FYI, when I saw Man Forever it was not that chaotic, loud, or noisy in any substantial ways. There are dissonances and strange beating patterns and certainly no melodies or riffs to latch onto, but it is more meditative and immersive than in-your-face. It may have changed since I saw them about 6 months ago, but he does rule-based pieces in which the musicians have to stick to a set approach, so again, it isn't wild and pummeling for the most part, just insistently somewhat intense due to the nature of the performance.
― grandavis, Thursday, 20 December 2012 16:11 (eleven years ago) link