Finally Rich - Chief Keef

j0rdan thinks The Source's "hip hop quotable of the month" used to be like 'you can find me in da club/ bottle full of bub'

too many encores, what makes a good lyricist?

there's no single yardstick - certainly not in rap, which did more to stretch the parameters of how to write well within a genre than any single genre ever has imo - as many styles as there are good writers. that said, solid rhymes are nice, being comfortable with meter but able to move freely within in it is great (this is imo where corny dudes do indeed go crazy for Nas, whose old stuff really did scan like he meant for it to be printed and studied), unexpected similies/metaphors/comparisons that jump out but not too harshly are good. vivid imagery that points to a vision uniquely belonging to the lyricist, one that's identifiably in a voice so that if somebody else covered it you might still be able to say "that sounds like a Chief Keef lyric." (I don't think anyone will ever say that.)

I mean there's no end to what makes a good lyricist, it's an endless craft.

j0rdan thinks The Source's "hip hop quotable of the month" used to be like 'you can find me in da club/ bottle full of bub'

― ThePartyHater (some dude), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 7:49 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

i've spent more time than arguably anyone in the history of ilm transcribing lyrics to this message board, but that doesn't mean that all lyrics have to function the same way

so what's the line from a chief keef VERSE that people everywhere are quoting

J0rdan will you own that I am not claiming anywhere that all lyrics have to function in the same way because that is not my deal like at all and I take offense, sir, at the accusation as I perceive it

good thread. interesting to see the conservative view move/adjust/reject.

it's so I can see if you can actually cite any good lyrics by this guy you rep. you can't, because he is a shitty rapper and terrible lyricist.

you judge poets in the same way, aero? ask b/c I know you are a fan, just wonder if you hold them up to that same test.

you're asking if avid poetry readers can cite passages by their favorite poets that they consider exemplary?

J0rdan will you own that I am not claiming anywhere that all lyrics have to function in the same way because that is not my deal like at all and I take offense, sir, at the accusation as I perceive it

― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 7:55 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

okay. i do think your parameters as they pertain to keef are very rigid.

underrated poets i have found exemplary

good rap lyrics are lyrics that sound good when the rapper who wrote it raps it. Gets bonus points if style is original.

depends on the style of poetry - classic metrical poets for sure, if no phrases stick at all then wtf kind of poet is that? whatever you want to call poetry since the rise of unmetered verse/open forms/whatever, very different class of stuff, I can't quote many/any? lines from my favorite novels probably except Absalom, Absalom! but that doesn't mean it didn't leave a huge impression, it's just less about lines & phrases than the big effect. a lot of my trouble with open forms in poetry has to do with this though, long boring talk to be had by me there any old time so stop on by

well yeah i didn't think we were talking about MEMORIZING -- obviously that's much easier to do w/ music than printed verse

this is getting pretty silly. dude is making music - some people like it, some people think it is garbage, nobody has nice things to say about those making the opposite case.

wait that gif is from 2010? how can that be? deej told me waka's charisma is a sudden 2012 invention! (xpost)

― ThePartyHater (some dude), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 6:41 PM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i would say that ppl coming around on him being charismatic as a person are based more upon his irl antics than his personality in his music, which is pretty gruff & aggro

ILX rarely has nice things to say about people making the same case, why would you expect otherwise for the opposite

also it was originally JOYOUS and charismatic & there is seriously nothing JOYOUS about flockaveli imo

so j0rdan and rev's posts about being entertaining by waka's performance in a video in 2009 are what? an aberration?

yes because he at one time was being entertaining, that means that flockaveli is full of joyous charisma

there is seriously nothing joyous about YEAHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh IT'S A PARTY IT'S A PARTY IT'S A PARTY

http://smokenmirrorsblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/waka_relaxxxin.gif

the original thread WAKA and your own thread get drunk & listen to waka flocka flame sure do fail to capture the grim reality of that album huh

jesus christ dude i dont even fucking remember the original context where i'm disagreeing w/ joyous charisma but when you turn any nuanced discussion into a one-dimensional strawman argument that is impossible for you to lose it's super annoying

like, yes, OBVIOUSLY flockaveli has party songs, if i remember we were talking about flockaveli relative to 'finally rich' & i was arguing that there's no way you could argue the latter was any more 'grim' or 'joyless' than the former

this is getting pretty silly

how dare you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Di5h_PpyJ0

the original context is THIS THREAD, i'm not diggin in the crates dog

this 1000+ multi-day thread?

100+ post

argh 1000+ post, multi-day thread

i realize there's no easy to search uncommon words like "waka" that you could check for

me not doing that is to show how little i give a fuck about your pedant argument

"bingo" is such an awesome song btw

totally

one-dimensional strawman arguments, that's that ship I don't like

i wasn't always so one-dimensional, but then i got media savvy and realized it made for good gifs

a reference so deep it will probably become a board description

tbf your og flockaveli review harped on about how he was an "unrepentant street-rap hardhead" with a "grizzled bark" so at least you're consistently out of step with how virtually every other fan of that record hears it

fwiw one of those terms was changed in editing

the latter, to be specific

its a lil breihanic, no shots, for me

grizzly bark - wakatimest

not sure what was wrong abt the former statement, tho

noz currently going ham on twitter about this/bdot/etc.

noz is of course otm

does seem like something broke inside him recently tho... his tweets have been even more acidic than usual

can i just

(my sister had this album, the beats were good & the synths chilly, the rapping always sounded kinda...y'know..."the pyramids are oh so shiny" wtf are you talking about egyptian lover)

― J0hn D., Thursday, September 20, 2007 8:34 AM Bookmark

below that

yes, i am a party rockist, i prefer to go to a place where people are, you know, having fun to fun music

― deej, Thursday, September 20, 2007 11:34 AM (5 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

d33j to blame for LMFAO

How is this not joyous and charismatic?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OpjWLPDNRw

I mean... it's about as joyous and charismatic as it gets considering that Waka murders several people in the video.

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just realized trinidad james is the second best rapper in 2012 w his memorable line 'popped a molly im sweatin woo!'