Puta Madre! The Pedro Almodovar Poll

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I think I have to go for Live Flesh, which is both an over-the-top genre film and an emotionally mature story.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 4 February 2009 18:57 (eleven years ago) link

Though I wish someone will vote for Labyrinth of Passion and What Have I Done to Deserve This? too, since they're among the funniest and funnest movies I've ever seen.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 4 February 2009 19:03 (eleven years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Wednesday, 18 February 2009 00:01 (eleven years ago) link

Vote!

The Screaming Lobster of Challops (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 February 2009 00:09 (eleven years ago) link

I generally don't like his films, but Matador was a good one.

abanana, Wednesday, 18 February 2009 00:16 (eleven years ago) link

I watched Dark Habits last week, now I've seen all of Almodovar's feature films except Volver and Pepi, Luci, Bom. It was a weird film even for Almodovar's standards, despite some over-the-top elements (nuns taking heroin, a live tiger kept in a monastery) it felt kinda low-key and melancholic, moreso than I would've expected for an 80s Almodovar. A few great scenes there, but overall it wasn't among my favourites.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 18 February 2009 00:23 (eleven years ago) link

I think it would be easier to choose his worst movie, which is no doubt Kika. All the other 90s films are universally good though, that was a great decade for him.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 18 February 2009 00:28 (eleven years ago) link

Has anyone here seen Pepi, Luci, Bom? Is it worth watching? I'm usually kinda wary of debut films...

Tuomas, Wednesday, 18 February 2009 00:35 (eleven years ago) link

In my head, recently, All About My Mother and Live Flesh were tied as my favourites. Everything since those two I've had problems with, esp. Talk To Her for similar reasons as Zoe. But I saw Live Flesh again the other day and its melodrama seemed much emptier than it did in my memory. So I voted for All About My Mother, and am scared of watching it again. I remember watching it on a summer's night at the Dalston Rio and skipping out feeling like Kingsland High St was Barcelona.

Alba, Wednesday, 18 February 2009 00:41 (eleven years ago) link

Live Flesh dragged.

The Screaming Lobster of Challops (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 February 2009 15:22 (eleven years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Thursday, 19 February 2009 00:01 (eleven years ago) link

i'm sad that pepi, luci, bom... was left out. that's actually one of my top almodóvar movies. (those todo sobre mi madre is top for me.)

xpost yes, definitely check out pepi, luci, bom. it's kind of ridiculous, but it fits perfectly with what was going on in madrid at the time, la movida. hilarious. also, it's got alaska in it!

art hums, Thursday, 19 February 2009 01:17 (eleven years ago) link

Tie Me Up! Tie Me Down! was the beginning of his nineties slump. Who picked this?!

The Screaming Lobster of Challops (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 February 2009 01:18 (eleven years ago) link

I surprised that Women on the Verge didn't get more votes, it would have been my pick.

Moodles, Thursday, 19 February 2009 02:33 (eleven years ago) link

I think people voted for the one they saw, assuming All About My Mother is the most widely seen one. I've seen his 5 most recent and AAMM is the weakest for my money, but still quite good. Volver, La Mala Educación, Talk to Her, Live Flesh all GREAT

DJ Mr. Face Stabba, M.D. (Whitey on the Moon), Thursday, 19 February 2009 04:00 (eleven years ago) link

What makes you think AMMM is the most widely seen? Volver was on at my local multiplex for ages and seemed by far biggest platform release so far, and got a huge boost when Penelope Cruz was nominated for an Oscar in it.

Alba, Thursday, 19 February 2009 11:23 (eleven years ago) link

wau... am I only seeing half this thread? where does zoe outline why she dislikes talk to her?

cozwn, Thursday, 19 February 2009 11:37 (eleven years ago) link

Wednesday, 4 February 2009 17:08

Alba, Thursday, 19 February 2009 11:40 (eleven years ago) link

weird, I logged out and it showed up

bizarre

cozwn, Thursday, 19 February 2009 11:41 (eleven years ago) link

six months pass...

Have any of our European friends seen Abrazos Rotos yet? It doesn't come out in the US till December :/ Such a long lag time!

send a hilarious message or make a "wild" statement (Whitey on the Moon), Saturday, 12 September 2009 18:28 (ten years ago) link

two months pass...

just watched the charlie rose interview w/ pedro & penelope cruz ~ nice that almodovar said he's more enthusiastic abt making movies than ever before

cant tell if broken embraces is gonna catch on/get distributed as much as volver

johnny crunch, Sunday, 22 November 2009 17:26 (ten years ago) link

Charlie Rose comes on at 1 am over here.

bamcquern, Sunday, 22 November 2009 18:44 (ten years ago) link

old movies vs new movies

warmsherry, Sunday, 22 November 2009 19:18 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, it kind of was. No votes for Flower of My Secret.

bamcquern, Sunday, 22 November 2009 19:20 (ten years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Broken Embraces was sorta like bad de Palma.

Feingold/Kaptur 2012 (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 12:34 (ten years ago) link

two weeks pass...

sadly, ^this is kinda true; 'girls and suitcases' is a great title tho, and seemed more interesting than the rest of the plot

johnny crunch, Saturday, 26 December 2009 04:55 (ten years ago) link

that's cuz it was women on teh verge!

reagan & sarah (s1ocki), Saturday, 26 December 2009 17:30 (ten years ago) link

hey Bad Education is maybe even better than I remembered.

Rage, Resentment, Spleen (Dr Morbius), Friday, 1 January 2010 01:47 (ten years ago) link

so great

Underrated half-assterpiece (Matt P), Friday, 1 January 2010 01:50 (ten years ago) link

rented 'talk to her' last weekend but didn't get to see it :(

watched the scott walker documentary and part of 'our hitler' instead

Underrated half-assterpiece (Matt P), Friday, 1 January 2010 01:51 (ten years ago) link

watched what have i done to deserve this? - it's good!

seeing as ive only seen the top-3 finishers in this poll (plus broken embraces) im planning to gradually go thru the rest in the near future

johnny crunch, Monday, 4 January 2010 22:47 (ten years ago) link

Broken Embraces was engaging but somewhat anticlimactic.

Hoisin Murphy (jaymc), Monday, 4 January 2010 23:00 (ten years ago) link

What is the best movie to see Rossy de Palma in?

all the early ones.

Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 4 January 2010 23:07 (ten years ago) link

one month passes...

Really enjoyed Broken Embraces but sort of struggled to defend it to the (not impressed) friend I'd seen it with

"I get through more mojitos.." (bear, bear, bear), Thursday, 4 February 2010 08:35 (ten years ago) link

eleven months pass...

Has anyone seen Kika? It looks really quirky/awesome/etc (plus Rossy de Palma!) but I'm worried I'd find this whole lolrapey thing really really uncomfortable

vienn?tta (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 30 January 2011 17:04 (nine years ago) link

I saw it a looooooooong time ago, can't really remember squat.

Feeling really uncomfortable is not always/usually a bad thing.

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 30 January 2011 17:29 (nine years ago) link

His worst nineties film: mannered and clammy.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 30 January 2011 18:23 (nine years ago) link

yea hte lolrapey stuff is uncomfortable, in not a good way imo

johnny crunch, Sunday, 30 January 2011 18:27 (nine years ago) link

I suppose the vagaries of international casting demanded that Peter Coyote get cast in a non-English role

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 30 January 2011 18:29 (nine years ago) link

I saw Kika and Bitter Moon back to back in spring '94 and thought that Jeremy Irons was finally getting competition in the masochistic lech department.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 30 January 2011 18:30 (nine years ago) link

four months pass...

i watched dark habits, not great but g-ddamn look at this poster

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/df/Entre_Tinieblas.jpg

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 14 June 2011 22:06 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

I'm kind of obsessed with the trailer for The Skin I Live In

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GO9Nd92B5k

Alba, Sunday, 24 July 2011 22:02 (eight years ago) link

three months pass...

And singer Buika is in the movie

Buika--Afro-Spanish Singer (Who's more than just one of NPR's "50 Great Voices")

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 17:43 (eight years ago) link

Anyone watched The Skin I'm In yet? I'm dubious.

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 18:24 (eight years ago) link

*Skin I Live In

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 18:24 (eight years ago) link

Nope, and I haven't read the book its adapted from either a Thierry Jonquet novel.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 19:07 (eight years ago) link

i'm kind of mixed on this dude, but the new one looks pretty intriguing.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 21:35 (eight years ago) link

I liked it. Nice and twisted.

Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 21:45 (eight years ago) link

i watched 'the flower of my secret' tnight, odd one; i liked it but w some reservations

johnny crunch, Thursday, 21 March 2019 02:51 (one year ago) link

I've wondered how audiences would accept Talk to Her's premise in 2019; I own it but haven't watched it in years.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 21 March 2019 03:02 (one year ago) link

I gave it to a friend for her birthday recently, knowing nothing about it besides Almodovar. She was... a little perplexed

flappy bird, Thursday, 21 March 2019 03:25 (one year ago) link

I just had a copy lying around and thought that was the one that won an Oscar, and how much safer can you get?

flappy bird, Thursday, 21 March 2019 03:26 (one year ago) link

I watched "Talk to Her" for the first time maybe 6 years ago and HAAAAATED it

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 21 March 2019 13:48 (one year ago) link

I should prob rewatch it but I found it p repugnant and lacking all of the verve and flourish that I loved

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 21 March 2019 13:49 (one year ago) link

Almodovar is ... not my favorite director.

zama roma ding dong (Eric H.), Thursday, 21 March 2019 13:59 (one year ago) link

The eighties films remain wonderful entertainments, and his late '90s comeback was cool. I don't fault straight critics for not realizing that his genuine affection for female performers rests on a homosexual's idea of feminine comportment, filtered through decades of telenovelas and Joan Crawford flicks.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 21 March 2019 14:17 (one year ago) link

Don't fault this gay critic (sic) for his genuine affection for Bad Education over anything else he's seen by Almodovar.

zama roma ding dong (Eric H.), Thursday, 21 March 2019 14:23 (one year ago) link

gay critic (sick)

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 21 March 2019 14:25 (one year ago) link

five months pass...

Went to see Pain & Glory / Dolor y Gloria last night and really liked it. Amazingly this was the first of his films I've ever seen. Pleased and surprised to spot/hear Rosalía in it very briefly.

brain (krakow), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 12:51 (ten months ago) link

The only thing I disliked were the graphics. I loved the set of difficult conversations between son and mother. Really powerful.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 12:58 (ten months ago) link

Do you mean the computer animated interlude describing Salvador's ailments early on? I couldn't help but laugh at that, as well as with it.

Yep, the later bits with his mother were good. There were several very emotional scenes that worked really well for me, especially revolving around the 'Addiction' performance. I liked the relatively quiet restraint of it all, even in those moments.

brain (krakow), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 13:21 (ten months ago) link

Yeah that interlude.

I liked the calculated restraint of 'addiction'. More in the prep for it than the actual performance as shown.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 13:25 (ten months ago) link

has this gotten US distro yet?

I rewatched Broken Embraces yesterday and it's even better than I remember, imo his best

flappy bird, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 17:02 (ten months ago) link

*not yesterday, recently- along with many others

flappy bird, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 17:03 (ten months ago) link

It plays at a local Miami fest the first week of October.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 17:03 (ten months ago) link

Yeah, this is really good. And it might finally get people to take late depressed Almodovar seriously, that is, everything after Volver. I agree, Broken Embraces might be his best.

Frederik B, Friday, 30 August 2019 11:32 (ten months ago) link

I watched Live Flesh last night, which more than any other of his I've seen felt like a precursor to Broken Embraces.

flappy bird, Friday, 30 August 2019 16:32 (ten months ago) link

ah we're getting Pain & Glory in October! fantastic

flappy bird, Friday, 30 August 2019 16:58 (ten months ago) link

one month passes...

Just finished a wee run of four of his latter films at the local independent cinema over the last month (All About My Mother, Talk To Her, Volver, The Skin I Live In) that tied in with his 70th birthday and the release of Pain & Glory, which I saw just before these. I also saw Women On The Verge Of A Nervous Breakdown on Mubi last week.

I liked them all, but Volver was probably my favourite. All About My Mother won in terms of pure emotion and was the one that made me cry in the cinema. Talk To Her pitched the weird, dark comedy aspects perfectly. I really enjoyed The Skin I Live In, but something about it didn't quite work for me. Women On The Verge Of A Nervous Breakdown was funny, but felt a bit messy and light (?) in direct comparison to all those later films - it was really interesting to see the development from there through All About My Mother and into the 2000's though.

Right now I'd vote for Volver from what I've seen if this poll reran.

brain (krakow), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 10:18 (nine months ago) link

Check out Broken Embraces, imo his best & oft overlooked

flappy bird, Wednesday, 2 October 2019 22:26 (nine months ago) link

I watched The Skin I'm In again last night, and, well, nope: still a stiff. I prefer my Pedro with jokes and camp; when he's serious, his films linger on the unpleasantness (confining women, rape, etc). This seems to happen every couple decades. In the nineties he beached himself between High Heels and All About My Mother with dreary melodramas where the resin's drained from the tree.

Anyway, the new one makes its South Florida debut next week at a festival.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 22:30 (nine months ago) link

Yeah, The Skin I'm In seems extremely unpleasant to me as well.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 2 October 2019 22:39 (nine months ago) link

I dug it but Broken Embraces is much less schticky, p much just a straight noir, very compelling

flappy bird, Thursday, 3 October 2019 00:57 (nine months ago) link

Antonio Banderas is warm and wary and watchful in a way he's never been; he deserves the acclaim. His scene with the ex-lover is poignant. Otherwise, I can't explain the acclaim for this second-tier Almodovar other than critics are suckers for films about films.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 October 2019 01:17 (eight months ago) link

are you referring to Pain and Glory?

Dan S, Thursday, 10 October 2019 01:22 (eight months ago) link

yeah

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 October 2019 01:23 (eight months ago) link

This; plus the borrowing from Taste of Cherry in the last shot.

Anne Hedonia (j.lu), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 00:12 (eight months ago) link

just got out of P&G, really enjoyed it. wasn't like rapturously engaged or crying thru the closing credits - just engaged and interested and sympathetic the whole way. i appreciated the loose-threadyness of it - "loose" in something like the way "messy" is used as a compliment. the ex-lover scene was the high point for sure but there was a lot of great stuff.

weird ilx but sb (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 01:32 (eight months ago) link

xp Whoa!

Seeing this in a week

flappy bird, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 02:00 (eight months ago) link

Really liked it. Circuitous and laconic and reflective. Not the sort of career spanning, packed with references to prior films sort of movie I was expecting, but a very good Almodóvar movie, probably his best since Broken Embraces in 2009.

This is pedantic but the ending doesn't borrow from Taste of Cherry - that would be like if the final dolly back to reveal the movie set also revealed Almodóvar himself at work, coaching Banderas. Kiarostami's appearance at the end of Taste of Cherry, where we see them making the movie we've just watched, is different than this more common film-within-a-film thing going on here.

It's nice to have another Almodóvar movie where he just sort of takes his time and it's not plot beat after plot beat. Oddly, in this way it reminded me most of I'm So Excited!!, which isn't really good otherwise.

flappy bird, Sunday, 20 October 2019 22:28 (eight months ago) link

I disagree: the last 45 minutes consisted of his minder, lover, and Alberto expressing their gratitude toward him, hence my relief when his mom said, "You were a disappointment."

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 20 October 2019 22:36 (eight months ago) link

the biggest laugh of the movie

with a less charismatic and self-effacing actor/performance, I probably would've found the Autofiction 101 irritating. but I enjoyed watching Banderas call into his own Q&A high on heroin wearing gigantic sunglasses. he's really funny in this, I found the character endearing enough to hang.

flappy bird, Monday, 21 October 2019 03:39 (eight months ago) link

five months pass...

Thanks, an interesting read. Let me know if you happen to spot the Spanish version anywhere.

brain (krakow), Thursday, 9 April 2020 12:49 (three months ago) link

Sorry, even the most cursory google would suffice to find it: https://www.eldiario.es/autores/pedro_almodovar/

brain (krakow), Thursday, 9 April 2020 12:51 (three months ago) link

two months pass...

I'd got an email the other week that Pain & Glory was being added to Mubi on 19th June, but it didn't mention that it's actually part of a deal with Pathé that is going to add a whole bunch of Almodóvar films (and other stuff of course):

https://www.screendaily.com/news/mubi-strikes-uk-ireland-content-deal-with-pathe-exclusive/5150678.article

The Almodóvar titles mentioned...

All About My Mother (Pedro Almodóvar, 1999)
Bad Education (Pedro Almodóvar, 2004)
I’m So Excited (Pedro Almodóvar, 2013)
Live Flesh (Pedro Almodóvar, 1997)
Los Abrazos Rotos (Pedro Almodóvar, 2009)
Pain & Glory (Pedro Almodóvar, 2019)
Talk To Her (Pedro Almodóvar, 2002)
The Skin I Live In (Pedro Almodóvar, 2011)
Tie Me Up, Tie Me Down (Pedro Almodóvar, 1989)
Volver (Pedro Almodóvar, 2006)

A good few I've not seen, so excellent news for me.

brain (krakow), Tuesday, 16 June 2020 12:14 (three weeks ago) link


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