OK, is this the worst piece of music writing ever?

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it's da bomb

Rolling "2 chainz" draadje (The Reverend), Sunday, 30 December 2012 02:59 (eleven years ago) link

I'd like to think so! Like it even better if he just spewed keyboard graffiti all over his hated ones; (!#)))>\d1-->fuk I know some of yall are more creative w it

dow, Sunday, 30 December 2012 03:04 (eleven years ago) link

In my line of work only deans get to decree whether anything is neither here nor there

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 30 December 2012 04:00 (eleven years ago) link

(thanks guys. a novel! by me! you are all so nice <3)

wouldn't a single bomb imply it being THE bomb, though

maura, Sunday, 30 December 2012 15:20 (eleven years ago) link

"productionally"? ...yes, terrible piece of writing.

Doctor Flange, Sunday, 30 December 2012 16:04 (eleven years ago) link

Samantha Fox reviews The Fall, 1986.

http://dangerousminds.net/content/uploads/images/37735076264sam1.jpg

Stop Gerrying Me! (onimo), Thursday, 3 January 2013 12:36 (eleven years ago) link

what's wrong with that?

besides Sunny Real Estate (dog latin), Thursday, 3 January 2013 12:42 (eleven years ago) link

Mark Smith doesn't yodel on that song
It doesn't rip off a Peter Gunn guitar bit
She listens to half a song then moans about a different band
The Smiths are not this "sort of group" when this sort is The Fall
The Smiths lyric is wrong
"I heard one the other while"

Stop Gerrying Me! (onimo), Thursday, 3 January 2013 12:51 (eleven years ago) link

The Smiths lyric is wrong

attempt to look intentionally nerdy, awkward or (thomp), Thursday, 3 January 2013 12:56 (eleven years ago) link

I am just going to type all of the Wire's '2012 Rewind' issue in here. Particularly though Tony Herrington's bit about the diaspora of African-American archetype invoked in DJ Spinn's 'Teklife 2'.

attempt to look intentionally nerdy, awkward or (thomp), Thursday, 3 January 2013 12:58 (eleven years ago) link

Sam Foxes are the art of pretend forgetfulness

Sounds like something Maria Carey would of rejected (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 3 January 2013 13:05 (eleven years ago) link

There is totally a yodelly bit in "Living Too Late". Two, I think.
It does sound a bit "Peter Gunn"-y too, I can see what she means, though I agree rip-off would be a bit strong.
From Sam's POV, The Smiths and The Fall are probably the same sort of group, I might have said the same thing in 1986 (1986 would probably have been the year when I got close enough to indie to start thinking about the subgenres as not the same sort of music).
This isn't music writing, it's music chat.
"I heard one the other while" is very likely mis-transcription for "I heard one the other day, while..."

I'm on Sam's side in this one.

Tim, Thursday, 3 January 2013 13:25 (eleven years ago) link

It's a basically accurate piece, and I like the style too.

s.clover, Thursday, 3 January 2013 14:22 (eleven years ago) link

He fails badly at a couple of high notes, I don't think that counts at trying to yodel.
Peter Gunn is very distinctive, the Fall track is distinctively not like it, though I too can see what she means - it's a perfect example of a lazy reference from a bad reviewer.
"From x's POV" is every review ever - people shouldn't get a free pass for being wrong

I know it isn't supposed to be proper music writing - I saw it on Dangerous Minds and it amused me and it reminded me of this thread.

I do get (slightly) annoyed when people who can't write and have no interest in a genre are asked to write reviews just because they have huge tits are famous.

Stop Gerrying Me! (onimo), Thursday, 3 January 2013 14:26 (eleven years ago) link

naughty girls review records, too

GIMME SOME REGGAE (DJP), Thursday, 3 January 2013 14:36 (eleven years ago) link

xp So that's what Stylus's letter-graded system referred to...

besides Sunny Real Estate (dog latin), Thursday, 3 January 2013 14:38 (eleven years ago) link

I think "he sounds like he's been having yodelling lessons" is a pleasingly accurate reflection of what happens at 1:13 and 2:26 in "Living Too Late".

"Peter Gunn" is a perfectly sensible reference, too - the two twangy lines are not identical but clearly similar enough to merit a comparison.

Sam's not wrong in saying that the Smiths and The Fall are different sorts of music, she's right - they are both alternative rock. Now you (and I) may be close enough to see the many subdivisions in alternative rock, and with that perspective (and the benefit of a quarter of a century of hindsight) they may sound like different sorts of music. You (or I) don't need to be a specialist or an expert to have a valid opinion. I think Sam's opinions here are valid, although not particularly interesting.

The worst thing to have come out of this exchange is my having listened to "Living Too Late". I remember liking it, this morning I'd have told you I liked it, and I now think it is really, really terrible.

Tim, Thursday, 3 January 2013 14:45 (eleven years ago) link

Sam did herself a favour by taking the damnable thing off at half time, and it's not like anything happens in the second half of the record to change a person's mind about it, is it?

Tim, Thursday, 3 January 2013 14:47 (eleven years ago) link

I am sorry for spoiling Duane Eddy's yodelling Smithsesque classic for you.

Stop Gerrying Me! (onimo), Thursday, 3 January 2013 14:48 (eleven years ago) link

So you should be, what with you being placed here to rep for that sort of music.

Tim, Thursday, 3 January 2013 14:49 (eleven years ago) link

Wish I stopped @ Luigi Nono's music was never going to change the world. A travesty.

Some of the other entries are terrible too.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 3 January 2013 15:17 (eleven years ago) link

I'm scared to read that

~farben~ (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 3 January 2013 16:30 (eleven years ago) link

the thing I like about the smiths comparison is the fall sometimes sounds nothing like the smiths, but that track does sound something like the smiths. and the lyrics are more smithslike than other fall tracks too. and i love the smiths lyrics in that review!

s.clover, Thursday, 3 January 2013 19:00 (eleven years ago) link

mark e was always my favourite one of the smiths

Albert Crampus (NickB), Thursday, 3 January 2013 19:10 (eleven years ago) link

Imagine a duet of mark e and Morrisey---a mash-up maybe---?

dow, Thursday, 3 January 2013 19:12 (eleven years ago) link

M-o-r-r-i-s-s-ey, that is (what, ah, you. ah, mmmeaan-ah----to me.)(that's my mark e imitation)

dow, Thursday, 3 January 2013 19:14 (eleven years ago) link

we did the sam fox thing up thread already?

jazbay crostata (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 3 January 2013 19:15 (eleven years ago) link

I read somewhere that Morrissey couldn't stand being in the same room as MES bcz the latter always insisted in calling the former by his birth name Stephen (MES-is-a-prick-shockah)

x-gau, uncut gau, The Bomb! (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 3 January 2013 19:22 (eleven years ago) link

Samantha Fox is such a wild dame.

this will surprise many (Nicole), Thursday, 3 January 2013 20:35 (eleven years ago) link

I think of Shiftwork as the Fall's 'Smiths' record

~farben~ (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 3 January 2013 20:38 (eleven years ago) link

maybe he was mad they named their band after him.

s.clover, Thursday, 3 January 2013 21:04 (eleven years ago) link

This is written in defense of Holopaw. The band has simply put too much time, love and care into their new record for this type of thing to occur.
In disheartening form, Paste Magazine published a snarky review of Holopaw's new Misra release, however, they clearly listened to the concept album in the wrong order. It's fair enough if the widely read publication doesn't take to the "unevenly epic Academy Songs, Volume I," however, it's not fair to criticize an album as "uneven" when you haven't even bothered to listen to it in the correct order.

In reading the Holopaw review, it seems Paste writer Beca Grimm spent little time with Academy, downloaded it incorrectly, and clearly didn't care to read the track order that accompanied the promo. Grimm writes:

"Academy" sparks with John Orth's cherub vocals as flint. Tiny embers glow quietly, transitioning into the demure, hotly narrative "Bedfellows Farewell."

But then a hiccup. Surely the band included "Chapperelles Interlude" in an effort to set the very deliberate, scholastic stage. Following hot on the heels, "Diamonds" comes off almost like a parody of the nostalgia Academy tries so hard to maintain. It doesn't work.

This review doesn't work. The song "Academy" does not transition into "Bedfellows Farewell," "Bedfellows Farewell" does not transition into "Chapperelles Interlude," and "Diamonds" does not "follow hot on the heels" of the latter. From there, Grimm goes on to further illustrate that she listened to the new concept album incorrectly and, in turn, issued an inaccurate, unfair assessment. Perhaps Grimm wouldn't find Academy Songs, Volume I lacks in "the final burst of tenacity needed to alleviate the audio blue balls it conjures" if it was listened to correctly? Then again, perhaps not, but Paste and Grimm don't even bother to give Holopaw a fighting chance here.

When you pour your heart into a new record and spend months and months preparing for its release, it's obviously disheartening to read a snarky review. Nonetheless, in requesting criticism, this misfortune is expected from time-to-time. What's not expected is that a widely read and highly influential publication will avoid taking proper time and care with your release.

When painstaking hours of hard work are tossed to the wayside in such a lackluster manner it's enough to put you on the defense. Really, what does this say about the trusted voices of music criticism?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 13:48 (eleven years ago) link

layers within layers of steaming gibberish

Eyeball Kicks, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 13:50 (eleven years ago) link

"Academy" "Bedfellows Farewell" "Chapperelles Interlude" "Diamonds"

Looks like the reviewer listened to the tracks in alphabetical order - the download prob didn't have tracks numbers and played in file-name order.

Stop Gerrying Me! (onimo), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 13:53 (eleven years ago) link

"trusted voices of music criticism"

s.clover, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 14:01 (eleven years ago) link

it's never nice to hear you conjured audio blue balls

da croupier, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 14:05 (eleven years ago) link

ok this whole review would be a wow even if the author had listened to the tracks in order

http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2013/01/holopaw-academy-songs-volume-1.html

can remember twice when I experienced snow in Florida. The first time feels hazy—I recall stuffing my sparkly bangled arms into thick, magenta coat sleeves for the occasion but not much else. The second remains crystal: I stood outside a Tallahassee liquor store the day after Christmas two years ago. A Miami native and FLA-all-day gal, my mom looked around puzzled, a bottle of Bombay Sapphire fisted. “Ash?” she asked me. “Weird to be doing a controlled burn in the winter.”

da croupier, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 14:09 (eleven years ago) link

poor holopaw

Mordy, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 14:12 (eleven years ago) link

it's nice to know that the brent d-era pitchfork style lives on after deletion

da croupier, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 14:13 (eleven years ago) link

i can confirm that this holopaw album is less than impressive

Mordy, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 14:52 (eleven years ago) link

d'uh THAT was the concept.

pandemic, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 14:55 (eleven years ago) link

oooweee
Academy" sparks with John Orth's cherub vocals as flint. Tiny embers glow quietly, transitioning into the demure, hotly narrative "Bedfellows Farewell."

dow, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 15:04 (eleven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

I'm sure this guy has his fans and making an effort is better in principle than hacky boilerplate but sweet Jesus no.

http://thequietus.com/articles/11264-my-bloody-valentine-live-review

Deafening silence (DL), Thursday, 31 January 2013 10:38 (eleven years ago) link

haha he is overreaching somewhat

Eyeball Kicks, Thursday, 31 January 2013 10:42 (eleven years ago) link

"jungle love"

Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 31 January 2013 10:44 (eleven years ago) link

holy shit. i obviously fast-forwarded to the end, which was even worse than i had imagined.

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 31 January 2013 10:45 (eleven years ago) link

I mean he can obviously write and there are some good sentences but that ending is unforgivable. Also, the meaningful epigraph thing has been done to death.

Deafening silence (DL), Thursday, 31 January 2013 10:47 (eleven years ago) link

"teenhood"

Ballboy to Afghanistan (LocalGarda), Thursday, 31 January 2013 10:50 (eleven years ago) link

His style's given to hyperbole and flights of fancy, but JC's a good sort in my book.

dog latin, Thursday, 31 January 2013 11:17 (eleven years ago) link

The sort of writing that helped hasten the end of Melody Maker in the nineties.

Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Thursday, 31 January 2013 12:24 (eleven years ago) link


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