Literary Clusterfucks 2013

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"seems plausible I guess" = the sugar-coating part xpost, I wasn't commenting on the story in the blog

drunk 'n' white's elements of style (Hurting 2), Thursday, 10 January 2013 17:04 (eleven years ago) link

O_O jesus

Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Thursday, 10 January 2013 17:08 (eleven years ago) link

I wish ppl would stop using "feel badly."

grossly incorrect register (in orbit), Thursday, 10 January 2013 17:09 (eleven years ago) link

She's on the air right now!

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Alisa Valdes Alisa Valdes ‏@MizAlisa

About to go live on the radio with Amy Oliver on 1310 KFKA in CO to talk about #feministandcowboy. @gothambooks http://ow.ly/gHCCF

Alisa Valdes ‏@MizAlisa

Listen in! I'm on live. http://ow.ly/gHEeG

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 January 2013 17:12 (eleven years ago) link

Seems to be talking about language issues right now.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 January 2013 17:13 (eleven years ago) link

I can see why that post was taken down; actually putting up a video of the dude along with naming and shaming the agent at the publisher seem conducive to getting your ass sued

also I hate myself for this but her idea of physical perfection is a Gelfling cowboy?

Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Thursday, 10 January 2013 17:14 (eleven years ago) link

I wish ppl would stop using "feel badly."

― grossly incorrect register (in orbit), Thursday, January 10, 2013 11:09 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

unless they have a congenital insensitivity to pain

REBEL YELL FOR HUGS (Austerity Ponies), Thursday, 10 January 2013 17:14 (eleven years ago) link

Natch.

grossly incorrect register (in orbit), Thursday, 10 January 2013 17:25 (eleven years ago) link

her publisher should probably just pulp the books at this point tbh

autistic boy is surprisingly good at basketball (silby), Thursday, 10 January 2013 17:31 (eleven years ago) link

The radio interview is annoying but I think it's the interviewer's doing.

grossly incorrect register (in orbit), Thursday, 10 January 2013 17:32 (eleven years ago) link

did the deleted post come up at all?? crazy if not

goole, Thursday, 10 January 2013 17:32 (eleven years ago) link

Nothing yet, but the interview is continuing.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 January 2013 17:33 (eleven years ago) link

So far they've agreed that cowboys are hot and alpha-male behavior is understandably attractive to women because evolution. So this is definitely a good use of my time.

grossly incorrect register (in orbit), Thursday, 10 January 2013 17:36 (eleven years ago) link

so she basically had a 24-hour window of saying her book was a lie and her cowboy was a rapist? wtf is going on here

goole, Thursday, 10 January 2013 17:40 (eleven years ago) link

Oh okay now she's saying her new boyfriend wrote the cowboy a thank-you letter for having tamed the shrew. Verbatim, btw. We're done here.

grossly incorrect register (in orbit), Thursday, 10 January 2013 17:40 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah this is VERY weird. What the hell.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 January 2013 17:42 (eleven years ago) link

Ugh. The most dispiriting thing about this is she's confused fuck-worthy with actually interesting for a relationship. Not only does she paint him as immensely unattractive (to me) in her deleted blog post but I immediately shy away from women who tend to be attracted to brutes as they invariably tend to be tedious. If you're attracted to assholes, fine, but don't expect me to listen to you complain that they're assholes later.

Canaille help you (Michael White), Thursday, 10 January 2013 17:43 (eleven years ago) link

WTFFFFFFFFFF?

emil.y, Thursday, 10 January 2013 17:43 (eleven years ago) link

This is all very, very weird to me.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 January 2013 17:52 (eleven years ago) link

ned, how did you run into this initially?

goole, Thursday, 10 January 2013 17:53 (eleven years ago) link

So far they've agreed that cowboys are hot and alpha-male behavior is understandably attractive to women because evolution. So this is definitely a good use of my time.

― grossly incorrect register (in orbit), Thursday, 10 January 2013 17:36 (17 minutes ago) Permalink

lol

drunk 'n' white's elements of style (Hurting 2), Thursday, 10 January 2013 17:55 (eleven years ago) link

Oh okay now she's saying her new boyfriend wrote the cowboy a thank-you letter for having tamed the shrew. Verbatim, btw. We're done here.

― grossly incorrect register (in orbit), Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:40 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah this was on her blog as well

drunk 'n' white's elements of style (Hurting 2), Thursday, 10 January 2013 17:56 (eleven years ago) link

Rod Dreher. He had just posted earlier in the day yesterday on the Rosin review, and then he noticed or was forwarded the blogpost.

Setting aside other things, his take on it -- as he has a book due for release soon, a memoir of his sister -- was this:

To be fair, what would you do if, between the time your book was finished and it was published, its whole raison d’etre collapsed? You’d pay the advance back, is one thing. Surely, though, the publisher must have grasped that this story, and the storyteller, were both extremely unstable. What is Valdes supposed to have done? If it’s true the editor and publisher stonewalled her, then that seems to have been a really bad idea. Boy, I can’t wait till the real story comes out. What a mess.

Valdes is right about the long lead time between turning in a manuscript and the book coming out. The MS for The Little Way Of Ruthie Leming locked sometime in September, but was essentially finished in August. The book won’t come out till early April — and it’s not because everyone at the publisher’s is sitting on their hands waiting. These things take time. What happened with The Feminist And the Cowboy is a nightmare for everybody — but it sounds like it ought not to have been a big surprise, given the characters involved.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 January 2013 17:56 (eleven years ago) link

(Responding to Goole's question.)

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 January 2013 17:57 (eleven years ago) link

huh, thx

goole, Thursday, 10 January 2013 17:59 (eleven years ago) link

"Try my delicious chocolate cakes!"
*blogs* "THE CAKES ARE ACTUALLY MADE OUT OF SHIT!!!"
*erases blog post*
*goes on radio*
"Yes they're so rich and moist"

drunk 'n' white's elements of style (Hurting 2), Thursday, 10 January 2013 18:00 (eleven years ago) link

Slate, with the embarrassing title, "Ride 'Em Cowboy!"

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/books/2013/01/alisa_valdes_the_feminist_and_the_cowboy_reviewed.html

First line: "Every era’s liberated woman gets the good fuck she deserves."

REBEL YELL FOR HUGS (Austerity Ponies), Thursday, 10 January 2013 18:18 (eleven years ago) link

That interviewer was just a terrible speaker and story-teller, she could barely think of a coherent idea to put into words, I don't think any one sentence finished the way it began. This is who gets a radio show?? In Colorado, I guess?

grossly incorrect register (in orbit), Thursday, 10 January 2013 18:22 (eleven years ago) link

Oh okay now she's saying her new boyfriend wrote the cowboy a thank-you letter for having tamed the shrew. Verbatim, btw. We're done here.

I'm trying to be kind -- maybe she really needs the money from the book so is doing her best to sell it, but her comment is making me want to vomit.

Solange and thanks for all the fish (Nicole), Thursday, 10 January 2013 18:23 (eleven years ago) link

The verbal instructions the cowboy gives Valdes once she agrees to submit to him are a guide to daily living. No back-talking; no second-guessing; no sarcastic, smart-ass remarks. She must never exit the car unless he opens the door for her. She must never walk on the street side of the sidewalk. In one especially creepy scene, Valdes has just overheard another woman leave a voicemail for the cowboy saying she wishes he were joining her in the shower. The cowboy lies about the voicemail, and Valdes knows he is lying. But then she remembers some article she read saying that women were “biologically programmed” to find cheating men more attractive. “I was hurt, sad, and turned on.” He unbuckles his belt, and she throws her arms around his neck. “Biology,” she writes with a shrug.

REBEL YELL FOR HUGS (Austerity Ponies), Thursday, 10 January 2013 18:24 (eleven years ago) link

I'm trying to be kind -- maybe she really needs the money from the book so is doing her best to sell it, but her comment is making me want to vomit.

― Solange and thanks for all the fish (Nicole), Thursday, January 10, 2013 1:23 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I kind of feel like she has a moral responsibility, at very least, to NOT promote this book assuming the erased blog post is true, whether or not she needs the money

drunk 'n' white's elements of style (Hurting 2), Thursday, 10 January 2013 18:27 (eleven years ago) link

http://www.guiltypleasuresbookreviews.com/2013/01/arc-review-the-feminist-and-the-cowboy-an-unlikely-love-story-by-alisa-valdes-rodriguez.html

The Feminist and The Cowboy is a wild ride through a time that I both remember and, am happy to admit, I was never truly involved in. Yes, I believe in woman’s rights, I even tell my husband that I didn’t need him before and I don’t need him now, but, I WANT him in my life. There’s a difference. I love when he opens the door for me, when he offers to help with the housework, when he cooks dinner. I think it sets a wonderful example for our sons to see that Dad isn’t just sitting around expecting to be waited on hand and foot and is willing to be “there” for me. And, also for my sons to see that I am still an independent woman that does not always depend on the “man” for everything in my life. It took a lot of convincing on the part of “The Cowboy” to get Alisa to see that for herself.

So, yes, I enjoyed the book. It was nice reliving those days when the name “Gloria Steinem” put fear into the eyes of men and when woman stood up for what they believed in. But, I would never have gone to the extremes that Ms. Valdez did. Now, I know that most of you are too young to remember or even know about the woman’s movement but you can thank people like Alisa for opening a lot of doors for us today. This book was refreshing, witty and a fun read. It was written with a little bit of humor (her description of her dates were hysterical) and lots of deep, inner thoughts. I give her a lot of credit for admitting to her faults, for seeing herself for how she was, for finally submitting to “The Cowboy” and giving herself up to him and be willing to change for “love” even if all that she ever knew was being threatened. I wish Alisa and “The Cowboy” many happy and fulfilling years together and honestly hope that they both get their Happily Ever After. God knows that “The Cowboy” deserves it and Alisa has earned it.

REBEL YELL FOR HUGS (Austerity Ponies), Thursday, 10 January 2013 18:31 (eleven years ago) link

@MizAlisa

Did you miss my radio interview with Amy Oliver this morning? No worries. Here's the podcast! I had such fun. Cool lady....

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 January 2013 18:33 (eleven years ago) link

“An irresistible, post-feminist Taming of the Shrew. Don’t be scared by the premise. This is not a story about a woman relinquishing her identity. Quite the opposite. It is a riveting tale about how a brilliant, strong-minded woman liberated herself from a dreary, male-bashing, reality-denying feminism.”
—Christina Hoff Sommers, author of The War Against Boys; How Misguided Feminism is Harming Our Young Men

“This is a real-life romance novel, as they are truly written, where a handsome, but flawed hero enhances the life of a woman battling her own demons. He doesn't save her. She doesn't change him… The book is insightful, sassy, sarcastic, intelligent, emotional and will challenge the preconceived concepts about conservatives and liberals and everyone in between.”
–Julie Leto, New York Times bestselling author

“Valdes has written a thought-provoking exploration of her own missteps and the tremendous obstacles she has overcome to achieve happiness in the second half of her life.”
—Publishers Weekly

REBEL YELL FOR HUGS (Austerity Ponies), Thursday, 10 January 2013 18:34 (eleven years ago) link

Such fun. xp

Solange and thanks for all the fish (Nicole), Thursday, 10 January 2013 18:34 (eleven years ago) link

Valdes talked glancingly about those rules in the interview but edited/elided to make them seem reasonable: instead of "never exit the car" it was, "let him open my door when we're in his home area, because in that environment it's a sign of respect." It seems to me like she's still editing the story of her experiences for each audience to get them on board, and I wonder how much of the story she's willing to admit and stand by, even to herself.

Sometimes it's too soon to look clearly on how wrong you were and how hurt you got, I can grok that, but I wish she wasn't doing it/didn't have to do it in public.

grossly incorrect register (in orbit), Thursday, 10 January 2013 18:36 (eleven years ago) link

We have an answer:

Alisa Valdes ‏@MizAlisa

To those of you asking about the disappearance of yesterday's blog post: I was asked to take it down by my publisher, and did. The end.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 January 2013 18:37 (eleven years ago) link

jesus

goole, Thursday, 10 January 2013 18:42 (eleven years ago) link

oh man I hope there isn't a tragic libel suit in the near future

gullible lochinski (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 10 January 2013 18:43 (eleven years ago) link

This is some bleak shit

fueled by satanism, violence, and sodomy (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 10 January 2013 18:44 (eleven years ago) link

fucking shit

autistic boy is surprisingly good at basketball (silby), Thursday, 10 January 2013 18:45 (eleven years ago) link

fucking rapist-enabling patriarchal bullshit

autistic boy is surprisingly good at basketball (silby), Thursday, 10 January 2013 18:46 (eleven years ago) link

Alisa Valdes ‏@MizAlisa
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just1n3, Thursday, 10 January 2013 18:46 (eleven years ago) link

It is a riveting tale about how a brilliant, strong-minded woman liberated herself from a dreary, male-bashing, reality-denying feminism.

REBEL YELL FOR HUGS (Austerity Ponies), Thursday, 10 January 2013 18:50 (eleven years ago) link

alpha publisher

sug life (rogermexico.), Thursday, 10 January 2013 19:02 (eleven years ago) link

this whole thing is horrifying

Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Thursday, 10 January 2013 19:02 (eleven years ago) link

Jezebel should pick this up. They ran a story on her last month.

jim, Thursday, 10 January 2013 19:10 (eleven years ago) link

But Valdes is a scold: She pauses the story for extended explanations of just how little fun those of us who are not sleeping with cowboys are having. Feminism has ruined us all. In denying biology, it has thrown men into crisis. As her friend tells her, “They want to be men, but hate themselves for wanting to be men, so they push it all down and act like freakin’ Prince,”

uh

j., Thursday, 10 January 2013 19:12 (eleven years ago) link

Prince is the ultimate dude IMO, like how much pure swagger must you have to flaunt high heels and cover yourself in lace and still get women to fall all over themselves for you?

Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Thursday, 10 January 2013 19:13 (eleven years ago) link

I wish more men acted like Prince, tbh.

Solange and thanks for all the fish (Nicole), Thursday, 10 January 2013 19:14 (eleven years ago) link


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