she gonna like
Sosa bitch, yeah, I done gon' hype
Pistol toting and I'm shooting on sight
A snitch nigga, that's that shit I don't like
Your bitch want do the team bet she won't fight
Bitch, we GBE -- fuck who don't like
And we ain't gon' fight, our guns gon' fight

[Hook]

[Verse 2: Chief Keef]
Fake Trues that's that shit I don't like
Fake shoes, that's that shit I don't like
Fake niggas, that's that shit I don't like
Stalking ass bitch, shit I don't like
I done got indicted selling all white
But I won't never snitch none in my life
I keep this shit 3hunna bitch, I'm going right
Where my niggas when it's time to start taking lifes
Playing both sides, shit that I don't like
Wartime spark broad day, all night
Playing both sides, shit that I don't like
Wartime spark broad day, all night

[Hook]

[Verse 3: Lil Reese]
I'm telling these niggas shit that they don't like
Broski got the 30, he ain't tryina fight
Got your bitch out here in it all night
Fredo in the cut, that's a scary sight
You not with the six you can die tonight
I only want the top, I ain't tryna pipe
Them younguns with the shits they be toting pipe
Floating off at flat, I might take flight
3hunna bitch we hot, we done took flight
Taking shit down, we ain't like the price
Thirsty ass bitches shit that we don't like
OTFGBE yo bitch like

hmm yes, very interesting

LOL

you dont think the meaning of those words in the context of music feeds into what makes the song work?

those are good lyrics

xpost LOOOOOL

that he could just be singing nonsense words and we'd still like it because young chop is great?

pretty much any comparison to a classic "simple" or "not lyrical" rapper does Keef about as many favors as if you compare him to Nas.

I would think some thought went into this if this was all done over a loop of "Waiting on the Robert E Lee"

i'm not comparing him to too short i'm comparing the arguments around him to those around too short

tbf why single out chief keef when french montana is also out there on the radio

true

what if you like some ignorant-ass rap but prefer it when the rapper doesn't sound like he's reading an eye chart in the optometrist's office?

or trinidad james

Those lyrics are classic....

anyway allow me to again register my admiration at this thread having 700+ new answers when the basic point of disagreement is ship thinking this is a 6.0 record and deej/j0rd thinking this is an 8.5 record

what if you like some ignorant-ass rap but prefer it when the rapper doesn't sound like he's reading an eye chart in the optometrist's office?

― let's go do some crimes (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, January 11, 2013 2:35 PM (10 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

then that's personal taste

i mean iirc 'reading an eye chart' describes how DJP hears Ma$e too

and farts

what if you like some ignorant-ass rap but prefer it when the rapper doesn't sound like he's reading an eye chart in the optometrist's office?

― let's go do some crimes (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, January 11, 2013 3:35 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah to borrow a phrase from rev, if there's not srs lyrics there should at least be srs charismatic delivery

i mean Nelly didn't really have bars but that guy was a fuckin vocalist

and farts

― 乒乓, Friday, January 11, 2013 2:36 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/19662_530303565673_3139433_n.jpg

yeah to borrow a phrase from rev, if there's not srs lyrics there should at least be srs charismatic delivery

― trey songza (some dude), Friday, January 11, 2013 2:37 PM (40 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you don't think his vocals are charismatic, DJP thinks Ma$e is awful, at this point we're just hearing the sounds differently. the reason i like keef is b/c i think he IS a charismatic vocalist

alright cool, case closed, lock thread

i mean iirc 'reading an eye chart' describes how DJP hears Ma$e too

if you're gonna put words into someone's mouth, at least have a modicum of a clue as to what their position is

"slow kid mumbling through a mouth full of cream of wheat" is how I hear Ma$e, which I still find preferable to what Chief Keef is doing

"B.Dot is arguing that, unlike practically every other person in rock who has been celebrated as a formidable talent in the history of the genre, the Ramones' songs are illiterate bullshit, and claiming otherwise shows a disconnect in the values of what makes rock music great."

alright cool, case closed, lock thread

― 乒乓, Friday, January 11, 2013 3:38 PM (22 seconds ago) Bookmark

it should be noted that no one is forcing you to open this thread to make fart jokes

thank christ he is thought

I'm drawn like methane to the flame xp

wow French Montana is irritating

man you come up with the perfect rolling 2013 rap thread title 2 weeks late, thanks a lot man

rolling eye chart thread

anyway I do think keef is p charismatic on a track, but it seems to me maybe the better comparison is like early jeezy, who couldn't really rap his way out of a paper box on TM101 but who everybody loved anyway cause he sounded so good

also chief keef haters probably just think that on his songs keef sounds really flat... ulent

okay Trinidad James is a prank, right

don't think that's fair, jeezy wasn't GOAT status or anything but he was miles past keef skillswise (and I really like the keef record)

xp

Jeezy in '05 was a MUCH bigger, more immediate voice. i think you gotta be really inside the Keef bubble to think that he does anything with appeal as undeniable as those early Jeezy ad libs.

not that that's what you're doing, just saying

oy, the energy behind jeezy was much bigger than it was for keef, but i don't think there's some unquestionable 'skill superiority' between the two of them or something. jeezy was never *about* skill

as narrators, it makes sense to compare them. Jeezy was, like Keef, more of a literalist lyrically

haha really? TM101 is nearly unlistenable for me, but somehow I don't mind keef

I suppose another benefit of this thread is introducing trinidad james to DJP

like, okay, chief keef is a sheer literalist, what is trinidad james... ?

should i listen to trinidad james or?

you should hear his one big song, its cool

i feel the same way about trinidad that i do about 2chainz, where there's something that makes me think they both think they're 'above' the music they make, which leaves a bad taste.

lyrics to "Thug Motivation 101":

[Verse 1]
I use to hit the kitchen lights, cockroaches everywhere
Hit the kitchen lights: now it's marble floors, everywhere!
Call the carpenter, the roof on the coupe's gone
Give a fuck what he sold - I'm the truth, homes
Kitchen's fumed up, niggas jamming 2pac
Get my Benihanas on, working 2 pots
Baby need shoes, partner need bail money
Bloodhound for the bread, I just smell money
Niggas just write, I recollect
Hands on, Jeezy really counted them checks
I'm Donald Trump in a white tee and white 1's
The conversation is money: nigga, you want some?

[Hook]
You gotta believe, you gotta believe
Ay you ain't never seen them pies
I'm talking so much white, it'll hurt ya eyes
I really lived it man
Counted so much paper, it'll hurt ya hands
Let's get it!

[Verse 2]
I'm what the streets made me, a product of my environment
Took what the streets gave me: product in my environment
Now it's 28 inches on the brand new Hummer
Telling you right now: it's gon' be a cold summer
Blew the brains out the Chevy, call it suicide
It's a way of life, that's how us young niggas ride
Trap Or Die gave 'em hope, they waiting for the sequel
It's clear to see: the boy Jeezy do it for the people

[Hook]

[Verse 3]
I'm the author of the book, yeah a genius wrote it
There's a message in my words, you gotta decode it
I seen it all, every gram, every bird
I spit the truth, every noun, every verb
I never exaggerated one line, one dime
Never lied to the people, not one time
A hard head make a soft ass
And hard white will get ya straight cash

I don't see how you can even begin to think this is lyrically in the same universe as Chief Keef

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YL6CVwGTyVs

all you need to hear

Faulkner: ‘[Hemingway] has never been known to use a word that might send a reader to the dictionary.’

Hemingway: ‘Poor Faulkner. Does he really think big emotions come from big words?’

well that was fucking horrible

chief keef, the flaubert of rap