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Is hawkwind "in" at the moment? lol@hipsters buying "xenon codex" or "choose your masques" if so.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:00 (eighteen years ago) link

remember when krautrock was cooler than hawkwind?

Remember when we were 15 and still cared what was cool?

nathalie sans denouement (stevie nixed), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Let's just leave it at lol@hipsters!

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Dada), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:01 (eighteen years ago) link

not to mention fucked up cleopatra discs. "NIK TURNERS HAWKWINDS IN SPACE RITCHAL VOL. ZERO ZERO SIX EIGHT"

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:02 (eighteen years ago) link

I haven't seen Lindsay Lohan in a Hawkwind T-shirt, so I guess not.

nathalie sans denouement (stevie nixed), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Fair enough, think of all those shit German prog bands that people bought because they were "Krautrock"

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Dada), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Haha wasn't the best thing like that that comp where half the bands were supposedly genesis p orridge and his mates having a larf, efs style?

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:04 (eighteen years ago) link

good lord, tom bigging up amon duul i and popol vuh. i remember it. i was there. but sheesh.

strng hlkngtn, Friday, 12 August 2005 13:06 (eighteen years ago) link

that alleged krautrock comp, that is...

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Was that the back story of that Virgin comp that I never bought then?

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NickB (NickB), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:06 (eighteen years ago) link

I thought it was Julian Cope and all HIS mates? Or was it Richard Norris(?), from The Grid, and all HIS mates? The latter likely to include GP-O mind you...

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Dada), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:06 (eighteen years ago) link

supposedly, yes. Richard Norris rings a bell as well. I think it was the fact that neither of the 2 guys who run audion magazine had ever hear of any band on this comp that clinched it. Kind of funny in retrospect, I guess.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Remember when people assumed that if something was namechecked by Stephen Stapleton it must be good?!?!?!? One listen to Brainticket's 345th album quickly disavowed them of that idea! NEVER TRUST A HIPPY!

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Dada), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:09 (eighteen years ago) link

also, lmao@the idea of some hipster buying "eloy live", which I luv, but which is the most ridiculously ott pomp-rock album ever made! like it starts off w/this crazy portentious spiel over white noise and synthesiser sfx:

WORLDS ATOMISE!
OCEANS BOIL INTO INFINITY!!
MAN ERECTS HIMSELF!!
LAUGHS INTO THE GLIMMERING LIGHTS!!!
AND....DISSAPPEARS!!!

(music kicks off, sounding like pink floyd on military-grade steroid drugs)

I mean it's fuckign great really, but you know, the thought of someone buying it b/c they're looking for krautrock like prml scrm, what could be more classic?

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Indeed. I have heard Wallenstein, I have no need to hear them ever again.

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Dada), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Wallenstein vs Zweistein!

Wallenstein suck, but are bizarrely great on that cosmic jokers album they're on.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, two of them are. And their keyboard player rules on the Sergius Golowin album!

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Dada), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:16 (eighteen years ago) link

I thought there were only 2 of wallenstein? Am I getting them mixed up w/those 2 guys who did that (terrible) trips und traume album?

That sergius golowin album is INFURIATING. SHUT THE FUCK UP PLEASE SERGIUS, though I guess tim leary on that ash ra album is worse.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Witthuser & Westrupp did "Trips und Traume" - I like bits of that album! Their other albums are pretty dire mind you. And some of Wallenstein are on their albums too.

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Dada), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:25 (eighteen years ago) link

I like the cover, but the music doesn't really do it for me at all. I remembered the "westrupp", but not the "witthuser".

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:27 (eighteen years ago) link

I've got "Der Jesuspilz" and there are one or two good songs on it.

Tripmaker (SDWitzm), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Hmmmmmmmmmm

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Dada), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:37 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm having a hard time *ploughing* through this thread trying to come up with ten krautrock records I need. I have some Neu and some Can but apart from that I'm a complete neophyte.

nathalie sans denouement (stevie nixed), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Some buying guide has surely been done on ILM?

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Dada), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Maybe Nath only trusts your judgement dadaismus.

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:40 (eighteen years ago) link

pashmina, you should be getting a check from eloy in a few months cause you just sold a copy of "eloy live."

zweistein... so shit.

and those "unknown deutschland" comps and psi-fi label 'reissues' were allegedly the work of a 'different' genesis p'orridge. heh. some of those were actually alright in a basement synth noodling sorta way.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Maybe Nath only trusts your judgement dadaismus.

I don't even trust my judgement

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Dada), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Some buying guide has surely been done on ILM?

I googled, but couldn't find anything.

nathalie sans denouement (stevie nixed), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:44 (eighteen years ago) link

I love "Eloy Live", but it's pretty terrible, really. It's kind of a guilty pleasure.

Wow, somebody else has heard Zweistein. It is shit, yes. The copy we had @ the record shop sold for a huge amount of money, nevertheless. If it were only a little better known, no doubt it would be legendary, & have a similar rep to metal machine music and the godz (ahem)

Try Amon Duul 2's "Yeti" and Popol Vuh's "Das Hoheleid Salomos", perhaps Nath?

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:44 (eighteen years ago) link

I mean, is "Aum" by Deuter really a unheralded classic fusing folk, ethnic and classical elements or just proto-New Age waffle from a balding German with a dodgy moustache?

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Dada), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:45 (eighteen years ago) link

What was the story with those Psi-Fi CDs, anyway?

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Pangolino 2, Friday, 12 August 2005 13:47 (eighteen years ago) link

remember when krautrock was cooler than hawkwind?

Remember when we were 15 and still cared what was cool?

dudes, krautrock and hawkwind both OBV rule. i just wanted to stir up some controversy.

as for navigating, ive really been enjoying the more garage-y mooney can stuff lately. the combination of raw and psychedelic and hypnotic is exactly what the doctor ordered for me. that, i suppose, is also why ive been listening to so much hawkwind lately.

petesmith (plsmith), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:48 (eighteen years ago) link

ooh ooh - psychedelic underground by amon duul is one of the more distinctive listening experiences i can think of - the hairiest, noisiest hippie-drone evah.

petesmith (plsmith), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Mooney-era Can is by far the most consistently entertaining era

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Dada), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Tangerine Dream - Electronic Meditation, Atem, Phaedra, Force Majeure.
Amon Duul II - Phallus Dei, Yeti, Wolf City, Dance Of the Lemmings
Kraftwerk - 1, 2.
Agitation Free - Malesch, 2nd.
Ash ra Tempel - Ash ra Tempel, Schwingungen
Cluster - 71, II
Faust - So far
Gila - Gila
Guru Guru - UFO, Hinten
Harmonia - Deluxe, Musik Von Harmonia
Klaus Schulze - Irrlicht
La Dusseldorf - Viva, La Dusseldorf
Manuel Göttsching - Inventions for Electric Guitar

1st 5 can
All 3 Neu

Thats all I can think of off the top of my head, Nath.

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Add "Rubycon" to Tangerine Dream and ZEIT, Jesus! Add all the Kraftwerk albums and *Cluster albums AND Faust albums! (*well, maybe not all of them)

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Dada), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Golem by Sand is pretty cool.

Tripmaker (SDWitzm), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:58 (eighteen years ago) link

But, for sure, definitely add:

Cluster - Zuckerzeit
Tangerine Dream - Zeit
Kraftwerk - Ralf and Florian/ Autobahn/ Radioactivity (plus everything else)

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Dada), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:59 (eighteen years ago) link

I mean, is "Aum" by Deuter really a unheralded classic fusing folk, ethnic and classical elements or just proto-New Age waffle from a balding German with a dodgy moustache?

that i do not know, but D is fucking good.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:59 (eighteen years ago) link

... and

Faust - s/t/ Faust Tapes/ Faust IV

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Dada), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:59 (eighteen years ago) link

What Dadaismus said.
1st 4 Tangerine Dreams are great. I forget the ones after that I really like but Force Majeure from 1980 I think is the last one I liked.
Theres some really good live albums too.

Didn't mention later Kraftwerk because I assumed everyone has/likes them and aren't really considered 'krautrock'.

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Friday, 12 August 2005 14:00 (eighteen years ago) link

"Aum" is more like the rest of his career, it's New Age-y.... I suppose, but more Popol Vuh than Windham Hill

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Dada), Friday, 12 August 2005 14:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Golem by Sand is pretty cool.

-- Tripmaker (tripmaker...), August 12th, 2005.

I think so, too, and wish someone would release the whole Johannes Vester solo album.

Pangolino 2, Friday, 12 August 2005 14:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Generally, however, stick to the better known groups and you'll be doing alright because most of the less famous groups are less famous because they're less good and often downright abominable

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Dada), Friday, 12 August 2005 14:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Stratosfear by Tangerine Dream is great too.
Why are so many people so wary of Tangerine Dream?

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Friday, 12 August 2005 14:14 (eighteen years ago) link

They did get fat and boring and they did put out some pretty crap albums - tho probably not as crap as Amon Duul II did, for instance

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Dada), Friday, 12 August 2005 14:16 (eighteen years ago) link

But before then they made some great stuff! Never harmed Bowie or The Rolling Stones reputations for their classic material.

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Friday, 12 August 2005 14:17 (eighteen years ago) link

The most recent Kraftwerk I find pretty lame actually, though I haven't heard that new live one. "Autobahn" is my favourite by a long, long way.

T Dream got way, way worse than amon duul ever did. The worst AD acheived was utter mediocrity, TD, early eighties onwards, are actually offensive to listen to. Also, not AD equivalent of the "dream mixes". I don't think you can go far wrong w/any /70's TD, though.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 12 August 2005 14:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Looking like a bunch of hairy old hippies didn't help - tho it never did Faust any harm!

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Dada), Friday, 12 August 2005 14:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, but the froese/baumann/franke lineup actually had this really sinister look about them, it's part of what used to appeal to me about them. They looked kind of evil.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 12 August 2005 14:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Soul Jazz just announced Deutsche Elektronische Musik Vol. 3 and I'm frickin' stoked!

Klauss Weiss – Wide Open Space Motion
A.R. & Machines – I'll Be Your Singer, You'll Be My Song
Deutsche Wertarbeit – Deutscher Wald
Dzyan – Khali
Missus Beastly – Geisha
Alex – Derulé
Agitation Free – In The Silence Of the Morning Sunrise
Georg Deuter – Pearls
Michael Bundt – The Brain Of Oskar Panizza
Popol Vuh – Ja, Deine Liebe Ist Sußer Als Wein
Novalis – Dronsz
Bröselmaschine – Schmetterling
Neu! – Neuschnee
Between – And The Waters Opened
La Düsseldorf – White Overalls
Klauss Weiss – Constellation
Achim Reichel – Tanz Der Vögel In Den Winden
Roedelius – Lustwandel
Pyrolator – Die Haut Der Frau
Cluster – Hollywood
Streetmark – Passage
Niagara – Rhythm Go
Michael Bundt – Neon

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 6 November 2017 18:39 (six years ago) link

can’t wait for some alt-right dipshit to discover ‘white overalls’ and turn white supremacists onto krautock

What's the range of an Iranian frogman dipshit? (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 6 November 2017 18:55 (six years ago) link

A nicely diverse playlist. Guess they really must like that Klaus Weiss album?

doug watson, Monday, 6 November 2017 19:01 (six years ago) link

four weeks pass...

I think this is the best Deutsche Elektronische Musik yet

paolo, Monday, 4 December 2017 21:20 (six years ago) link

two years pass...

Volume 4!

1. Alex – Patella Black
2. Klaus Weiss – Driving Sequences
3. Can – I'm So Green
4. Agitation Free – Laila, Part II
5. Deutsche Wertarbeit – Guten Abend, Leute
6. Amon Düül II – Wolf City
7. Michael Rother – Flammende Herzen
8. Klaus Weiss – Pink Sails
9. Virus – My Strand-Eyed Girl
10. Conrad Schnitzler – Ballet Statique
11. Kalacakra – Nearby Shiras
12. EMAK – Tanz In Den Himmel
13. Et Cetera – Mellodrama 2a
14. Between – Triumphzug Kaiser Maximilian I
15. Roedelius – Halmharfe
16. Dzyan – Dragonsong
17. Harmonia – Deluxe (Immer Wieder)
18. Günter Schickert – Suleika
19. Witthüser & Westrupp – Schöpfung (1. Mose 1)

https://soundsoftheuniverse.com/sjr/product/deutsche-elektronische-musik-4

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 04:21 (three years ago) link

Bear family just started a series of 2cds called Kraut! I think it might include some of the rockier stuff that Cope was trying to exclude.

There are also a number of contemporary to the non-scene bands from elsewhere like Area and Balerno di Bronzo from Italy, Nyl from France and a few other things worldwide that if you like krautrock you should also enjoy. Though that might be difficult to predict. I hear an overlap in the sound anyway.
Also US things like Larry Young's Lawrence of Newark and the much later Savage Republic Jamahiriya.
Or Simply Saucer Cyborgs Revisited and things like peak Chrome that you should also check out. But hopefully you already know that.& at least 70s Hawkwind and Eno era Roxy Music should also appeal.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 08:00 (three years ago) link

Interesting that the Bear Family are moving out of their country/rockabilly comfort zone.

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 08:38 (three years ago) link

Looking forward to volume 4. For some reason I thought that 3 was going to be the last.

paolo, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 08:46 (three years ago) link

Me too, it was the "That's All Folks" text on the back.

Bear Family also has an excellent set of NDW compilations called "Aus grauer Städte Mauern - Die Neue Deutsche Welle (NDW) 1977-85"

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 12:06 (three years ago) link

That Et Cetera song is gorgeous

brimstead, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 18:05 (three years ago) link

two years pass...

here's something I really dig about certain German records - stuff like Neu!, La Dusseldorf, Harmonia, Gottsching's E2-E4, etc. - it sounds like what I imagined the first albums ever released would have sounded like, if you asked me at the age of 6

frogbs, Monday, 21 November 2022 03:26 (one year ago) link


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