guitar as a pop/R&B instrument (not a "rock" instrument, not a country instrument)

that's what he was saying, it's a truthful statement on that song, but not the ones w/ horn sections

legit credits on "Living For the City" too.

oh ok, i gotcha

van halen on beat it = how I figure a lot of producers think of guitar in pop/hip hop songs. it is the easiest, most direct way of satisfying the "rock" ingredient in a pop song recipe. imo learning how to "cross over" is the first chapter in making popular music now, as opposed to, say, anything other than the first chapter, as it might have been prior to MJ (or prince)

― Dominique, Thursday, January 3, 2013 11:51 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is OTM. Every "pop" act (and most hip hop acts) I've seen perform on TV (SNL, some talk show, whatever) has the requisite pseudo-Hendrix guitarist in their band, usually stepping forward for three or four seconds of high-gain whammy bar wankery.

― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Friday, 4 January 2013 14:25 (7 hours ago) Permalink

This is pretty much exaclty what I meant by "guitarness"

yeah i mean Lil Wayne has been "playing guitar" on stage for like 6 years now

he's still doing it????

yeah at least Madonna has mastered a punkish rhythm guitar amateurishness.

I have old demos of Madonna's NYC days in the 80s. She always had that amateurishness of her guitar playing. She was smart to have a more talented guitarist beside her.

prob more likely sloppy crediting than that. also didn't ?uest supposedly take a bunch of dilla beats and re-play them live for that album? don't think the credits reflect that either.

― some dude, Friday, January 4, 2013 12:28 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This would explain why the "drums" don't sound like drums on that album. I hope the Dilla estate got some money for that one.