xp dayo, it's only going to be magnified in the Ivy environment too, because those schools are crucibles for doctors/lawyers/bankers/professors/businessppl; the only ppl of color I know that don't fall into those buckets are either singers from musical families or come from super, super rich families and never had to worry about having a career that made money
― Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 14:57 (eleven years ago) link
come from super, super rich families and never had to worry about having a career that made money
haha these are like all the people I know from school and I always rmde a lil' when I see on my fb feed that one of them just signed w/ a 'literary agent' or w/e
of course I also rmde when I see that they went to law/business/med school
are there no honorable professions left anymore
― 乒乓, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:00 (eleven years ago) link
I think it's weird that there's no debate about whether wealthy white record executives can sell thousands and thousands of Chief Keef records to middle class white suburban teens, just about whether a tiny handful of white hipsters can say they enjoy it on the Internet
whiney's all for knocking white hipsters, but don't take away their ability to make money by reviewing rap albums, come on!
― da croupier, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:03 (eleven years ago) link
whiney is great at seeing creepiness in all things but his own creepiness
― Mordy, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:07 (eleven years ago) link
software! (he says with zero self-interest, none at all)
― Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:11 (eleven years ago) link
come on croup, u really can't be trolling that hard, dude? I'm OUT HERE protecting the $150 Jayson Greene made of Chief Keef, gtfo idiot
― so far, so good... solange! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:20 (eleven years ago) link
you want people to leave white hipsters alone and fight the real enemy, i get it
― da croupier, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:21 (eleven years ago) link
maybe ppl are just skeptical that the only thing underlining critical raves of chief keef is the excellent quality of his music
― Mordy, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:22 (eleven years ago) link
well yes, because the music is straight-up garbage
― Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:22 (eleven years ago) link
It's not like some gross 50s hipster jerking off to field recordings, it's professional pop critics listening to one of the few rap albums in 2013 that has promotion behind it. If the problem is white people celebrating nihilism, start by blaming Jimmy Iovene
― so far, so good... solange! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 7:40 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Like Macklemore!
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:23 (eleven years ago) link
since when are professional pop critics not gross hipsters jerking off anyway?
― Mordy, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:25 (eleven years ago) link
i'm saying hipsters aren't writing these reviews in a bubble and J0rdan, who also reviews like Justin Bieber records, is reviewing a pop phenomenon like he would any other thing vetted by a major label.
Also, yes, I'm ALL IN 100% for knocking on white hipsters, especially since they're doing way more disgusting things with black music than "writing positive reviews of it"
eg: www.facebook.com/events/408203589260930
― so far, so good... solange! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:25 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.facebook.com/events/408203589260930
― so far, so good... solange! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:26 (eleven years ago) link
i know you're still hard on hipsters, it's just sweet to see you sympathize with their desire to review pop product on the internet even when you know how it's part of a horrible system
― da croupier, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:28 (eleven years ago) link
i never said it was part of a horrible system? why are you putting words in my mouth you fucking creep
― so far, so good... solange! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:29 (eleven years ago) link
i mean i thought you might throw those fools into the fire and leave the critic game to those in the know, but here you are pointing out how they're only following orders
― da croupier, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:30 (eleven years ago) link
can i put forward that there are a lot of conflicts w/in the black community that keef is underlining so when white ppl are perceived to be taking sides in that it probably seems a bit weird too
i.e. generation gap is obviously a HUGE thing. & there's also class & geography.
so when Hip White Critic does his ACTUALLY DUBSTEP IS KIND OF GOOD to gangster rap there are all these other dimensions to it
i can tell you being in nyc for 3 months that simply the level of segregation here isnt even on par w/ how it is in chicago ... you dont have middle class Lincoln Park (chicago) white people living in Bronzeville in chicago, but they waltz around harlem (many parts of) like they own the place etc. it's just a completely different level of interaction.
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:31 (eleven years ago) link
i think one of the things about keef is he makes guys like this seem Really Old
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktSslqEcTREI chose this example b/c it sounds like French is biting a Keef hook
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:35 (eleven years ago) link
aw, the google cache for "A Match Made In Harlem" has expired already
― Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:36 (eleven years ago) link
n.o.r.e. doesn't really need help seeming old
― some dude, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:37 (eleven years ago) link
lol internet white guys get crazy defensive if anybody suggests there's cultural tourism present in getting excited about "nihilism" in black music (not a shot at u deej, though I still think yr nuts to rep for this guy's rapping)
― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:38 (eleven years ago) link
kind of feel keef's defenders are leaning a biiiiit too heavily on the "young people like him, u old" defense
not saying it's inaccurate but it's not great criticism
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:40 (eleven years ago) link
it's not music criticism, we're talking about the controversy
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:41 (eleven years ago) link
i think if deej and j0rd fail to see the forest for the trees it's from being in chicago during keef's rise -- i've been writing about local rap passionately for ages and basically bending over backwards to avoid the kind of hyperbolic homerism they keep setting off all my red flags for
― some dude, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:45 (eleven years ago) link
when bossman signs his 3 million dollar interscope deal we'll look pretty foolish
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:47 (eleven years ago) link
lol
― so far, so good... solange! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:49 (eleven years ago) link
he signed a 2.5 mil sony deal 8 years ago -- that kind of thing going nowhere is exactly why i go "who fuckin cares" when people trot out the supposed hugeness of keef's contract
― some dude, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:49 (eleven years ago) link
if they weren't going to be extraordinarily overpriced I'd buy you a pair of beats by keef's for xmas next year
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:51 (eleven years ago) link
i heard that Keef's headphones play the beat 2 seconds of where you lay down your vocals
― some dude, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:53 (eleven years ago) link
of=off
LOL
― so far, so good... solange! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:54 (eleven years ago) link
some dude I have beef with you now that you fucked up that joke
― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:55 (eleven years ago) link
sorry :(
― some dude, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 15:55 (eleven years ago) link
"I see that Dr. Dre, whose name is virtually synonymous with state-of-the-art studio perfectionism and sonic excellence, made a lot of money with branded headphones. think we can do that with the kid whose album sounds like a mixtape made in a basement that we tacked Rick Ross verses onto? sure, why not"
― some dude, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 16:00 (eleven years ago) link
tbf dr. dre's are overpriced rip-offs so you're criticizing the marketing alone
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 16:01 (eleven years ago) link
if these posts interfere with the line of high-end studio monitors I'm trying to broker with Lil B I'm gonna be pissed
― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 16:02 (eleven years ago) link
yeah idgaf about awesome audiophile snake oil i'm just saying at least the psychology of the marketing for one actually makes sense (xp)
― some dude, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 16:02 (eleven years ago) link
Chief Keef Brand Metronomes will be all the rage next Christmas
― some dude, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 16:04 (eleven years ago) link
lollllll
― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 16:09 (eleven years ago) link
looool
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 16:09 (eleven years ago) link
you could actually get some buddha box buzz going on a metronome that kept random time
― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 16:10 (eleven years ago) link
brb, making a metronome that counts based off the Fibonacci sequence
― Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 16:23 (eleven years ago) link
buzza box budd <--name of a strain I am cultivating rite now
― 乒乓, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 16:24 (eleven years ago) link
gets you so lifted all u can do is repeatedly click 'random threads'
― 乒乓, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 16:25 (eleven years ago) link
i don't think this is being used as a defense of his music, exactly. at least not on aesthetic grounds. it's more about clearing up the narrative. there are people in rap (including the writers/bloggers on the other side of this debate) that don't see chief keef as a legitimate artist -- they either think he has been pushed to fame by "mainstream media" or by kanye west or because of his tweets -- and though all of those factors have contributed to his story, the fact of the matter is that he is where he is because he became a genuine phenomenon in one of the biggest cities in america. and the driving force behind that phenomenon was young kids.
but yeah i also do think it's worth pointing out that while the critical debate does break along racial lines, it also breaks along a generational line. every writer or blogger that i've seen speaking out against my review on twitter is at least one "era" removed from keef. i don't think it's a coincidence that none of them can even accept the idea that keef might make art that's acceptable to critique and also like.
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 8 January 2013 18:14 (eleven years ago) link
there are tons of young rap fans who get pretty mad about youth-oriented mainstream rap, though, the same way there are kids in nirvana and led zep shirts who are pissed about emo or w/e
― some dude, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 18:17 (eleven years ago) link
kids also liked Haysi Fanayzee; that doesn't automatically mean anyone else should take them seriously
― Solange Knowles is my hero (DJP), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 18:20 (eleven years ago) link
― some dude, Tuesday, January 8, 2013 1:17 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark
sure and rock critics should take emo seriously!
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 8 January 2013 18:22 (eleven years ago) link
rip fall out boy critgeist :(
― some dude, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 18:22 (eleven years ago) link
well, but you're drawing some conclusions about that non-coincidence, and it's a little lazy to make "I've noticed this about my opponents" the actual focus of one's reponses. also it's pretty Lefsetz to be like "if the kids like it, it's real!" or as Dan points out - kids love all sorts of crap
― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 18:23 (eleven years ago) link