link? please?
― pandemic, Thursday, 20 December 2012 17:03 (eleven years ago) link
ah, spin, got it.here
― pandemic, Thursday, 20 December 2012 17:05 (eleven years ago) link
straight to the "he's like waka" well eh
― 2 Celloz (some dude), Thursday, 20 December 2012 17:14 (eleven years ago) link
can't wait for deej to go line by line responding to it like the oatmeal guy
― finally rich, fun-packed, fulfilling (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 20 December 2012 17:17 (eleven years ago) link
If I didn't know better I'd have taken ""Hate Bein' Sober," the upcoming mega-single" as a shout-out to some dude.
― pandemic, Thursday, 20 December 2012 17:18 (eleven years ago) link
"hate bein' sober" is meant to be on the level of "stuntin' like my daddy" and "in da club"? LOL
― lex pretend, Thursday, 20 December 2012 17:19 (eleven years ago) link
lol pandemic
― 2 Celloz (some dude), Thursday, 20 December 2012 17:19 (eleven years ago) link
the positive reviews of this are almost as much of an "i hear what i want to hear" rorschach test as the pans
― 2 Celloz (some dude), Thursday, 20 December 2012 17:20 (eleven years ago) link
yes i will admit "upcoming mega-single" is a bit wishful thinking
― bish (bosch), don't kill my vibe (rennavate), Thursday, 20 December 2012 18:00 (eleven years ago) link
― lex pretend, Thursday, December 20, 2012 12:19 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
get ya mind correct
― salute me or crut me (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 20 December 2012 19:12 (eleven years ago) link
feel like you and i have very different definitions of "pop rap" when you talk about this album
― 2 Celloz (some dude), Thursday, 20 December 2012 19:17 (eleven years ago) link
"you know, pop rap! MC Hammer, The Black Eyed Peas, Crime Mob"
― 2 Celloz (some dude), Thursday, 20 December 2012 19:23 (eleven years ago) link
even "in da club" style pop rap!
― lex pretend, Thursday, 20 December 2012 19:24 (eleven years ago) link
― 2 Celloz (some dude), Thursday, December 20, 2012 2:23 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
well i think that's a very narrow definition (i would call black eyed peas "pop") & finally rich is waayyy more pop than crime mob. i didn't call 'back from the dead' pop when i first reviewed it cuz it's not... this album is diff tho
― salute me or crut me (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 20 December 2012 19:26 (eleven years ago) link
how is any song on this record more pop than "knuck if you buck" aside from featuring actual pop rappers like wiz khalifa and 50 cent
― 2 Celloz (some dude), Thursday, 20 December 2012 19:36 (eleven years ago) link
i was only really lukewarm to 'lollipop' when it came out then over the next few years it got promoted to personal jam status and now it seems like a landmark record rilly. dope review j0rdz. this record is dripping in pop, why fight it. 'kay kay' is my fucking shit.
― tpp, Thursday, 20 December 2012 19:49 (eleven years ago) link
yeah great review
― flopson, Thursday, 20 December 2012 21:30 (eleven years ago) link
when i saw this didn;t have a D4VID DR4K3 byline
http://www.complex.com/music/2012/12/the-10-worst-things-written-about-chief-keef-this-week
i was like
http://0-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/sp/image/1342/40/1342409378152.gif
― finally rich, fun-packed, fulfilling (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 20 December 2012 22:28 (eleven years ago) link
peep the comments though:
Drake December 20th, 2012 at 04:14 PM
I agree with half this shit, but Chief Keef is bad. it's that simple. good for him becoming rich. no problem with that. but to keep claiming all of these critics are racist is your lousy back up. They aren't racist. Chief Keef is not innovative, and apparently not very intelligent. He networked and got a good promotions team. Saying he's great is like saying every modern hip hop collective (A$AP, OF, etc..) are good. Just because there is a team that knows how to manipulate its audience doesn't mean the artist is talented.
― HAPPY BDAY TOOTS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 20 December 2012 22:40 (eleven years ago) link
good for him becoming rich. but what took him so long?
― k3vin k., Thursday, 20 December 2012 22:42 (eleven years ago) link
lol
― 2 Celloz (some dude), Thursday, 20 December 2012 23:39 (eleven years ago) link
the positive reviews of this are...an "i hear what i want to hear" rorschach test
in fairness this is so generally true of pop crit right now across all genres big & small that it's kind of interesting how this album seems to be coming under special scrutiny about it
― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 21 December 2012 12:34 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, the more there's a cultural narrative around an album and the higher the "stakes" feel to people, the easier it is to focus on anything but what it actually sounds like
― 2 Celloz (some dude), Friday, 21 December 2012 12:44 (eleven years ago) link
which artists tend also to play to their advantage imo
― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 21 December 2012 18:14 (eleven years ago) link
easier still to imagine a great self-deception in people liking something you refuse or are unable to engage with
― r|t|c, Friday, 21 December 2012 18:28 (eleven years ago) link
"Love Sosa" entered the Hot 100 this week.
― Rolling "2 chainz" draadje (The Reverend), Friday, 21 December 2012 18:57 (eleven years ago) link
i don't think people who love this record are lying to themselves, i just think they have a high tolerance for monotone offbeat rapping
― nobody's bitch speaks again (some dude), Friday, 21 December 2012 21:38 (eleven years ago) link
aero otm
― If I was a carpenter, and you were a douchebag (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 21 December 2012 21:48 (eleven years ago) link
i wouldn't say monotone, what stands out to me is that half the time keef is most of the way to singing, but it's always the same three note melody.
― have a sandwich or ice cream sandwich (Jordan), Friday, 21 December 2012 21:50 (eleven years ago) link
add this guy to my kinda-long list of Guys Whose Music Is Interesting To Talk About But To Me Not Very Interesting To Hear, a list about which I have conflicting emotions
― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 22 December 2012 00:50 (eleven years ago) link
fwiw re: sh1pl3y's complaints i actually think he has a pretty masterful sense of rhythm cf 1:45
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys4hIkqPteY&feature=youtu.be
― D-40, Monday, 31 December 2012 11:39 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys4hIkqPteY
― D-40, Monday, 31 December 2012 11:40 (eleven years ago) link
how you hear that as a masterful sense of rhythm is completely beyond me musically. it sounds like he did that a capella and then it was later cut in as near the beat as was possible. like I would be genuinely interested, if you're up for it, how that's masterful - there's a long and great tradition in say toasting of throwing in triplets, runs of 16th-notes/syllables, etc, over a straight 4/4, so the voice is essentially serving as both percussion and vocal and it sounds like maybe that's what he's trying to do? but he doesn't pull it off at all imo. like when he says "sad stories like soapbox/you ain't no gangster Tupac" - it's like he's just not listening very hard for how those would fall in with the beat. however props to him for the Xiu Xiu reference in the next line
― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 31 December 2012 13:30 (eleven years ago) link
yeah that youtube as a rebuttal is hilarious
― some dude, Monday, 31 December 2012 13:37 (eleven years ago) link
I was really looking forward to some crazed irregular-rhythm tuplets like you get in harp and piano music so actually getting "I'm a 32-note late on every entrance like a hesitant singer who isn't sure where the beat or the note is" was kind of a letdown
― GIMME SOME REGGAE (DJP), Monday, 31 December 2012 14:26 (eleven years ago) link
i don't have a great handle on pitch or theory so when you talk about a lot of vocal stuff i take your word for it, but it genuinely surprises me when anybody with ears can't seem to get a handle on how rhythm works and whether a performance is on or off the beat
― some dude, Monday, 31 December 2012 15:08 (eleven years ago) link
kind of get the impression that keef does that deliberately, or at least whether he's *able* to rap on beat or not, his general strategy for approaching it is deliberate and in keeping w/the rest of his persona
― lex pretend, Monday, 31 December 2012 15:10 (eleven years ago) link
i think it's part of his persona to not both doing a 2nd take, but i don't know if he realizes or cares what his performance might gain if he took another pass with the beat turned up louder in his headphones
― some dude, Monday, 31 December 2012 15:12 (eleven years ago) link
not caring is part of his persona too i guess
― lex pretend, Monday, 31 December 2012 15:14 (eleven years ago) link
persona doing some heavy lifting itt
― i know your nuts hurt! who's laughing? (contenderizer), Monday, 31 December 2012 17:11 (eleven years ago) link
well the rapping ain't gonna!
― some dude, Monday, 31 December 2012 17:13 (eleven years ago) link
that this whole interpretive approach makes it out of undergrad classes at all is kind of a crying shame - it's not like use of persona isn't a working trope but people hold onto it like it's a great way of explaining why a given musician doesn't write/rap/sing/play well
― too many encores (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 31 December 2012 19:01 (eleven years ago) link
Hes not "off beat," or if he is its not what makes his verse notable there. its possible they mislaid his vocal track so its "early" (the engineer on the kanye version of "i dont like" dropped his vocal track in at the wrong time) but its SO early it seems more likely to me it was intentional
Or arguably big lean's people dropped it in at the wrong time, but that doesnt really say anything about keef's rhythmic control
― D-40, Monday, 31 December 2012 19:56 (eleven years ago) link
It sounds like hes trying to place his words at unexpected parts of the beat, hes coming in "early" and ending each line early
Also its "sad stories like soap ops" as in operas
― D-40, Monday, 31 December 2012 19:59 (eleven years ago) link
youtube commentors arguing the same thing:
bigwillonmygrind 23 hours agodamn keef was off beatReply · Ontibadboy 21 hours agonawq he wasn't he was goin with the dropReply · in reply to bigwillonmygrind
― D-40, Monday, 31 December 2012 20:26 (eleven years ago) link
Tha Sheen 9 hours agoyea he not off beat the first time i heard it i thought he was but listen again keef crazyReply ·
STPLamzino 11 hours agohe's not off beat, he's just switching his flow.......Reply ·
naturezoo 19 hours agoKeef ain't off beat wtf are y'all talkin bout. Nigga just comin with a diff flo.Reply ·
then to be fair to Al there's ppl claiming d-riders are delusional and that he's 'off beat'
― D-40, Monday, 31 December 2012 20:30 (eleven years ago) link
haha blaming the fuckin engineer is shameful. the thing about Keef's phrasing is that a lot of times he starts a line at the right time, but he rushes to the end so that the syllables fall in weird places and he finishes the phrase earlier than it seems like it should, which works out especially badly for him since he leans hard on end rhymes.
― some dude, Monday, 31 December 2012 20:31 (eleven years ago) link
im not blaming the engineer, i think its intentional (think dont know). but i disagree, his entrances are all coming in on the same early count -- it sounds like his verse (or the waveform) is shifted to the left.
although i kind of like this too lol:
KENNY GK 2 days agoKeef killed this. the beat is just fucked up smhReply ·
― D-40, Monday, 31 December 2012 20:34 (eleven years ago) link
pretty much every track he's ever made has this issue -- either all of them (including the ones on his major label albums) were engineered by the same incompetent/sabotaging guy or hmmmm nope that's the only explanation
― some dude, Monday, 31 December 2012 20:36 (eleven years ago) link
ok well in that case we're apparently talking about two completely different things because what i'm hearing here is not present on any of his other tracks
― D-40, Monday, 31 December 2012 20:38 (eleven years ago) link