you are arguing with the wrong people
― If I was a carpenter, and you were a douchebag (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 2 January 2013 23:51 (eleven years ago) link
why are we talking about hemiolas again? i've never heard keef use one.
― have a sandwich or ice cream sandwich (Jordan), Thursday, 3 January 2013 00:11 (eleven years ago) link
btw i'm white a jazz drummer
― have a sandwich or ice cream sandwich (Jordan), Thursday, 3 January 2013 00:12 (eleven years ago) link
deej we're not saying chief keef is a rudimentary rapper
― some dude, Thursday, 3 January 2013 00:17 (eleven years ago) link
that would imply he has all the rudiments down
some dude just made my wife lol in the airport
― GIMME SOME REGGAE (DJP), Thursday, 3 January 2013 00:20 (eleven years ago) link
lol sd
― packt like phoebe cates's dad in a chimney (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Thursday, 3 January 2013 00:20 (eleven years ago) link
congrats on finally making an honest woman out of strongo, DJP
― some dude, Thursday, 3 January 2013 00:23 (eleven years ago) link
we are registered at Fuddrucker's
― GIMME SOME REGGAE (DJP), Thursday, 3 January 2013 00:25 (eleven years ago) link
― have a sandwich or ice cream sandwich (Jordan), Wednesday, January 2, 2013 6:11 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i was trying to get across that we were talking abt the actual placement on the beat of his words rather than whether he's behind the beat or ahead or sloppy or w/e
can you tell what he's doing rhythmically on the big lean song? my initial guess was that either 1) engineer laid the verse down early, or 2) he entered unexpectedly early on purpose
― D-40, Thursday, 3 January 2013 00:32 (eleven years ago) link
3) he's a shitty rapper
― If I was a carpenter, and you were a douchebag (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 3 January 2013 00:34 (eleven years ago) link
you're a shitty poster
― D-40, Thursday, 3 January 2013 00:37 (eleven years ago) link
both of those things can be true
― packt like phoebe cates's dad in a chimney (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Thursday, 3 January 2013 00:41 (eleven years ago) link
(j/k shakey you know i love u boo)
― packt like phoebe cates's dad in a chimney (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Thursday, 3 January 2013 00:42 (eleven years ago) link
only one of them is
― D-40, Thursday, 3 January 2013 00:46 (eleven years ago) link
*cries offbeat*
― If I was a carpenter, and you were a douchebag (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 3 January 2013 00:46 (eleven years ago) link
*sighs in hemiola pattern*
― D-40, Thursday, 3 January 2013 00:49 (eleven years ago) link
ok, i'm going in. so you're talking about the more macro question of where he starts and ends his 16th note lines in the four bar phrase? that doesn't bother me too much, it seems like it could have been intentional but it also wouldn't surprise me if it was the engineer. what i find a lot more disconcerting to listen to is the (more micro) fact that each word is sooooo ahead of the beat. that could go either way too, but i really hope it was the engineer.
which, btw, would be super easy for an amateur engineer to fuck up. as someone who works with acapellas as a producer from time to time, it seems pretty common to get a vocal track that doesn't start exactly at the beginning of your track or even on an exact downbeat, so then it's just up to your ears to line it up correctly. and if the engineer who recorded the vocal doesn't send an extra reference version (like vocals + track together), then you can end up making an educated guess where it goes, and you also have total control however how it ends up feeling (ahead of/behind the beat, etc).
xp
― have a sandwich or ice cream sandwich (Jordan), Thursday, 3 January 2013 00:51 (eleven years ago) link
you've heard a few of his songs, right? is that micro ahead of the beat thing a constant, or is that something applicable here only? i def get the feeling like he's either ahead or behind of the beat pretty regularly, like he's laying in some kind of weird pocket that makes it feel 'off'
― D-40, Thursday, 3 January 2013 00:55 (eleven years ago) link
when you listen to his verse on 'i don't like,' it definitely sounds more weird to me -- like his vocals sound really square & stiff because of how they've been placed on the beat
― D-40, Thursday, 3 January 2013 00:56 (eleven years ago) link
thats the 'i don't like remix' i was referring to in that last post
i know some dude had a prob w/ the 'off' feel on 'no tomorrow' but whether by accident or design i think it works b/c of that weird timing frission
― D-40, Thursday, 3 January 2013 01:03 (eleven years ago) link
his rapping really is terrible tho dude. like anybody who's been listening to rap as much as you have for as long as you have should be hating on this dude harder than anybody in this thread instead of arguing that he's the rap Steve Gadd
― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 3 January 2013 01:03 (eleven years ago) link
There must be 50 ways to leave your chief keef
― toy_sleigher (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 3 January 2013 01:09 (eleven years ago) link
just tap 3 over 2, Lou
― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 3 January 2013 01:11 (eleven years ago) link
feel like this is the inverse of what happens when old ppl try to convince me about michael franti
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Thursday, 3 January 2013 01:12 (eleven years ago) link
keef's rapping is only "terrible" in the absolute most classicist sense but fuck that
― dead cera (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 3 January 2013 01:16 (eleven years ago) link
― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, January 2, 2013 8:03 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i think sometimes when people really ravenously devour a very particular kind of music there's a point where they run through all the actual good stuff and start championing all sorts of random stuff that just happens to be in that style. lot of indie rock and dance dudes down those kinds of rabbit holes, obviously.
― some dude, Thursday, 3 January 2013 01:16 (eleven years ago) link
i think any time some dude can come up w/ a way to explain that his way of listening is better than someone else's, he will
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Thursday, 3 January 2013 01:17 (eleven years ago) link
also speaking from personal experience of course (lol xp)
― some dude, Thursday, 3 January 2013 01:17 (eleven years ago) link
are y'all always this relentless
― mookieproof, Thursday, 3 January 2013 01:18 (eleven years ago) link
like, i'm completely aware of the thin line b/w fucking w/ dope pop music & becoming part of the cassie fan club & have said over & over this isn't some kind of big complex thing, he's just doing something fresh w/ his delivery (unless it was an engineering error & he was placed on the wrong part of the beat). Speaking of the macro rhythm of that particular example
i haven't really said much about (and have more or less agreed with you, although it doesn't bother me the way it does you) assessment of keef having an off-beat flow.
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Thursday, 3 January 2013 01:19 (eleven years ago) link
has it ever occurred to you guys that a) some rappers' lyrics aren't really flattered by being typed up or read and b) gucci is one such rapper?
― weingar management (some dude), Thursday, July 30, 2009 9:37 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Thursday, 3 January 2013 01:21 (eleven years ago) link
is that supposed to be a 'lol how things have changed' thing or what
― some dude, Thursday, 3 January 2013 01:25 (eleven years ago) link
^^^doesnt see the frozen crystals when he hits the cigarillo
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Thursday, 3 January 2013 01:28 (eleven years ago) link
Baking soda, 'iola whipping
― finally rich, fun-packed, fulfilling (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 3 January 2013 01:34 (eleven years ago) link
cool beans, using music theory to differentiate between a flow being off & placement of words on the beat has somehow magically become about how i think keef is a genius doing rhythmic summersaults over his inspirations.
whatever makes u lol
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Thursday, 3 January 2013 01:39 (eleven years ago) link
you're the one throwing around words like "masterful" dog, people here are generally using the terms you introduced to the convo much more than they're putting words in your mouth
and for the record i never hated on gucci when he was in his prime (as exemplified by you delivering that when trying to find proof that i did) and i still believe that not all good rappers' lyrics look great typed out and that that includes him
― some dude, Thursday, 3 January 2013 01:48 (eleven years ago) link
gucci's a good counterpoint to keef though in that he's thought off as this mushmouthed dude who's always high but he's just relentlessly on point with the beat
― some dude, Thursday, 3 January 2013 01:50 (eleven years ago) link
thought off = thought of
thats crazy gucci is behind the beat all the TIME. his shit is super sluggish
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Thursday, 3 January 2013 01:53 (eleven years ago) link
he stretches words out but the consonants usually land on the drums
― some dude, Thursday, 3 January 2013 01:54 (eleven years ago) link
although i'm talking about the more upbeat zaytoven era stuff, maybe that's changed more with all those more slow paced later tapes that i listen to twice and then forget about
― some dude, Thursday, 3 January 2013 01:56 (eleven years ago) link
"you're the one throwing around words like "masterful" dog"
again, w/ regards to the rhythmic choices he makes on 1 partic. example, not where he locates (or doesnt?) the pocket in his rapping
how many times do u want to go over this?
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Thursday, 3 January 2013 01:57 (eleven years ago) link
man I have been responsible for a good display name or two but you better give me my propers for "rap steve gadd" mr deej
― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 3 January 2013 02:03 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7boMvBQVQ3Q
― mookieproof, Thursday, 3 January 2013 02:04 (eleven years ago) link
I'm listening to the legit masterful rhythms of a teenaged LL Cool J right now and laughing like a cank like HAWHAWHAW
― finally rich, fun-packed, fulfilling (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 3 January 2013 02:43 (eleven years ago) link
Hearing that over "Backstreet Freestyle"
― Tim F, Thursday, 3 January 2013 02:47 (eleven years ago) link
Argh "Backseat Freestyle". crappy joke ruined.
― Tim F, Thursday, 3 January 2013 02:48 (eleven years ago) link
no diggity
― finally rich, fun-packed, fulfilling (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 3 January 2013 02:48 (eleven years ago) link