seems like the simplest thing to do would be to just call yourself CAUCASIAN [LATINO] as per so many job applications, government forms, and beauty pageant entrance packets
― let's go do some crimes (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, 11 January 2013 18:57 (eleven years ago) link
many ppl called 'latino' arent 'caucasian' tho. i think this is part of her point.
― max, Friday, 11 January 2013 18:57 (eleven years ago) link
i don't think she has a point
― let's go do some crimes (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, 11 January 2013 18:58 (eleven years ago) link
about anything
ever
she has at least 4 points in her la times resignation letter, she numbers them and everything
― max, Friday, 11 January 2013 18:59 (eleven years ago) link
tbf i haven't read anything in this thread since the last time i posted
― let's go do some crimes (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, 11 January 2013 18:59 (eleven years ago) link
seems clear she prefers "native american" or "american indian"
― max, Friday, January 11, 2013 1:55 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Ok, but this wouldn't describe a lot of people who are described as latino today who are of mixed european-indian descent. And it would also suggest that we shouldn't refer to people as "Cuban" or "Mexican" or "Guatemalan" because those are all imposed by colonialism too. In any case, this is a debate that has been going on for decades and I think it's kind of ridiculous to call out the LA Times as being complicit in some kind of cultural genocide for using the prevailing term, a term that seems to have been arrived at for the moment as the result of an ongoing debate and not just imposed by some racists.
― drunk 'n' white's elements of style (Hurting 2), Friday, 11 January 2013 19:00 (eleven years ago) link
I see we've kinda moved on from the original clusterfuck, but according to someone on Twitter who contacted her, the original blog post was taken down at the request of her agent, not publisher. I hadn't remembered to consider the influence of the agent in all this, another party whose self-interest complicates things.
― says a future man to his crystal son (reddening), Friday, 11 January 2013 19:01 (eleven years ago) link
Ok, but this wouldn't describe a lot of people who are described as latino today who are of mixed european-indian descent.
i think if a person is of mixed euro-indian descent its "okay" by most standards to refer to them as native american or american indian
And it would also suggest that we shouldn't refer to people as "Cuban" or "Mexican" or "Guatemalan" because those are all imposed by colonialism too.
i dont really see why
In any case, this is a debate that has been going on for decades
yes
and I think it's kind of ridiculous to call out the LA Times as being complicit in some kind of cultural genocide for using the prevailing term, a term that seems to have been arrived at for the moment as the result of an ongoing debate and not just imposed by some racists.
yeah i mean i guess but i also dont feel all that compelled to condemn her for her at-the-time private resignation letter. i mean she made her views clear, she quit, the la times still calls people latino. she lost, im not gonna kick her while shes on the ground.
― max, Friday, 11 January 2013 19:03 (eleven years ago) link
and not just imposed by some racists.
Like I am not trying to spin something out of control here but people keep walking right into it? Isn't it unavoidably the case that everything w/r/t race is imposed by some racists because the winners have mostly always gotten to set the terms?
― grossly incorrect register (in orbit), Friday, 11 January 2013 19:03 (eleven years ago) link
i am kind of with in orbit and max here, i kind of feel like all the objections reinforce her points; plus, sidequestion--this is her letter of resignation? was this meant to be published or did she just send it to them and they made the call to publish this (w/her consent presumably)(probably already covered here, i'm just fuzzy w/ the detail of this partic incident)
also calling this "Cultural genocide" didnt originate with her did it? that seems to be one of the things zachlyon kind of brought up...?
― gullible lochinski (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 11 January 2013 19:04 (eleven years ago) link
ok max p much got to every single one of my points nm
like just as you feel it ridiculous for her to call out the la times i feel it a little ridiculous for a bunch of guys on a message board to feel the need to go out of their collective way to call her out for something thats 10 years old, that she likely doesnt support anymore, that has literally no bearing on their lives or conduct
― max, Friday, 11 January 2013 19:05 (eleven years ago) link
― says a future man to his crystal son (reddening), Friday, January 11, 2013 1:01 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I wonder if her agent told her to take down this tweet:
Alisa Valdes @MizAlisaTo those of you asking about the disappearance of yesterday's blog post: I was asked to take it down by my publisher, and did. The end.
― REBEL YELL FOR HUGS (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 11 January 2013 19:05 (eleven years ago) link
if we cant call people out for stuff that has no bearing on our lives or conduct we might as well just go home
― lag∞n, Friday, 11 January 2013 19:06 (eleven years ago) link
;_;
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 11 January 2013 19:08 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.latina.com/entertainment/tv/author-alisa-valdes-rodriguez-im-sick-seeing-latinas-powerless-sluts
― REBEL YELL FOR HUGS (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 11 January 2013 19:12 (eleven years ago) link
LOL
― Mordy, Friday, 11 January 2013 19:13 (eleven years ago) link
that's an amazing URL
― Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Friday, 11 January 2013 19:14 (eleven years ago) link
is there a personality type where people are addicted to conflict? i'm not trying to be funny here, is there a name for that kind of thing?
― goole, Friday, 11 January 2013 19:16 (eleven years ago) link
If we could harness this thread, it could provide enough energy to light 40,000 homes, and thereby generate irony in quantities too large to measure.
― Aimless, Friday, 11 January 2013 19:16 (eleven years ago) link
and yes the cultural genocide of using the term 'latina' seems to have become less of an acute problem now
― goole, Friday, 11 January 2013 19:17 (eleven years ago) link
― goole, Friday, January 11, 2013 2:16 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
iirc that applies to borderline personality disorder
― lag∞n, Friday, 11 January 2013 19:18 (eleven years ago) link
the agent thing is funny if true
according to someone on Twitter who contacted her
redding, do you have a link to this someone?
― REBEL YELL FOR HUGS (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 11 January 2013 19:19 (eleven years ago) link
there was a line in the new episode of Justified - 'You run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. You run into assholes all day, you're the asshole.'
all the drama seems v exhausting
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 11 January 2013 19:23 (eleven years ago) link
americans!
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Friday, 11 January 2013 19:24 (eleven years ago) link
ilxors
― Mordy, Friday, 11 January 2013 19:24 (eleven years ago) link
russians!
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Friday, 11 January 2013 19:25 (eleven years ago) link
latinos
― lag∞n, Friday, 11 January 2013 19:25 (eleven years ago) link
Certainly not the French! Wocka wocka
― sleepingbag, Friday, 11 January 2013 19:26 (eleven years ago) link
ultimate fighting
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 11 January 2013 19:26 (eleven years ago) link
humans
― let's go do some crimes (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, 11 January 2013 19:26 (eleven years ago) link
hummus
― lag∞n, Friday, 11 January 2013 19:27 (eleven years ago) link
http://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/2006/1101061225_400.jpg
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Friday, 11 January 2013 19:27 (eleven years ago) link
HEY
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 11 January 2013 19:28 (eleven years ago) link
Re: agent thing, it was the author of this salon article:
http://www.salon.com/2013/01/11/alisa_valdes_anti_feminist_romance_not_so_romantic/
― says a future man to his crystal son (reddening), Friday, 11 January 2013 19:34 (eleven years ago) link
http://missalisasplace.com/2012/12/24/alisa-responds-to-the-ny-posts-hatchet-job-on-her-memoir/
I think Valdez would be better off is she stopped publishing these tweets and blog posts before she deletes them.
cached
For instance, the Post piece claims that in my memoir I offer “lessons for women” about how to live their lives. I do not. In fact, I am very careful in the book to state the following, in anticipation of exactly this kind of criticism:
I don’t intend for this book to be anything but my own life story and my own personal observations and change. I’m not writing handbook. It’s more of a diary. (page 104)
The piece also says that I give women advice to allow alpha men to cheat — a total fabrication that has unfortunately been echoed already on the website Jezebel, which did what blogs often do best, running a nasty piece that just copied the newspaper piece whilst adding, you know, curse words.
Which reminds me of
What I mean by this is that while I set out to write a memoir that was a love letter to a man I was deeply in love with, a man who challenged me in myriad ways, a man who changed my life profoundly, a man I respected and honored greatly at the time, what I actually wrote was a handbook for women on how to fall in love with a manipulative, controlling, abusive narcissist.
tbf, the post is a horrible rag and I stand in solidarity with Valdez on the fact that they are a bag of dicks
― REBEL YELL FOR HUGS (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 11 January 2013 19:47 (eleven years ago) link
thanks for the link, redding
― REBEL YELL FOR HUGS (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 11 January 2013 19:48 (eleven years ago) link
If you think this is true, I suggest you try asking random Mexican people if they are Mayan. See how that goes for you.
― drunk 'n' white's elements of style (Hurting 2), Friday, 11 January 2013 20:15 (eleven years ago) link
Anyone tried this yet?
― REBEL YELL FOR HUGS (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 11 January 2013 20:23 (eleven years ago) link
lol it had been 8 minutes, give ppl some time
― Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Friday, 11 January 2013 20:24 (eleven years ago) link
Even better is to do something like, say, go up to someone from Sonora and say "So you're from Zacatecas, right?"
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 11 January 2013 20:26 (eleven years ago) link
Go to someone from, I dunno, Chiapas or Oaxaca and say "You all do mariachi music down there, yeah?"
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 11 January 2013 20:27 (eleven years ago) link
'i'm an aztec, motherfucker'
― mookieproof, Friday, 11 January 2013 20:27 (eleven years ago) link
No results found for "i'm taino btw".
― velko, Friday, 11 January 2013 20:30 (eleven years ago) link
all I'm saying is that a lot of people of mixed euro/indian descent do not identify as "native american" and would not be "okay" with being labeled native american.
― drunk 'n' white's elements of style (Hurting 2), Friday, 11 January 2013 20:35 (eleven years ago) link
The Aristotelian penchant for categorization and sub-categorization always breaks down at some point before reaching a satisfactory system of division.
― Aimless, Friday, 11 January 2013 20:48 (eleven years ago) link
you know what i can't stand around here? people not naming names.
― goole, Friday, January 11, 2013 12:14 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol okay it was Mordy and Aimless i was mad at after reading the first half of this thread. i don't know if i'm one of the ilx posters Mordy was referring to, but i am def self-righteous and likely bask in the pieties he was referring to as well.
― horseshoe, Friday, 11 January 2013 20:49 (eleven years ago) link
i would agree w/ horseshoe's self-assessment there
― Mordy, Friday, 11 January 2013 20:54 (eleven years ago) link