rolling fantasy, science fiction, speculative fiction &c. thread

that mchugh book sounds really good.

Nevertheless, McHugh reminds us that human beings, no matter how changed their social circumstances, will always be riven by neurosis, greed and the kind of moral emptiness that can only be achieved by a species that claims to be otherwise.

Cheery lass then.

there is a guy who has been bringing in records and we got to talking about books and i told him how i wanted to dig into the roots of SF but that i had a hard time finding Blackwood collections and the like in used stores around here and he GAVE me these today. his copies. he does most of his reading on the kindle these days. so nice! what a great surprise xmas gift. oh and he gave me a 1000 page Ellison doorstop which will be handy if i need to attack burglars or something. weighs a ton.

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is the guy canadian by any chance? all of those are public domain in canada except the ellison.

Got that LeFanu. Cover is ripe for Gilliam style animation.

Those all look amazing, drool drool. Several writers I need to check out more. My library has this, hope to start it soon:

Great Tales of Science Fiction
by Robert Silverberg (Editor), Martin H. Greenberg (Editor)
3.59 of 5 stars 3.59 · rating details · 17 ratings · 2 reviews
Introduction · Robert Silverberg
Mellonta Tauta · Edgar Allan Poe · Godey’s Lady’s Book Feb, 1849
In the Year 2889 · Jules Verne · The Forum Feb, 1889
Sold to Satan [written Jan 1904] · Mark Twain · Europe & Elsewhere, Harper Bros., 1923
The New Accelerator · H.G. Wells · The Strand Dec ’01
Finis · Frank Lillie Pollock · Argosy Jun ’06
As Easy as A.B.C. · Rudyard Kipling · The London Magazine Mar ’12
Dark Lot of One Saul · M.P. Shiel · The Grand Magazine Feb ’12
R.U.R. · Karel Capek · 1921
The Tissue-Culture King · Julian Huxley · Yale Review Apr ’26
The Metal Man · Jack Williamson · Amazing Dec ’28
The Gostak and the Doshes · Miles J. Breuer · Amazing Mar ’30
Alas, All Thinking! · Harry Bates · Astounding Jun ’35
The Mad Moon · Stanley G. Weinbaum · Astounding Dec ’35
As Never Was · P. Schuyler Miller · Astounding Jan ’44
Desertion/City · Clifford D. Simak · Astounding Nov ’44
The Strange Case of John Kingman · Murray Leinster · Astounding May ’48
Dreams Are Sacred · Peter Phillips · Astounding Sep ’48
Misbegotten Missionary · Isaac Asimov · Galaxy Nov ’50
Dune Roller · Julian May · Astounding Dec ’51
Warm · Robert Sheckley · Galaxy Jun ’53
A Bad Day for Sales · Fritz Leiber · Galaxy Jul ’53
Man of Parts · Horace L. Gold · 9 Tales of Space & Time, ed. Raymond J. Healey, Holt, 1954
The Man Who Came Early · Poul Anderson · F&SF Jun ’56
The Burning of the Brain · Cordwainer Smith · If Oct ’58
The Men Who Murdered Mohammed · Alfred Bester · F&SF Oct ’58
The Man Who Lost the Sea · Theodore Sturgeon · F&SF Oct ’59
Goodlife/Berserker · Fred Saberhagen · Worlds of Tomorrow 12/63
The Sliced-Crosswise Only-On-Tuesday World · Philip José Farmer · New Dimensions I, ed Robert Silverberg, Doubleday, 1971
Gehenna · Barry N. Malzberg · Galaxy Mar ’71
A Meeting with Medusa · Arthur C. Clarke · Playboy Dec ’71
Painwise · James Tiptree, Jr · F&SF Feb ’72
Nobody’s Home · Joanna Russ · New Dimensions II, ed. Robert Silverberg, Doubleday, 1972
Think Only This of Me · Michael J. Kurland · Galaxy Nov ’73
Capricorn Games · Robert Silverberg · The Far Side of Time, ed. Roger Elwood, Dodd Mead, 1974
The Author of the Acacia Seeds & Other Extracts from the Journal of the Association of Therolinguistics · Ursula Le Guin · Fellowship of the Stars, ed Terry Carr, Simon & Schuster, 1974
Doing Lennon · Gregory Benford · Analog Apr ’75(less)

Those ratings and reviews are on goodreads

wow scott

This is Damon Knight's early 60s A Century of Science Fiction, which I luved in 7th Grade. Don't know what I'd think now, and could have sworn it was in chronological order, but here's the most complete Table of Contents I've found online so far:

· Introduction · Damon Knight · in
· The Ideal [Van Manderpootz] · Stanley G. Weinbaum · ex Wonder Stories Sep ’35
· Moxon’s Master · Ambrose Bierce · ss San Francisco Examiner Apr 16, 1899
· Reason [Mike Donovan (Robot)] · Isaac Asimov · ss Astounding Apr ’41
· Who Can Replace a Man? [“But Who Can Replace a Man?”] · Brian W. Aldiss · ss Infinity Science Fiction Jun ’58
· The Time Machine [Time Machine] · H. G. Wells · ex The New Review Jan, 1895 (+4)
· Of Time and Third Avenue · Alfred Bester · ss F&SF Oct ’51
· Sail On! Sail On! · Philip José Farmer · ss Startling Stories Dec ’52
· Worlds of the Imperium [Imperium] · Keith Laumer · ex Fantastic Feb ’61 (+2)
· The Business, as Usual · Mack Reynolds · vi F&SF Jun ’52
· What’s It Like Out There? · Edmond Hamilton · nv Thrilling Wonder Stories Dec ’52
· Sky Lift · Robert A. Heinlein · ss Imagination Nov ’53
· The Star [Star of Bethlehem] · Arthur C. Clarke · ss Infinity Science Fiction Nov ’55
· The Crystal Egg · H. G. Wells · ss The New Review May, 1897
· The Wind People · Marion Zimmer Bradley · ss If Feb ’59
· Unhuman Sacrifice · Katherine MacLean · nv Astounding Nov ’58
· What Was It? · Fitz-James O’Brien · ss Harper’s Mar, 1859
· The First Days of May [France, Fiction May ’60] · Claude Veillot; trans. by Damon Knight · ss F&SF Dec ’61
· Day of Succession · Theodore L. Thomas · ss Astounding Aug ’59
· Angel’s Egg · Edgar Pangborn · nv Galaxy Jun ’51
· Another World · J.-H. Rosny-Aîné · nv Revue Parisenne, 1895
· Odd John · Olaf Stapledon · ex London: Methuen, 1935
· Call Me Joe · Poul Anderson · nv Astounding Apr ’57
· From the “London Times” of 1904 · Mark Twain · ss The Century Nov, 1898
· Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea [Nemo] · Jules Verne · ex Magasin d’Education et de Recreation Mar 20, 1869; Paris: J. Hetzel, 1869
· You Are with It! · Will Stanton · ss F&SF Dec ’61
· Cease Fire · Frank Herbert · nv Astounding Jan ’58
· Suggested Reading · Misc. ·

i think the guy that gave me these books just bought this stuff online. maybe from canada! some dover thrift editions. but i don't even see THOSE around here. and there are amazing used bookstores around here. but i'm not looking all the time. just when i think of it. and i keep an eye out.

he's a nice guy. he likes surrealism and fusion jazz. we get along well.

Keep in touch with that guy! Speaking of early writers incl in A Century of Science Fiction, just spotted Fitz-James O'Brien's The Diamond Lens as free download, referred to as a book, so apparently it's not just the one story, his best known
http://www.gutenberg.org/catalog/world/readfile?fk_files=2723613

Peeked at that McHugh collection but shied away when I saw that the first story featured zombies as a a metaphor for something. A burnt child fears the pon farr.

I mean I'm sure Ted Chiang could pull it off at this point but almost anybody else...

See what I said about Colson Whitehead's Zone One on this thread and/or the previous seasonal general What Are You Reading thread (think I said better or at least more on the latter). Gist: this novel builds on implications re consumerism/conditioning vs. changes via contagion and adaptation in Romero's Night of the Living Dead and Dawn of the Dead, with mixed results. but also a strong, increasingly well-focused tone zone of its own (and I don't usually give a shit about zombies etc. either)

But I'll bet McHugh could come up with something cogent.

re xpost the early stuff, I gotta re-read ETA Hoffman. Good All Things Considered on him this afternoon--audio isn't up just this second, but the text is: http://www.npr.org/2012/12/25/167732828/no-sugar-plums-here-the-dark-romantic-roots-of-the-nutcracker

Ha, never get used to those covers---greatest scans ever. My local library also has Tales Before Tolkien; appealing review here, by a guy who has fantasy cred (in a good way) http://www.sfsite.com/02a/tt169.htm

Well, the anthologist mainly, but the reviewer comments cogently.

I've read that LeFanu a few times, it's a great collection. Other than "The Willows" and "The Wendigo" I can't recall much of the Blackwood I've read, but those stories both freaked me out.

All those books look like winners. Except maybe the Ellison, who is sort of in "artist with large catalog and you only really need to read one story by them" territory. Okay, maybe five or six stories. I've examined the doorstop and it just made me tired.

Tales Before Tolkein is a neat and v useful collection. I'm still working my way through it but it def lays out some of the true old world strangeness of 'high fantasy's forerunners.

Out of Skot's new haul of old weird the one I most covet is that Wm Hope Hodgson. Awesome title, awesome cover.

(An old TV anthology version of) "The Wendigo" freaked me out too---I was in high school, but slept w the lights on that night. Came back for more next week, but that was hard to top.

Yes indeed, we were talking of Hodgson upthread; also think this was the thread with link to good creepy sea story of his.

kinda think Scottish ghosts might be especially badass--although there are sev collections w same and similar titles; how's this one??

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thread needs yet more love for The House on the Borderland, that book is messed up

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just finished it. it's real a mishmash of a thing, can't say i enjoyed it.

Agree it's patchy but the highs are unfuckwithable imo. The attack of the swine creatures, with the housekeeper's obliviousness adding just the right amount of doubt to the whole narrative - you wonder if it's just the old fellas age-addled hallucination. Then the trippy voyage into the future, with the time-lapsed sun, is a stunning piece of visualisation, probably long before anything similar was seen on film.

the timelapse sequence reminded me of The Time Machine, albeit the film of TTM, can't remember how the book handled that.

all the different suns got confusing.

Didn't realize that growing your own tongue was such a, uh--thing: Esperanto was George Soros' first language? And Tolkien said the main reason for writing Lord Of The Rings was creating a place where the three languages he devised could be spoken? That's what it says here, in the purportedly nonfiction saga of a language inventor who got a good review in a Russian magazine, which compared it to the language developed by the Supermen in Heinlein's "Gulf." Soon after, the lower-case utopian starts getting fan mail--intense, arcane queries--from Russians; also, eventually, an invitation to a conference in an obscure corner of the Russian Federation--so, with intrigue and reservations, off he goes http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/12/24/121224fa_fact_foer

Esperanto was George Soros' first language?

yeah that was an awesome factoid

I believe that's an established factoid about Tolkien as well.

Loved that article. Gonna clip it out for the scrapbook. While reading about the Sapir theory I was like 'Aha, the inspiration for Jack Vance's Languages of Pao!'

still reading Red Mars by Kim Stanley Robinson. it's, uh, dry. but what do you want from Mars colonization? its definitely taking me a while though. and then there are the other two books...

can't help but think about the science of it all too. seeing as how i know nothing about science and there is probably a ton more Mars data since the book was written. still, i haven't given up on it. writers who love science not always so hot when it comes to writing about actual people. though KSR tries his hardest to interest you in his main characters.

It's been abt 15 years but I remember it being a pretty hot page-turner EXCEPT there were certain characters whose POV bored me to tears and when I'd get to one of their chapters I'd be all nooooooo and stall out for a couple of days.

xpost our stalwart utopian voyager in the New Yorker piece had a crucial experience early: seeing Magma live!
Can't resist mentioning again the only full-length Robinson I've read, The Wild Shore. Lives up to its title, w eco-change barefoot boys and all. His short stories were good too, but don't think I've read any since the 90s. Would hope Green Mars and Blue Mars would be not so dry, especially considering their titles.

I've been really wanting to read that themed trilogy of which Wild Shore is part.

Yeah, The Wild Shore, Gold Coast, Pacific Rim. Maybe not in that order, but they're all still sitting on my shelf, waiting patiently for me to finish.

Reading Matt Ruff's MIRAGE, which is really good so far: set in parallel world where big pan-Arabian nation encompassing Middle East/Northern Africa is hit on 11/9/01 by jets hijacked by Christian terrorists. Could be really heavy-handed and crap, but is instead sprightly and clever. Likeable Muslim cops investigating the terrorists keep coming across clues that their world is all WRONG.

Wow. That's pretty bold.

I read his Fool on the Hill long ago and didn't really like it but there was def promise in it.

It's lots of fun. I like the idea of the UK as a sort of Iran equivalent--they have nukes, the PM is Holocaust denier David Irving, and he's always threatening Israel (which is in the middle of Europe, taking up much of former Germany as part of WW2 reparations) with destruction.

And Saddam Hussein is a mob boss, and Osama bin Laden a powerful politician, and head of secret government black ops group Al-Qaeda.

Yeah, Saddam is sometimes said to have closely studied Mafia methods, esp. while in prison for trying to whack the Prime Minister of Iraq
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Apparently not just Photoshop; I've seen video of it too.

read Dick's The Skull yesterday, available as a free download lots of places. was quite fun.

Picked up my old copy of The Left Hand of Darkness by Ursula Le Guin when I was home for xmas, and now I'm reading it for the first time since I was like 18. And wow, it's still fucking great! She can write a great sentence, and she's got so many good ideas. I may go on a binge of her stuff after this.

Yeah---the first and second Le Guins for me were Left Hand and The Dispossessed---very compatible.

Lathe of Heaven is also great, in quite different in themes/style

I need to read some of her short stories. those two big new collections look nice.

Didn't Scott or somebody link the 70s Public TY version of Lathe, when it was posted on YouTube maybe? Linked on this very thread? I'll check later, gotta go (but it may well have been removed from YouTube)

I recommended Left Hand to a relatively new acquaintance of mine, then I saw it in a second hand bookshop and decided to buy it for him on a whim. This was a couple of months ago and he still hasn't read it, every time we meet it is now a mostly lol but kinda sad thing between us.

Four Ways To Forgiveness is all-time for me. its later and less famous but i think it might have changed my life or something. i never wanted it to end.

i still haven't read any of the earthsea books and there are still other novels and collections i need to read.

omg get on to earthsea asap. four ways one of my faves too.