what are barack obama's flaws?

well, certainly some of Pelosi's aggression (and the Gingrich Repubs in the nineties) depended on grudge politics.

not at all questionable imo

and resentment isn't necessarily a bad thing. RE the stimulus I agree with Barney Frank's remark the other day: Obama may have overstated his ability to bridge political divides. But we'll see.

it's February 4th

You just learned that yourself, right?

the point i take from sullivan's post is.. for a long time, it's going to be possible to explain everything that happens vis-a-vis obama administration as.. this is the new politics, which is different from the old politics, and everyone else just doesn't understand. perhaps they should invent shorthand or a nice acronym for this explanation, because it's not interesting, but at least it could be said briefly.

Joan Didion wrote an essay in the late eighties called "In the Court of the Fisher King" or something, in which she eroded in her understated way the claim that Reagan's misstatements and blunders were really "signals" sent over the heads of the media to his true interpreters, The Base. Obama ain't Reagan, not by a long shot, but I don't want to get into the fortune telling trade yet.

"everything that happens" = uh what exactly? that's pretty broad. Everything bad that happens? Everything good? Every bill that actually passes? A terrorist attack? Withdrawal from Iraq? Capturing Bin Laden?

as far as media commentary on the politics of any situation - yeah - i await plenty of "you just don't get it, this is the new politics." right now IMHO this is not the new politics, this is right wing talking points & the gop screwing up obama's plans, which IMHO is a very bad thing for the country.

i mean GOP/right wing winning the message battle over this, is a bad thing for the country. i trust obama's people are mostly on point, i mostly get annoyed about stuff they're taking out of the bill

yeah, i really hope that team O wasn't really expecting a lot of cooperation from the gop, on anything. they've got dudes out there showing placards of stacked dollar bills (omg), saying transit spending is not stimulative at all (wtf), or calling the bill a "mugging" (lol). time to cut them out. nobody remembers bipartisanship after a week except david broder. put a good bill together and get it to 51.

is it me or is it not really obvious that offering to cooperate with the GOP and then them acting like childish assholes makes the childish assholes look bad, not the other way around. This thing will pass along party lines, the public will go along with it and move on to the next crisis, and the GOP will have further isolated themselves like the jackasses they are.

yes, but in going along with the game, we'll come out with some weak brew of business breaks, tax cuts for buying america cars, and piddly road fixups, and not a gop yea vote in the bargain. it's not just the optics of the process that matter but the meat of the bill passed

i don't buy for a second (never did) the explanation that obama is playing some mysterious other level chess game that the rest of us mortals just don't understand.

― NFL RUNOFF miss u plaxico (daria-g), Wednesday, February 4, 2009 3:57 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

u didnt even buy it when the metanarratives around your candidate sunk her?

i mean in this case im not so sure hes on the right track but come on, u think it was just dumb luck & not his 'chess game' that had him beat the biggest name in dem politics??

It helped that her campaign seemed to be run by three-year-olds.

i don't think it was 'metanarratives' but ground-game ruthless execution that offed HRC in the end.

besides, fighting HRC to a media/narrative draw doesn't mean he isn't getting rolled on the stimulus

besides, fighting HRC to a media/narrative draw doesn't mean he isn't getting rolled on the stimulus

― goole, Wednesday, February 4, 2009 7:57 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i said as much

just put off by daria's "ive been TELLING you guys" thing

where did she say that

i don't buy for a second (never did) the explanation that obama is playing some mysterious other level chess game that the rest of us mortals just don't understand.

― NFL RUNOFF miss u plaxico (daria-g), Wednesday, February 4, 2009 3:57 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i was referring to this (altho taking into acct her exaggeration of the position that i & others argued), if i recall the primaries threads correctly something of a consensus developed that yah he kinda was playing a mysterious (i.e. didnt have any information leaks) other level chess game (i.e. came up with a winning plan & stuck to it w/ consistency) that 'us mortals' didnt understand (lol obama is GOD to his supporters amirite??)

i think you're making a mountain out of a molehill

it's maybe time to put away all the bullshit lessons we learned from the primary thread and move on

http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=11358

[i]Finally, at his press conference today, President Obama begins to rise above the Church of Broderism that fetishizes bipartisanship for bipartisanship's sake, and instead offer up a little bit of good old fashioned commonsense:

In the past few days, I've heard criticisms that this [stimulus] plan is somehow wanting, and these criticisms echo the very same failed economic theories that led us into this crisis in the first place, the notion that tax cuts alone will solve all our problems, that we can ignore fundamental challenges like energy independence and the high cost of health care, that we can somehow deal with this in a piecemeal fashion and still expect our economy and our country to thrive.
I reject those theories. And so did the American people when they went to the polls in November and voted resoundingly for change.

More like this, please.

[/i]!

Liberal Democrats: waiting for the Republicans to pay the price for looking like childish assholes for 28 years

The writer is president of the United States.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/04/AR2009020403174.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
now that's what i'm talking about. give em hell barry

Liberal Democrats: waiting for the Republicans to pay the price for looking like childish assholes for 28 years

in case you didn't notice they lost the white house and both majorities in congress and their core demographics are shrinking

He's a bully:

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"What do you think a stimulus is?" Obama asked incredulously. "It’s spending — that's the whole point! Seriously.”

ah, that's more like it.

no doubt! heard some reporters discussing this @ npr this morning & finally seemed to be catching on as far as why it might be important to spend money, someone called in & made the point that the GOP had no problem with spending shitloads of money every time bush wanted it, no questions asked. but a lot of media still hung up on viewing the entire thing as fighting for political advantage, which.. no doubt plays a role in whatever gets done but for crying out loud, another 600K+ jobs were lost last month!!

also, good lord - some of you guys really need to get over the primaries.

yeah, the "Villagers" aspect of this is really taking over, with all these pundits and journos continuing along on their behavior of something between junior high schoolers and courtiers/syncophants of the Sun King.

And sentiments like We're All Bob Somerby Now are spreading

I think PRESIDENT: ARE THESE PEOPLE SERIOUS? is my favorite headline.

Like, ever.

"I don't care whether you're driving a hybrid or an SUV -- if you're headed for a cliff, you've got to change direction."

^^^luv this fucking guy

I've been reading somerby for years as well.. the media attack on gore in 2000 is kind of an idee fixe for him, but he's OTM on that, I think.
did you catch MoDo's recent column comparing obama visiting a DC public school while Daschle was being attacked for tax issues to... Bush sitting there in the classroom, dumbfounded, on 9/11? clearly THE SAME THING

the hatchet job the new yorker did on gore in 2000 still gives me the willies

Rumor is he's not very good in the sack. Neither was Sam Cooke apparently. Huh. Imagine that.

Wait...you got a source for that, OHS?

Lucianne Goldberg told him; he recorded the conversation.

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/4209/att00000lg2.gif

Ha ha ha!

Mr. White, words cannot express my delight in what lies at the end of this link. My sorry ass motherfucking ignorance has been cured.

There is something immensely satisfying about it, n'est-ce pas?

Nixon on the WH tapes - now there was a motherfucking asshole. This Obama guy is just... sweet.

That's EXACTLY what I was thinking. His 'motherfucker' sounds downright wholesome next to any profanity uttered by Nixon.

NO WORSHIPPERS HEAH, NO SIR

did you promise not to post about obama for the first 90 days?