pitchfork is dumb (#34985859340293849494 in a series.)

it's ok to have never performed before. you gotta start somewhere, if anything it's sound discouraging for new artists.

There's always that first year of interviews where musicians say the dumbest things, not realizing that "we're the best band in the world!" is a great attitude to have around your bandmates and label and family and your own work ethic but that it just doesn't translate into good press

Anyway that Julia quote felt like that to me,

Also "that first year" is a variable period of time for some people :/

I agree with that flopson but my stance on this is that there is no harm in doing anything so let people release as much similar sounding shit as they want and then maybe 20 years down the line there'll be a bunch of disposable bands from ages ago w/ one good idea on their release that can be sampled

xp @ some dude, no way man I <3 her forever

― you, your max is on fire (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, December 17, 2012 3:06 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah but the fact that this thread is about her now because of that quote and not in a "you go, girl" way suggests that if it was an attempt to reframe her in a negative light it was successful

also a weird conflation of technical chops with "putting your soul into it."

i.e. weird because technical ability and passion/soul are often framed as opposites in the rock/indie world (not saying i agree with this)

fact is like EVERY young musician believes they are going the grain of a music world that has lost its way, which is fine as a motivating force to get stuff done but should really really be kept in check when speaking in public

please don't dudesplain

can this discussion NOT be about pitchfork or julia holter

lol

i like to consider those topics "off limits" itt

how is my post 'splaining any more than your last couple posts (xp)

for the love of god, let's not talk about Pitchfork on the "Pitchfork is dumb" thread

surprised nobody mentionned anthony's 'should animal collective go to jail' quote.

ah fuck I was jk u idiot

well my feelings weren't hurt before but they definitely are now! :(

I mean if anything I am holding myself back from making a julia holter pussy tastes like joke

and I dont even know who julia holter is

some dude, I guess we're talking about Julia Holter for a moment, but I was making the shaky argument that the JH quote was included deliberately to cast her in a negative light, as opposed to, say, the John Maus one, where it was like "we have passed over all the famously dumb things this man has said to include this innocuous (but still idiomatic) opinion on cannibalism"

Like, "did Pitchfork curated these quotes with an agenda?" of course they did editorially, but it just seemed especially strange

xp "should animal collective go to jail"? really? i missed that one

wow pitchfork picked a quote from andrew wk about partying, how profound, how utterly worthy

Did you hear what Pussy Riot said in the courtroom? "Even though we're behind bars, we're more free than anyone." That's like Benazir Bhutto before she went back to Pakistan to be killed. That's like Oscar Wilde facing the courtroom before he was jailed. To see that courage among women in a white youth movement? That is incredibly powerful. It sets a new bar: How are we going to participate now? Should we all be going to jail? Should Animal Collective go to jail? Should Grizzly Bear go to jail? Should Bon Iver go to jail? Is it time?

- Anthony

- Hey Justin, it is time.
- Aww ok.

that's kind of amazing

To see that courage among women in a white youth movement?

there is some very cruel editing going on with some of these

consider for example the quote from Elite Gymnastics' James Brooks:

I don't know if I could ever write a song for a girl to sing. I hate that paradigm of male producer/songwriter, female frontperson-- I feel like encouraging it reinforces this bullshit that all women are good for is looking pretty out in front.

here is the associated picture:

http://pitchfork-cdn.s3.amazonaws.com/content/b3404d1e.jpg?wmode=transparent

OTOH the Killer Mike quote is amazing

Agreed.

lol djp

i posted on (a different) board with that kid, he's um...very very serious but basically deemed like a decent guy

xp When Antony allows himself some candour he rules the school

re: James, I like his tumblr posts, he actually reminds me of Lex like a lot

-_-

jusssst kidddding

And she doesn't sound like she's "putting her soul into it," she sounds shy at least on record.

― Evan, Monday, December 17, 2012 1:04 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I haven't listened so I don't know, but i know you can be shy and put your soul into it.

― Van Horn Street, Monday, December 17, 2012 1:08 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Late response. I guess it seemed like she was just describing herself, is all. Anyway, carry on.

Should Animal Collective go to jail? Should Grizzly Bear go to jail? Should Bon Iver go to jail? Is it time?

o_O @ "white youth movement" but this is surely the greatest thing anyone has said in 2012

it's a pretty ufwa statement i gotta say.

white youth movement wtf

he's been hanging around Current 93's friends too much perhaps

In electronic music, the term "futurism" always seems to indicate dissonance: The sound of tomorrow is stuck in sci-fi dystopia-mode, demanding stark minimalism, abstract squelching, and plenty foreboding low-end wobble. If you try to add little sunshine here and there, then you're probably going retro. But Lone's Galaxy Garden summons up a lush, warm, and, possibly, vacation-friendly vision of Tomorrowland. The UK-based producer takes a few cues from old-school rave (see "Crystal Caverns 1991"), but the dizzy rhythms and thought-clouding keyboard runs driving the record would be hard to excavate from any vintage mixtape. Galaxy Garden's sound palate is Discovery Store-centric, with steel drums, new age pads, and the sloshing of a digital rainstick here and there. It's a record that plays best in its most surreal moments, where the headphone candy momentarily takes precedence over the floor-friendliness. --Aaron Leitko

it's the future, but it has bits of the past, but it's really future because it has sounds from a store that closed five years ago and 1980s cliches

Kinda sad Mount Eeerie didn't even crack the honorable mentions.

Oh shit! They didn't

And both albums were great. I feel bad they didn't rate my lists

Top tens anyway

Julia H does a fine job of summing up the Salem thread; just needs a late pass is all

,(obv shes not the only one)

...the rap that was uniquely propped up on indie PR machine/cool kid blog circuit this year was ephemeral, amateurish, or even outright depressing. I won't name names since you guys seem to love them. Or at least you love reblogging their photos on Tumblr and getting free drinks at their Heineken sponsored shows. Have fun, drive safely and just know that none of this stuff is notable or interesting or entertaining to anybody who was listening to rap music back before 2008.

Elder statesman, talking shit

shoulda named names

Heineken rap: you like it, but four-year goons know better

mcoll who are your fav rappers that you are offended on the behalf of here

that noz paragraph should be posted in "pitchfork is awesome" thread

yeah last three bullet points in the noz year in rap article are so otm

loved the noz article, yeah why are you butthurt mcoll.

I enjoyed that noz piece.

This, otoh, seems pretty crap: http://nothingmajor.com/