Finally Rich - Chief Keef

you should share these ideas on twitter

im glad weve reached the resolved state of empty zinging

not as happy as the rest of us are

that's a typical four four beat. keef's vocals might start on one, or the + of 4, but they might be at the beginning of one, or the end of one, which makes them feel slightly "off

lol is this not true of all writing? you can enter the line wherever & however, cf Betty Carter's virtuoso phrasing on standards like "The Trolley Song." the question is whether you are singing/rapping either in the rhythm or in a counter-rhythm that fits (toasting I think does a lot of this)

idk it's just incomprehensible to me that a person with as many years listening to and thinking hard about rap PLUS pretty deep jazz engagement can hear that Keef verse and call it "masterful" instead of "terrible"

the twitter suggestion was not a zing

fuckin ODB sounds more in control of where and how he diverges from the beat than Keef imo

This thread is making me want to listen to "Stress" by Organized Konfusion

lol is this not true of all writing? you can enter the line wherever & however, cf Betty Carter's virtuoso phrasing on standards like "The Trolley Song." the question is whether you are singing/rapping either in the rhythm or in a counter-rhythm that fits (toasting I think does a lot of this)

― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, January 2, 2013 12:24 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

of course, but some entrances are more common than others & the reason this particular example stands out is b/c he's using a pretty unconventional entrance—not sure entirely what else is going on but the effect is both disorienting but controlled.

the fact that we're picking this particular example to death makes it seem like im making a big deal out of nothing so i'm going to assert again that this isn't an argument that this is some game-changing verse or that the world is different now, just that its a cool / novel flow & sounds like he's actually quite aware of how rhythm functions

if we could stop confusing 'rhythm' with 'precision' that would be nice tho

i feel like you're the only person who's really focused on the Big Lean song, most of what's been said about his verse there can be said of many of his songs

keef just sounds entirely offbeat in a bad way on that big lean track, esp compared to most of his tracks

This thread made me put on some Birdman.

this thread is a thing of wonder

keef just sounds entirely offbeat in a bad way on that big lean track

it really sounds like an engineer issue (ie consistently off), otherwise i don't even know.

i feel like you're the only person who's really focused on the Big Lean song, most of what's been said about his verse there can be said of many of his songs

― some dude, Wednesday, January 2, 2013 2:50 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

WHICH IS WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 2 COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS

...AT THE SAME DAMN TIME

lmao

most delayed pay-off to a thread ever

Damn we are setting the bar high this year

I'm pretty sure deej has referred to three separate pairs of ideas as "two different things" itt, rhetorical hemiola y'all

it's funny how this "this is technically terrible wtf!" vs. "you just don't get it maaaaaan" argument never gets old

these bitches love hemiola

My dear young man, don't take it too hard. Your work is ingenious. It's quality work. And there are simply too many notes, that's all. Just cut a few and it will be perfect.

lol number none

lol mookie

can we talk about how keef has 19 variations of "like i'm kobe"

http://rapgenius.com/Chief-keef-kobe-lyrics

but never once does a play on words about kobe beef

yeah but the whole song is kobe bryant references, not wordplay variations on the theme right?

well yeah, but like you'd think since he'd wanna switch it up after the 20th time he said Kobe

I read verses like that and then I think of things like "Put Your Hands Where My Eyes Can See" and really I just wonder where it all went wrong (kind of want to blame Black Rob)

whiney did u just actually cite rapgenius

lol, i was hoping ppl would click on some of the great explanations

Omg that tip is super pro

(kind of want to blame Black Rob)

fuck you "whoa" is a classic

yeah wth

haha i was going through some of the rap EOY lists and was v surprised to find black rob there (and it was decent too)

why would you want keef to make a kobe beef pun?

next time i have a job i'm gonna say i'm sick with hemiola and see whether anyone bothers to look it up

ahahahahahahaha

the hemiola thing reminds me of when NPR did a feature on the appoggiatura in Adele's "Someone Like You"

try to tap a hemiola w/ both your hands, it's p hard to get the timing right

meaning, three even beats in the time the other hand does two even beats

if you want a peek into the musical mind of Chief Keef try patting your head with one hand while rubbing your tummy with the other one

my flow sick, call it hemiola

if you want a peek into the musical mind of Chief Keef try patting your head with one hand while rubbing your tummy with the other one

― Sri Harold Klemp (crüt), Wednesday, January 2, 2013 5:12 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

try tapping two beats for each HAWHAWHAW while you yuk it up

;]

try to tap a hemiola w/ both your hands, it's p hard to get the timing right

No it isn't! If you have problems with that type of basic rhythmic figure you may not have any business calling yourself a musician.

if you aren't a musician it kind of is, w/out practice! are you really tapping that three evenly? (fwiw this argument has nothing to do w/ keef at this point)

drummers learning to keep time w/ each hand independent is one of the big challenges of drumming iirc?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM4yACHcI1E

this sounds dope imo

it's really easy if you just think in 6/8 time. right hand beats 1-3-5-, left hand beats 1--4-- xp

it's hard for me to judge how difficult it is to learn to play the 3/2 rhythm because I've known how to play it for so long & it seems so natural to me, but really, it is one of the most basic rhythms used in music, and knowing how to play it is beginner-level stuff. it's not like playing 5 or 7.

xpost rev otm, it's just a simple division of 6 beats.

it's really easy if you just think in 6/8 time. right hand beats 1-3-5-, left hand beats 1--4-- xp

^^^^ this is exactly why the "it's different beats" argument makes no sense

dude i never claimed it was 'complex'