Sonic Youth new album "Rather Ripped"

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here's a setlist from last night:

Incinerate
What A Waste
Pattern Recognition
Do You Believe In Rapture
Reena
Rats
Sleepin' Around
Turquoise Boy
Jams Run Free
Lights Out
PCH
Pink Steam
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The Neutral
Shaking Hell
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Or

i too would have liked to have heard more old songs. but the new stuff rules, so i still enjoyed myself thoroughly.

spastic heritage (spastic heritage), Thursday, 15 June 2006 13:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Is Ibold the reason they're only playing new songs, you think? (I.e., he hasn't had time to learn the entire catalogue.)

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 15 June 2006 13:50 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost to jaymc:

short answer = yes. could he learn a few choice cuts though? it made me really miss jim o'rourke's performances with them (aside from nyc ghosts & flowers tour.)

blackmail (blackmail.is.my.life), Thursday, 15 June 2006 14:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Be patient, I'm sure they'll get around to adding more songs! They probably are eager to play all the new songs right now because they haven't done them so much before. "PCH" and "Pattern Recognition" are the only two songs carrying over from the last few rounds of touring, they probably just want to do something different.

They need to get a second Lee song in there, though!

Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Thursday, 15 June 2006 14:57 (seventeen years ago) link

The album is fantastic. It seems strange but right now my fav album of the year is a toss-up between this and The Obliterati.

New Media Intern (New Media Intern), Thursday, 15 June 2006 15:20 (seventeen years ago) link

just bought it today. tell me, is it good for to drink to?

Uri Frendimein (Uri Frendimein), Thursday, 15 June 2006 19:01 (seventeen years ago) link

COVER ART: Really dreary shit for how it sparkly and nice it sounds.

Uri Frendimein (Uri Frendimein), Thursday, 15 June 2006 19:20 (seventeen years ago) link

I think the title "Rather Ripped" refers to the fact that this was all digitally recorded and all the nuance of sound we lost out on. Not to mention the packaging looks like it was printed with some digital printer rather than an offset press.

Uri Frendimein (Uri Frendimein), Thursday, 15 June 2006 19:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Actually, Rather Ripped was the name a record store from 25 years ago or something that Thurston shopped at. But yours is a nice theory.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 15 June 2006 19:45 (seventeen years ago) link

I guess I will not win the contest.

Uri Frendimein (Uri Frendimein), Thursday, 15 June 2006 19:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Say, I left this cd at work today by mistake and here I went out and got some Delerium Tremens Belgian beer just to kick back and enjoy it!

So, if I already own the damn thing, it's perfectly legal to download it on Limewire, right?

Actually, isn't it "legal" to download anything, anyway? It's only illegal to upload stuff / share stuff, right?

Uri Frendimein (Uri Frendimein), Thursday, 15 June 2006 21:58 (seventeen years ago) link

You can stream it legally at
http://www.sonicyouth.com/alt-main/rippedpop.html

Sundar (sundar), Thursday, 15 June 2006 22:00 (seventeen years ago) link

(But I guess it's not the same, depending on what you want. I still find myself getting burnt out by track 9 or so and putting on something else.)

Sundar (sundar), Thursday, 15 June 2006 22:01 (seventeen years ago) link

That's totally cool! Thanks, Sundar. Beats getting put on a "watchlist" or something. I'm sure someone watches brand new album downloads. Although, I already started to d/l all the songs, so if they put me on a "naughty" list, I doubt they take note of whether or not I finished the download, but fuck it. I have the CD and the receipt.

Uri Frendimein (Uri Frendimein), Thursday, 15 June 2006 22:04 (seventeen years ago) link

I like the new album, but here's what I'm sick of:

(for example) Reena from the 1:56 - 2:12 mark. This is the same fuckin' guitar noise SY has made for years. It pops up on other songs on this new album, too.

There's nothing wrong with having a style. Hell, even I have a style and I don't mean to. It's just natural given anyone's limitations, etc., but it's kind of annoying to hear that same thing. I guess a similar comparison would be the rumbling muted E of speed metal.

Uri Frendimein (Uri Frendimein), Thursday, 15 June 2006 22:08 (seventeen years ago) link

This is the same fuckin' guitar noise SY has made for years. It pops up on other songs on this new album, too.

TROLL

mts (theoreticalgirl), Thursday, 15 June 2006 22:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, shut up.

Uri Frendimein (Uri Frendimein), Thursday, 15 June 2006 22:13 (seventeen years ago) link

IOW, I was talking about the "Reena from the 1:56 - 2:12 mark," specifically, which you conveniently left out of your italicized quote. There's plenty that sounds new on this album and I like it.

Uri Frendimein (Uri Frendimein), Thursday, 15 June 2006 22:15 (seventeen years ago) link

no one cares, TROLL

mts (theoreticalgirl), Thursday, 15 June 2006 22:16 (seventeen years ago) link

That was a good movie. You can rent both 1 + 2 on a single DVD at Blockbuster.

Uri Frendimein (Uri Frendimein), Thursday, 15 June 2006 22:17 (seventeen years ago) link

This is the same fuckin' guitar noise SY has made for years. It pops up on other songs on this new album, too.

But seriously! That's like saying "let's build a house with no walls." A lot of bands can make all the noise they want and I can't tell them from Adam. When SY makes that noise, I know exactly who I'm hearing.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 15 June 2006 22:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, btw, you should heed your own advice:

no one cares, TROLL

No one does. Troll. Suck it. :-P

Uri Frendimein (Uri Frendimein), Thursday, 15 June 2006 22:18 (seventeen years ago) link

But seriously! That's like saying "let's build a house with no walls." A lot of bands can make all the noise they want and I can't tell them from Adam. When SY makes that noise, I know exactly who I'm hearing.

Haha, okay, I guess I'll buy that. Did you really go check out which noise I was talking about? I don't see why SY has to refer back to it so often. I have a feeling it is not really intentional; it sounds like the same sort of vague repetition all guitarists are guilty of, but that pitch and everything! I've heard it!

Uri Frendimein (Uri Frendimein), Thursday, 15 June 2006 22:20 (seventeen years ago) link

this album easy to listen to. the chorus of 'what a waste' has got some good noise going on (swirling feedback, reminds me of 'new hampshire'). the noise brimming underneath during 'do you believe in rapture' is also nice. the album breathes easily

held tony (held tony), Thursday, 15 June 2006 22:20 (seventeen years ago) link

I think it's great. What's weird is that the samples and stream that Sundar linked sound BETTER than what I heard on my headphones in the office today from the real CD. The tone was all muffled and sounded really "digital minimal recording technique." I hope it sounds better when I pop it in the stereo.

Uri Frendimein (Uri Frendimein), Thursday, 15 June 2006 22:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Did you really go check out which noise I was talking about?

Yeah, actually I've heard the song so many times I already knew exactly what you were speaking of. It's a SY songwriting crutch, sure, but it always works for me (not that it's actual "noise" we're speaking of here... just a strumming/chording technique).

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 15 June 2006 22:26 (seventeen years ago) link

It's funny because I remember in the 80s I thought, "oh fucking blues scales are so old" in favor of SY and Trout Mask Replica. Now, I swear, most stuff sounds like SY or Trout Mask Replica to me that isn't blues scales (discounting Zorn/Patton metal-jazz type stuff, which is just ridonkulous). And I feel like, "yeah okay whatever, one or the other, what's the diff?" Not that this means any damn thing whatsoever, but I wonder what sounds "new" to kids these days.

Uri Frendimein (Uri Frendimein), Thursday, 15 June 2006 22:30 (seventeen years ago) link

us maple kinda hinted "blues scales" in their fragmented style of song. but sorta more as suggestions than foundations

held tony (held tony), Thursday, 15 June 2006 22:47 (seventeen years ago) link

sonic youth would sound fresh if they started using unorthodox percussion and atypical (for sonic youth) melody-making devices (keyboard, synth, et al) to make their songs. 'do you believe in rapture' and 'or' are more interesting than the rest of the tracks on rather ripped, because they hint at something else. 'or's got that ringing guitar body-sound throughout, so nice~! imagine unheard sy tracks assembeled from feedback sounds, amp buzzes, and string-scrapes pitched so as to be melodic, not including any fretted notes from a guitar played regularly.

held tony (held tony), Thursday, 15 June 2006 23:26 (seventeen years ago) link

I like "Or" but "Do You Believe In Rapture" is terrible, it sounds like weak outtake from Psychic Hearts. actually, the whole thing gives me a slight mid-90's vibe, more like Jet Set and Washing Machine than their last few albums, but that's a very vague first impresion.

SY aren't exactly strangers to synths, but honestly, I think that they've stayed more consistent than a lot of indie journeymen pricesely because they haven't fallen into that trap of staying up to date as keyboards and drum machines have become de rigeur, honing in even more on the guitar interplay. and what little bleeding edge production fuckery they/O'Rourke have indulged in, particularly on NYC Ghosts, didn't really do them any favors. in this world of dilettantes and dabblers, I'm happy that even if the members of SY go off and try different instruments and setups for side projects, they keep coming back every couple years to give you a Sonic Youth album, nothing more, nothing less.

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Friday, 16 June 2006 01:51 (seventeen years ago) link

the VU break in 'rapture' does recall the pretty, decaying outro for 'female cop' on psychic hearts. i have no problem with the new album, other thant that it is a little too brief.

held tony (held tony), Friday, 16 June 2006 01:54 (seventeen years ago) link

the mid-nineties feel was something i got too and i half expected full on grunge revivalism last night. or at least a mudhoney cover. "sleepin' around" is as close as it gets to that. conversely, had they started playing grateful dead tunes i wouldn't have been surprised either.

blackmail (blackmail.is.my.life), Friday, 16 June 2006 01:56 (seventeen years ago) link

QUOTE It's kind of funny/endearing how Kim can't sing, but on these tunes in particular, I'm wondering if she does it on purpose. Maybe it's always been on purpose? She's way off here. UNQUOTE

You have missed the point entirely. Kim, and Bob (Dylan) never cared or tried to "hit the notes right" and anyone who sees this as a bad thing should listen to Bryan Adams instead! :)

Darren Skuja (Darren Skuja), Friday, 16 June 2006 05:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Spun it 4x so far. 1st time I thought "shyte - weak - a letdown from Nurse and Murray - a step back". But this is a real grower. 4th time I know it is just as good as any of their oughties works, if not better. I fucking adore Torquoise Boy. I wish there was more Lee. I wish there was a hidden 25min fuck-you noise track. This is the last one for Geffen - does anyone else feel that it was made 'songy' in order to get another contract? :) Anyway, I do think it is very good, not super great - a holding pattern - not a huge statement - a couple of weak tracks initially (sleeping around, rats) have become good tracks upon further inspection. Kim and thurston sound older, but Lee still sounds like a punk. So, I'm not blown away, but I'm certainly not disappointed either. It is a cd that I want to play over and over again. This is the true test imho.

But fuck, where's my Scott Walker, aquarius records?

Darren Skuja (Darren Skuja), Friday, 16 June 2006 06:13 (seventeen years ago) link

They're on Letterman Friday.

nickn (nickn), Friday, 16 June 2006 06:39 (seventeen years ago) link

So, Darren, if the album is "ust as good as any of their oughties works, if not better," then how is it a holding pattern?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 16 June 2006 11:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Incinerate will not leave my head!!!

and i'm alright with that...

no, really. it's fine.

edde (edde), Friday, 16 June 2006 13:31 (seventeen years ago) link

QUYOTE So, Darren, if the album is "ust as good as any of their oughties works, if not better," then how is it a holding pattern? UNQUOTE

Mmmm. Lord Alfred, it is rather similar to recent works. They didn't pull a KidA. Hence my "holding pattern" thoughts. And in addition to the recent style, the songwriting and playing and lyrics are also on the same high level, or maybe better once I spin it 10x. Or something like that. Dude.

Darren Skuja (Darren Skuja), Friday, 16 June 2006 15:57 (seventeen years ago) link

If you think Kid A was an advance...

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 16 June 2006 16:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Not an advance, I agree, but a curve ball nonetheless.

Darren Skuja (Darren Skuja), Friday, 16 June 2006 17:45 (seventeen years ago) link

On initial listen, this album is pretty boring.

Zwan (miccio), Friday, 16 June 2006 19:53 (seventeen years ago) link

I thought it sucked too, on initial spin. But as always with Sonic Youth, a few spins later and I realize it is very good.

Darren Skuja (Darren Skuja), Friday, 16 June 2006 21:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, I love it now. I think I'm only on my fourth spin. And tonight I have the CD AND the beer, so I don't have to stream it.

I think I'm going to have to go give Murray St. and Sonic Nurse another chance. To me, that stuff seemed boring, but I never actually gave them more than 1 impatient, disappointed listen each (if that). With A Thousand Leaves, they really lost me as a die-hard fan, and I haven't really cared again until this album.

Uri Frendimein (Uri Frendimein), Saturday, 17 June 2006 00:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Murray Street didn't hook you on the first listen? Your soul must be rotting inside.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Saturday, 17 June 2006 01:34 (seventeen years ago) link

On initial listen, this album is pretty boring.

yup. actually "a thousand leaves" is the last sy record that i've liked (despite that cheesy phaser effect they used throughout). "rather ripped" starts off pretty good but the rest seems sorta meh.

Q('.'Q) (eman), Saturday, 17 June 2006 01:39 (seventeen years ago) link

i don't even know if i ever gave murray street or sonic nurse a listen, maybe i should remedy that

Q('.'Q) (eman), Saturday, 17 June 2006 01:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Murray Street didn't hook you on the first listen? Your soul must be rotting inside.

It is. Not only that, but I have impacted fecal matter which is also rotting. The only thing that seems to help is carving an X on my chest and allowing the sun's rays to penetrate my blood in the evening. Go figure.

Satanist (Uri Frendimein), Saturday, 17 June 2006 01:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh man I must be the only person alive that thinks 1000 Leaves is brilliant, especially the Kim songs, and super especially that haunting first song. AND, not only did I think that NYCGF did NOT suck, but it was fucking great. And then, Murray Street and Sonic nurse were even more superb! I fucking adore SNY post Washing Machine. That 98-06 period is my favourite of theirs. And I haven't even hit on their "other" releases of this era!

I actually like the second half of RR better. To me, the first half is a really good warmup, and when Turquoise Boy begins, we are really rolling, Baby! Gave it spin #7 tonight, and I think it is even better than St and Nurse!

Darren Skuja (Darren Skuja), Saturday, 17 June 2006 04:21 (seventeen years ago) link

They were tight on Letterman - played "Incinerate". I'm going to try to get this CD tomorrow.

Marmot 4-Tay (marmotwolof), Saturday, 17 June 2006 06:37 (seventeen years ago) link

yup. actually "a thousand leaves" is the last sy record that i've liked (despite that cheesy phaser effect they used throughout). "rather ripped" starts off pretty good but the rest seems sorta meh.

-- Q('.'Q) (ï¿...), June 17th, 2006.


if there's any word to describe sonic youth's use of guitar effects, it's anything *but* cheesy.

kevinod (odtron5000), Saturday, 17 June 2006 18:10 (seventeen years ago) link


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