Finally Rich - Chief Keef

i think within the scope of 2012 rap, which is a pretty broad tent, it's not THAT varied. i mean, he found one of the biggest sonic outliers on the album by searching for "Finally Rich type beats" on the internet. xp

this is like when deej got in that huge fight about the wild difference between "soooober" and "soooosa" like it was "Back in the USSR" vs "Revolyution no. 9" on the White Album

that huge fight you made up?

you need zero context to listen to an album's worth of music by an artist in any genre and say whether the tracks sound similar. you, for example, could listen to a Heinous Killings album as say "you know, all this shit sounds the same" and you'd be otm (I like Heinous Killings btw, "all the songs sound the same" isn't necessarily a knock in all cases as far as I'm concerned ) and then listen to Havohej's Kembatinan Premaster and say "well this is all pretty relentless but there's definitely sonic variation from track to track that seems headed somewhere" - you could do this despite this being almost surely the first time you've heard either band mentioned. there can be variation within a small field, as djp notes. but the only real barrier for discussion is whether a person has listened to music - an honest listener shouldn't need some "recent rap" skill set to decode whether one track sounds different from another.

― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 3:15 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

all metal sounds the same cookie monster vocals and screeching guitars

i mean, he found one of the biggest sonic outliers on the album by searching for "Finally Rich type beats" on the internet. xp

― ThePartyHater (some dude), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:15 PM (7 seconds ago) Bookmark

idk "citgo" is in the same vein as "ballin" and "kaykay" which are a few of the album's oldest songs

those three songs all sound pretty different, in mood, in effect. "ballin" and "kaykay" are closer, tho still pretty distinct to anyone w/ a passing understanding of hip hop

T.I. and Wiz and A$AP and Ross and 2 Chainz made recent albums that each reflect a much larger variety of production styles or lyrical influences -- i'm not saying that makes them better albums, in fact it directly contributed to some of them being much worse

all metal sounds the same cookie monster vocals and screeching guitars

― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:17 PM (44 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

youre not wrong and I still like it

that huge fight you made up?

― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:17 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it was on ilx idk

i would argue that 2 chainz album is probably more same-y in sound overall

2 SAAAAAAAMEEEEEE

i COULD listen to Heinous Killings and be like "hmmm this shit all sounds the same" but i wouldn't expect for my opinion to be taken seriously at all

in fact this is explicitly why i've never written about metal in my entire life

shit sounding the same is not inherently a problem. shit sounding like shit is a problem.

there's a fake ratchet song on the 2 chainz and the weird Rubin rip with the eddie van halen scratch solo and the Kanye song with key changes, come on man, you sound like an idiot right now

all metal sounds the same cookie monster vocals and screeching guitars

lol this is the last refuge of the man with no argument - "you're saying all rap sounds the same!" no man I'm pretty sure I was listening to rap beginning in '84, what I'm saying this guy sucks.

^^^

j0rdan can we do a j0rdan listening club metal edition pleeeeease. we can start with a molly hatchet album!

there's a fake ratchet song on the 2 chainz and the weird Rubin rip with the eddie van halen scratch solo and the Kanye song with key changes, come on man, you sound like an idiot right now

― so far, so good... solange! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:22 PM (27 seconds ago) Bookmark

lol @ this

lol this is the last refuge of the man with no argument - "you're saying all rap sounds the same!" no man I'm pretty sure I was listening to rap beginning in '84, what I'm saying this guy sucks.

― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 3:22 PM (7 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol wtf. the reason i said that was to pt out how absurd your argument was

don't think anyone here is specifically knocking Keef for the uniformity of the album's sound

i love the keef album but you're as fucking delusional as a nas stan if you dont think the whole thing sounds the same

yeah play kaykay next to diamonds, cant tell them apart!

you are not getting me to listen to this bullshit again that easily

one thing i will say is the drunken vampire voice songs like "love sosa" definitely sound a bit different from the ones where he has a fairly normal american teenager voice

the songs "sound the same' in only the most facile sense

I do love it when internet rap dudes take criticism of an artist they like as an opportunity to say somebody's assailing rap. the most cowardly grade-school defense imaginable. the subject is chief keef and how his album is a bunch of garbage by a guy who I, literally me, the middle-aged white guy talking to you, could decimate in a battle, because I could rap much better than him and I can't rap for shit. deej could beat keef in battle. whiney too. Tuomas would body Keef in 8 bars and drop the mic onto the icy Finnish stage, and mist would rise from the mic, and the mist would spell "HOW CAN ACTUAL RAP HEADS WITH CRED REP THIS HOT GARBAGE" in a small speech-bubble cloud briefly in the air before dissipating. That is the issue.

there's a fake ratchet song on the 2 chainz and the weird Rubin rip with the eddie van halen scratch solo and the Kanye song with key changes, come on man, you sound like an idiot right now

― so far, so good... solange! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 9:22 PM (29 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yes, but FR has 3Hunna which is 61 bpm instead of the usual 65-66.

listen i would say the same thing about Jeezy's The Recession and i LOVE that album. as i said, one man's cohesive/consistent is another man's monochromatic/repetitive. xp

(Actually, Got Them Bands is 82! (But it's a bonus track))

i guess i don't see why it matters if chief keef can battle rap

no, i think the recession sounds wayyy more samey (in a good way) than keef's album. Same with flockaveli

i just think that it doesnt really describe finally rich at all. the production is pretty wildly varied, as are his flows, delivery, etc

thats like a parody of a D-40 post

i mean one thing about j0rdan's review that drove me a little nuts is that it basically praised the album for sticking to the aesthetic of keef's mixtapes far more than it explained why sticking to those guns was preferable to pepsi-ready major label moves. i'm curious how many people who love Finally Rich were dutifully following Keef's mixtapes/youtubes for the last 6-12 months and how many were won over by the album without having heard much of his music before that.

think my disappointment w/ the album stems from the hype I had been hearing about laughing to the bank and when I put it on it literally was the same exaggerated laugh sound I make when I am imitating a TV villain

again -- finally rich sounds "samey" in a very broad context. very broad. but in the context from which it was birthed i think it's more inventive in various ways than a lot of albums.

haha yeah when i heard it i was like "this is just 50/Yayo's Straight To The Bank" xp

like chief keef literally sounds like vegeta from dragon ball z

haha yeah when i heard it i was like "this is just 50/Yayo's Straight To The Bank" xp

― ThePartyHater (some dude), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:31 PM (40 seconds ago) Bookmark

i love it but i was surprised how many ppl had apparently forgot about this song

like chief keef literally sounds like vegeta from dragon ball z

/thread

i keep this shit over nine thousand

again -- finally rich sounds "samey" in a very broad context. very broad. but in the context from which it was birthed i think it's more inventive in various ways than a lot of albums.

― J0rdan S., Tuesday, January 8, 2013 9:31 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It's way more varied than his mixtape was and in a good way. Somehow I can't see any great epiphanies arising from this debate on variation though.

yeah 'back from the dead' was WAY more 'samey' or consistent in that recession/flockaveli sense

yes

but in the context from which it was birthed i think it's more inventive in various ways than a lot of albums.

actual q - can you bear this out a little more? do you mean that the general atmosphere is pretty homogenous and by comparison Keef's record has more variety? it's essentially a non-issue, there's plenty of good rap albums where there's very little variety, variety isn't necessarily a good thing. the problem is when stuff sounds all the same and the rapping sucks real bad, then you're left thinking "if you must rap so terribly at least mix up the grooves a little"

of course the mixtape produced by one dude (i guess? dunno if it's all young chop) and only featuring other young chicago guys is going to sound more uniform than the major label album only half-produced by that one dude and featuring several stars with established styles

i mean if we're comparing Finally Rich solely to street rap mixtapes, yes, those tend to not be especially varied. i thought we were comparing them to other rap albums on the Billboard 200.

i keep this shit over nine thousand

― regarding an eccentric and non-existent American Gladiator (crüt), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:33 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lmao good ref

actual q - can you bear this out a little more? do you mean that the general atmosphere is pretty homogenous and by comparison Keef's record has more variety? it's essentially a non-issue, there's plenty of good rap albums where there's very little variety, variety isn't necessarily a good thing. the problem is when stuff sounds all the same and the rapping sucks real bad, then you're left thinking "if you must rap so terribly at least mix up the grooves a little"

― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:39 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

well yeah i think that compared to albums by 2 chainz or future or stretching back further waka or jeezy or soulja boy -- all artists that are direct influences on keef... a group which i think is limited -- that 'finally rich' is more experimental in a lot of places... be it in terms of song structure ("kay kay" or "citgo") or his vocals ("no tomorrow" or "love sosa" or "hate being sober") or the mixing. the beats don't sound "more different" than a lot of rap albums but then again as al pointed out that's not always a good thing in rap.

i think the way that keef thinks about music is similar to wayne & gucci... probably my two favorite rappers of the last 10 or so years. i highly doubt that he'll ever reach those levels, but both of those rappers were really playful with their music and in turn were pop in a unique and organic way.

think my disappointment w/ the album stems from the hype I had been hearing about laughing to the bank and when I put it on it literally was the same exaggerated laugh sound I make when I am imitating a TV villain

― 乒乓, Tuesday, January 8, 2013 1:30 PM Bookmark

last I checked all the hype around "Laughing to the Bank" was of the "I like this song cause Keef does an exaggerated TV villain laugh" variety

how is "love sosa" more experimental or that different from any given garbled future space ballad