Finally Rich - Chief Keef

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try to tap a hemiola w/ both your hands, it's p hard to get the timing right

No it isn't! If you have problems with that type of basic rhythmic figure you may not have any business calling yourself a musician.

if you aren't a musician it kind of is, w/out practice! are you really tapping that three evenly? (fwiw this argument has nothing to do w/ keef at this point)

drummers learning to keep time w/ each hand independent is one of the big challenges of drumming iirc?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM4yACHcI1E

this sounds dope imo

it's really easy if you just think in 6/8 time. right hand beats 1-3-5-, left hand beats 1--4-- xp

it's hard for me to judge how difficult it is to learn to play the 3/2 rhythm because I've known how to play it for so long & it seems so natural to me, but really, it is one of the most basic rhythms used in music, and knowing how to play it is beginner-level stuff. it's not like playing 5 or 7.

xpost rev otm, it's just a simple division of 6 beats.

it's really easy if you just think in 6/8 time. right hand beats 1-3-5-, left hand beats 1--4-- xp

^^^^ this is exactly why the "it's different beats" argument makes no sense

dude i never claimed it was 'complex'

pol·y·rhythm A rhythm that makes use of two or more different rhythms at once.

you are arguing with the wrong people

why are we talking about hemiolas again? i've never heard keef use one.

btw i'm white a jazz drummer

deej we're not saying chief keef is a rudimentary rapper

that would imply he has all the rudiments down

some dude just made my wife lol in the airport

lol sd

congrats on finally making an honest woman out of strongo, DJP

we are registered at Fuddrucker's

why are we talking about hemiolas again? i've never heard keef use one.

― have a sandwich or ice cream sandwich (Jordan), Wednesday, January 2, 2013 6:11 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i was trying to get across that we were talking abt the actual placement on the beat of his words rather than whether he's behind the beat or ahead or sloppy or w/e

can you tell what he's doing rhythmically on the big lean song? my initial guess was that either 1) engineer laid the verse down early, or 2) he entered unexpectedly early on purpose

3) he's a shitty rapper

you're a shitty poster

both of those things can be true

(j/k shakey you know i love u boo)

only one of them is

*cries offbeat*

*sighs in hemiola pattern*

ok, i'm going in. so you're talking about the more macro question of where he starts and ends his 16th note lines in the four bar phrase? that doesn't bother me too much, it seems like it could have been intentional but it also wouldn't surprise me if it was the engineer. what i find a lot more disconcerting to listen to is the (more micro) fact that each word is sooooo ahead of the beat. that could go either way too, but i really hope it was the engineer.

which, btw, would be super easy for an amateur engineer to fuck up. as someone who works with acapellas as a producer from time to time, it seems pretty common to get a vocal track that doesn't start exactly at the beginning of your track or even on an exact downbeat, so then it's just up to your ears to line it up correctly. and if the engineer who recorded the vocal doesn't send an extra reference version (like vocals + track together), then you can end up making an educated guess where it goes, and you also have total control however how it ends up feeling (ahead of/behind the beat, etc).

xp

you've heard a few of his songs, right? is that micro ahead of the beat thing a constant, or is that something applicable here only? i def get the feeling like he's either ahead or behind of the beat pretty regularly, like he's laying in some kind of weird pocket that makes it feel 'off'

when you listen to his verse on 'i don't like,' it definitely sounds more weird to me -- like his vocals sound really square & stiff because of how they've been placed on the beat

thats the 'i don't like remix' i was referring to in that last post

i know some dude had a prob w/ the 'off' feel on 'no tomorrow' but whether by accident or design i think it works b/c of that weird timing frission

his rapping really is terrible tho dude. like anybody who's been listening to rap as much as you have for as long as you have should be hating on this dude harder than anybody in this thread instead of arguing that he's the rap Steve Gadd

There must be 50 ways to leave your chief keef

just tap 3 over 2, Lou

feel like this is the inverse of what happens when old ppl try to convince me about michael franti

keef's rapping is only "terrible" in the absolute most classicist sense but fuck that

his rapping really is terrible tho dude. like anybody who's been listening to rap as much as you have for as long as you have should be hating on this dude harder than anybody in this thread instead of arguing that he's the rap Steve Gadd

― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, January 2, 2013 8:03 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think sometimes when people really ravenously devour a very particular kind of music there's a point where they run through all the actual good stuff and start championing all sorts of random stuff that just happens to be in that style. lot of indie rock and dance dudes down those kinds of rabbit holes, obviously.

i think any time some dude can come up w/ a way to explain that his way of listening is better than someone else's, he will

also speaking from personal experience of course (lol xp)

are y'all always this relentless

like, i'm completely aware of the thin line b/w fucking w/ dope pop music & becoming part of the cassie fan club & have said over & over this isn't some kind of big complex thing, he's just doing something fresh w/ his delivery (unless it was an engineering error & he was placed on the wrong part of the beat). Speaking of the macro rhythm of that particular example

i haven't really said much about (and have more or less agreed with you, although it doesn't bother me the way it does you) assessment of keef having an off-beat flow.

has it ever occurred to you guys that a) some rappers' lyrics aren't really flattered by being typed up or read and b) gucci is one such rapper?

― weingar management (some dude), Thursday, July 30, 2009 9:37 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

is that supposed to be a 'lol how things have changed' thing or what

^^^doesnt see the frozen crystals when he hits the cigarillo

Baking soda, 'iola whipping

cool beans, using music theory to differentiate between a flow being off & placement of words on the beat has somehow magically become about how i think keef is a genius doing rhythmic summersaults over his inspirations.

whatever makes u lol

you're the one throwing around words like "masterful" dog, people here are generally using the terms you introduced to the convo much more than they're putting words in your mouth

and for the record i never hated on gucci when he was in his prime (as exemplified by you delivering that when trying to find proof that i did) and i still believe that not all good rappers' lyrics look great typed out and that that includes him

gucci's a good counterpoint to keef though in that he's thought off as this mushmouthed dude who's always high but he's just relentlessly on point with the beat

thought off = thought of

thats crazy gucci is behind the beat all the TIME. his shit is super sluggish