Finally Rich - Chief Keef

he's not really more radical than wayne/gucci/future but he's in the conversation... and those three have huge cults of personality surrounding them. wayne esp

maybe insular rather than introverted?

― hemioblock (The Reverend), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 10:15 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah - something something something subjectivity

how is "love sosa" more experimental or that different from any given garbled future space ballad

― lex pretend, Tuesday, January 8, 2013 5:03 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark

well for one during the verses there's an entire layer of vocals that's just a continuous stream of ad-libs as if there's a bunch of disembodied keef heads floating around whispering at each other

https://twitter.com/bdotTM/status/288735106271674368

hey cool, me too! wait a second...

lmao @ "there's been a lot of race baiting"

maybe insular rather than introverted?

― hemioblock (The Reverend), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 10:15 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah - something something something subjectivity

― future kendricks (longneck), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 10:20 PM (0 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It's close to what people (me included) have used to refer to by "blankness" but not quite. Gucci, Wayne, Future and even Waka all have pretty elaborate selves that can do things and be things. Keef just isn't there in a way. I think that's where he departs from his (short) "tradition". What Jordan is referring to above as "a bunch of disembodied keef heads floating around whispering to each other" is kinda what I'm after.

you mean "race bating"

'bating

who is master bating?

go 'way, batin

Woah guys! Thanks had a long day of airports/air travel, got me through

Only thing I'll add is Molly Hatchett is NOT metal, they are southern rock, lots of ppl get that twisted because of the album art

It's close to what people (me included) have used to refer to by "blankness" but not quite. Gucci, Wayne, Future and even Waka all have pretty elaborate selves that can do things and be things. Keef just isn't there in a way. I think that's where he departs from his (short) "tradition". What Jordan is referring to above as "a bunch of disembodied keef heads floating around whispering to each other" is kinda what I'm after.

― future kendricks (longneck), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:25 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i dont really get this at all. Future is way more 'blank' or less 'present' as a personality in his music than keef is to me

lmao

I feel like there is a Speed-style scenario going on here that we aren't privy to, like some Dennis Hopper-ish figure is pointing a gun at deej's head and forcing him to paint Chief Keef as the most thrilling, distinctive, talented and multi-faceted artist of his generation every (x) minutes or he'll pull the trigger

Nah Future just about manages to put across a sense of yearning with his melodic autotune mumbles. keef is dead eyed and monotone.

Again: We're not talking about the same thing, deej. Future can say/sing/rap "I'm looking for her" - but that's something it's hard to imagine Keef saying. There's a very different sense of subjectivity in his stuff.

well for one during the verses there's an entire layer of vocals that's just a continuous stream of ad-libs as if there's a bunch of disembodied keef heads floating around whispering at each other

― J0rdan S., Tuesday, January 8, 2013 5:21 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i have absolutely no idea how this is different from how dozens of other rappers use ad libs/backup vocals

get thee to a pete rock and cl smooth album

i have absolutely no idea how this is different from how dozens of other rappers use ad libs/backup vocals

lil jon yelled iirc

Ca$h Out doesn't dub his ad-libs in he just has a parrot on his shoulder that repeats everything he says

haha Ca$h Out's "guy outside the vocal booth yelling encouragement" ad libs are hilarious

Again: We're not talking about the same thing, deej. Future can say/sing/rap "I'm looking for her" - but that's something it's hard to imagine Keef saying. There's a very different sense of subjectivity in his stuff.

― future kendricks (longneck), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:42 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

wtf is a 'sense of subjectivity'

it would be funny if there was some other guy named Sosa that all of Keef's songs were written in praise of

*Alejandro Sosa blushes*

can somebody post their top 10 rhymes from "Finally Rich" please

chief keef and kaiser sosa

so you can compare it to 'deep' lyrically-oriented rap & scoff? no thanks

his lyrics are GOOD just not 'lyrical'

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz3m51W3QB1r861j5o1_500.jpg

his lyrics are GOOD just not 'lyrical'

Let's just ponder this statement for a while

Kind if wasn't expecting anyone to go for the "he's the Bernard Sumner of hip-hop" argument

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIcNgjqtO8Y

his lyrics perform a function. unfortunately it's not a very worthwhile or interesting function.

or fun even

I figured Sosa was a Sammy Sosa thing?

you guys are making age old rockist arguments just fyi

Perhaps we are if you didn't actually understand the age-old rockiest argument

"Rock music is superior to rap because the lyrics MEAN SOMETHING" is a rockist argument. "This dude has terrible lyrics in a genre driven by lyrics" is not a rockist argument.

Deej: it's about how they communicate what the experience of being them is like. Gucci, Future and Waka are way more conversational than Keef - they invite you to take part in their eccentricities in a way that Keef does not. Gucci is a pretty menacing type but he's still very much communicating/joking with the listener. It's unstable but the link is established. As for Future, you could sing/rap his songs to people and they would feel like you were trying to tell them something. Waka can be antisocial but he still invites you to partake in his emotions. Keef is... insular. I don't get the feeling that he's sharing or having a conversation or even looking at the "you" he's referring to in his lyrics. And I think that's partly why he can scare people. He's not TELLING us that he doesn't care. He just doesn't care. Or that's the impression I get anyway.

"This dude has terrible lyrics in a genre driven by lyrics" is not a rockist argument.

I think deej is ceding that rap is no longer driven by lyrics tbh

i am not ceding that nor do i think he has 'terrible' lyrics

you seem way more invested in narrative than lyrical prowess afaict

i also dont think longneck's description of his lyrics are true either--keef's shit is full of humor. i mean fuckin 'laughin to the bank' is the ultimate example. but 'i gets lots of commas, i can fuck your mama' is a funny lyric. calling himself & ballout the 'bang brothers' is a funny lyric.

people source 'lyrical prowess' in the wrong places

Does rap need to be "driven by lyrics"?

i gets lots of commas, i can fuck your mama' is a funny lyric

come on now

I haven't heard this, it kinda feels like when I used to read gawker recaps instead of actually watching jersey shore or real housewives

You can accuse me of making a conservative argument and I'd say "yup, guilty as charged" but it's not rockist

this thread has become explaining to shakey mo why your mama jokes are funny i want no part

As for Future, you could sing/rap his songs to people and they would feel like you were trying to tell them something.

is he lassie?

I am not describing his lyrics btw. I can definitely see the humour. But it's a new style.