Literary Clusterfucks 2013

and not just imposed by some racists.

Like I am not trying to spin something out of control here but people keep walking right into it? Isn't it unavoidably the case that everything w/r/t race is imposed by some racists because the winners have mostly always gotten to set the terms?

i am kind of with in orbit and max here, i kind of feel like all the objections reinforce her points; plus, sidequestion--this is her letter of resignation? was this meant to be published or did she just send it to them and they made the call to publish this (w/her consent presumably)(probably already covered here, i'm just fuzzy w/ the detail of this partic incident)

also calling this "Cultural genocide" didnt originate with her did it? that seems to be one of the things zachlyon kind of brought up...?

ok max p much got to every single one of my points nm

like just as you feel it ridiculous for her to call out the la times i feel it a little ridiculous for a bunch of guys on a message board to feel the need to go out of their collective way to call her out for something thats 10 years old, that she likely doesnt support anymore, that has literally no bearing on their lives or conduct

I see we've kinda moved on from the original clusterfuck, but according to someone on Twitter who contacted her, the original blog post was taken down at the request of her agent, not publisher. I hadn't remembered to consider the influence of the agent in all this, another party whose self-interest complicates things.

― says a future man to his crystal son (reddening), Friday, January 11, 2013 1:01 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I wonder if her agent told her to take down this tweet:

Alisa Valdes ‏@MizAlisa
To those of you asking about the disappearance of yesterday's blog post: I was asked to take it down by my publisher, and did. The end.

if we cant call people out for stuff that has no bearing on our lives or conduct we might as well just go home

;_;

http://www.latina.com/entertainment/tv/author-alisa-valdes-rodriguez-im-sick-seeing-latinas-powerless-sluts

Alisa Valdes ‏@MizAlisa
To those of you asking about the disappearance of yesterday's blog post: I was asked to take it down by my publisher, and did. The end.

LOL

that's an amazing URL

is there a personality type where people are addicted to conflict? i'm not trying to be funny here, is there a name for that kind of thing?

If we could harness this thread, it could provide enough energy to light 40,000 homes, and thereby generate irony in quantities too large to measure.

and yes the cultural genocide of using the term 'latina' seems to have become less of an acute problem now

is there a personality type where people are addicted to conflict? i'm not trying to be funny here, is there a name for that kind of thing?

― goole, Friday, January 11, 2013 2:16 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

iirc that applies to borderline personality disorder

the agent thing is funny if true

according to someone on Twitter who contacted her

redding, do you have a link to this someone?

there was a line in the new episode of Justified - 'You run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. You run into assholes all day, you're the asshole.'

all the drama seems v exhausting

is there a personality type where people are addicted to conflict? i'm not trying to be funny here, is there a name for that kind of thing?

― goole, Friday, January 11, 2013 2:16 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

americans!

ilxors

russians!

latinos

Certainly not the French! Wocka wocka

ultimate fighting

humans

hummus

http://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/2006/1101061225_400.jpg

HEY

Re: agent thing, it was the author of this salon article:

http://www.salon.com/2013/01/11/alisa_valdes_anti_feminist_romance_not_so_romantic/

http://missalisasplace.com/2012/12/24/alisa-responds-to-the-ny-posts-hatchet-job-on-her-memoir/

I think Valdez would be better off is she stopped publishing these tweets and blog posts before she deletes them.

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For instance, the Post piece claims that in my memoir I offer “lessons for women” about how to live their lives. I do not. In fact, I am very careful in the book to state the following, in anticipation of exactly this kind of criticism:

I don’t intend for this book to be anything but my own life story and my own personal observations and change. I’m not writing handbook. It’s more of a diary. (page 104)

The piece also says that I give women advice to allow alpha men to cheat — a total fabrication that has unfortunately been echoed already on the website Jezebel, which did what blogs often do best, running a nasty piece that just copied the newspaper piece whilst adding, you know, curse words.

Which reminds me of

What I mean by this is that while I set out to write a memoir that was a love letter to a man I was deeply in love with, a man who challenged me in myriad ways, a man who changed my life profoundly, a man I respected and honored greatly at the time, what I actually wrote was a handbook for women on how to fall in love with a manipulative, controlling, abusive narcissist.

tbf, the post is a horrible rag and I stand in solidarity with Valdez on the fact that they are a bag of dicks

thanks for the link, redding

i think if a person is of mixed euro-indian descent its "okay" by most standards to refer to them as native american or american indian

If you think this is true, I suggest you try asking random Mexican people if they are Mayan. See how that goes for you.

Anyone tried this yet?

lol it had been 8 minutes, give ppl some time

Even better is to do something like, say, go up to someone from Sonora and say "So you're from Zacatecas, right?"

Go to someone from, I dunno, Chiapas or Oaxaca and say "You all do mariachi music down there, yeah?"

'i'm an aztec, motherfucker'

No results found for "i'm taino btw".

all I'm saying is that a lot of people of mixed euro/indian descent do not identify as "native american" and would not be "okay" with being labeled native american.

The Aristotelian penchant for categorization and sub-categorization always breaks down at some point before reaching a satisfactory system of division.

you know what i can't stand around here? people not naming names.

― goole, Friday, January 11, 2013 12:14 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol okay it was Mordy and Aimless i was mad at after reading the first half of this thread. i don't know if i'm one of the ilx posters Mordy was referring to, but i am def self-righteous and likely bask in the pieties he was referring to as well.

i would agree w/ horseshoe's self-assessment there

http://www.whitbyseaanglers.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/basking-shark1.jpg

a basking shark

i think if a person is of mixed euro-indian descent its "okay" by most standards to refer to them as native american or american indian

If you think this is true, I suggest you try asking random Mexican people if they are Mayan. See how that goes for you.

― drunk 'n' white's elements of style (Hurting 2), Friday, January 11, 2013 3:15 PM (38 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i don't think "mayan" and "american indian" are the same thing hurting!

you drive me crazy but to be really real, the weirdo metaphor of basking in pieties delights me.

xxp don't get it twisted; you're wrong about everything

oh yeah i was mad at Hurting too

i love horseshoe and think she is one of the owningest posters on this board fwiw, ive never read her posts as pious or self-righteous and think shes an incredibly thoughtful and self-critical person

aw max. i love you too.

all I'm saying is that a lot of people of mixed euro/indian descent do not identify as "native american" and would not be "okay" with being labeled native american.

― drunk 'n' white's elements of style (Hurting 2), Friday, January 11, 2013 3:35 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you know a lot about how people from central and south america self identify i guess. ty for bringing that knowledge to this thread.

in my mind every valdes defender on this thread is wearing a papier-mâché halo over their heads - "no i'm the most sympathetic ilxor," "no, i am!"

feel like yr bringing some of yr own baggage here big guy