Killing Joke -vs- Steely Dan

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just listened to killing joke for the first time - i didnt realize it was a goth thing

jhøshea, Sunday, 25 November 2007 00:41 (thirteen years ago) link

It's not.

Alex in NYC, Sunday, 25 November 2007 00:50 (thirteen years ago) link

http://www.lifeishell.de/oldcontent/goths2.jpg

jhøshea, Sunday, 25 November 2007 01:00 (thirteen years ago) link

Yes, those are goths. Lollipops for you, then.

Alex in NYC, Sunday, 25 November 2007 01:24 (thirteen years ago) link

that is a photo of killing joke

jhøshea, Sunday, 25 November 2007 01:33 (thirteen years ago) link

No, it's a family of your family Thanksgiving party, cocksmoker.

Alex in NYC, Sunday, 25 November 2007 01:46 (thirteen years ago) link

photo. argh. Go die.

Alex in NYC, Sunday, 25 November 2007 01:47 (thirteen years ago) link

lol

jhøshea, Sunday, 25 November 2007 01:47 (thirteen years ago) link

jhøshea ur family seems great!!!

max, Sunday, 25 November 2007 01:48 (thirteen years ago) link

yah tooo much drama tho

jhøshea, Sunday, 25 November 2007 01:50 (thirteen years ago) link

The "silent majority" at work, eh.

I voted for Killing Joke.

Pashmina, Sunday, 25 November 2007 02:18 (thirteen years ago) link

u r a goths?

jhøshea, Sunday, 25 November 2007 02:20 (thirteen years ago) link

This could quite possibly be the best two posts to follow each other ever on ILM:

Those aware of the world around them SHOULD be angry and scared.

-- Alex in NYC, Sunday, November 25, 2007 12:20 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Link

That could quite possibly be the most pretentious retort I've ever posted. Time to open a beer, then!

PS: Steely Dan is boring.

-- Alex in NYC, Sunday, November 25, 2007 12:35 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Link

Bimble, Sunday, 25 November 2007 06:35 (thirteen years ago) link

I am laughing uncontrollably at the Alex/jhøshea, goth/family exchange. I think I'm projecting myself into an alternate universe where that actually IS a photo of Killing Joke and LAUGHING! And then Alex getting all flustered at his "family of your family" comment. And then the idea that that actually IS a photo of jhøshea's family, drama-laden, of course. Humor!

I am not tired or drunk.

P.S. Steely Dan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Killing Joke although "Change" is a masterpiece and I really really liked Pandemonium although I think I wound up getting rid of it.

Kevin John Bozelka, Sunday, 25 November 2007 06:51 (thirteen years ago) link

hal blaine vs dave grohl

chaki, Sunday, 25 November 2007 06:53 (thirteen years ago) link

Killing Joke are good music and that's not a "goth thing."

Curt1s Stephens, Sunday, 25 November 2007 06:59 (thirteen years ago) link

I wish the goths at my high school had looked like that.

Sundar, Sunday, 25 November 2007 07:05 (thirteen years ago) link

Oh I missed this one. Steely Dan would have gotten yet one more vote.

Geir Hongro, Sunday, 25 November 2007 10:52 (thirteen years ago) link

You don't say.

Pleasant Plains, Sunday, 25 November 2007 15:29 (thirteen years ago) link

I only own two KJ albums but I'll take them over Steely Dan anyway. I'm sad SD won.

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Sunday, 25 November 2007 15:40 (thirteen years ago) link

Obviously I voted for Steely Dan - and I love Killing Joke, at least the first two records & spots here and there. (Frankly I think the fire which they honored never really burned as bright again, though I got kicked in the teeth by that album that Grohl played on a couple years back) In re: the goth business though, I've said this before - they're not the sort of lamers who'd self-identify as goth, because they're not lamers. But Christian Death didn't ID as goth, either. Any band that'd describe themselves as "a goth band" is gonna suck balls. But in L.A. at least Killing Joke always occupied a sort of middle ground - punks liked them, so did the death rock kids who went nuts for TSOL's "Dance With Me." Their flickr portrait should rightly have a small-font "goth" tag on it.

But "are they goth or not goth?" is a stupid question. They're about as goth as the Birthday Party, which is to say, anybody who says there's no connection is lying or stupid, but anybody who thinks the tag is a sufficient descriptor is silly.

J0hn D., Sunday, 25 November 2007 15:56 (thirteen years ago) link

Steely Dan are goths.

Alex in NYC, Sunday, 25 November 2007 17:45 (thirteen years ago) link

^k.j. dickrider

am0n, Sunday, 25 November 2007 18:00 (thirteen years ago) link

Classy!

Alex in NYC, Sunday, 25 November 2007 19:03 (thirteen years ago) link

Steve Gadd vs Dave Grohl. hmm though one.

chaki, Sunday, 25 November 2007 20:39 (thirteen years ago) link

hmmm tough one.

chaki, Sunday, 25 November 2007 20:40 (thirteen years ago) link

is tallgoth redbraids into some burmese neck elongations trip?

m0stlyClean, Sunday, 25 November 2007 22:47 (thirteen years ago) link

am0n once again demonstrates why the ^ keystroke, along with the word "ban," should be banned

J0hn D., Sunday, 25 November 2007 23:35 (thirteen years ago) link

Steely Dan has way more good records. But aside from The Royal Scam, I never listen to the Dan on purpose. Whereas I still play the first and third Killing Joke records with some frequency.

Killing Joke are totally goth in the broad sense. That's part of what's good about them.

Nate Carson, Monday, 26 November 2007 12:16 (thirteen years ago) link

They're not fucking Goths and never were, for cryin' out loud. DO YOUR HOMEWORK, PEOPLE!

In all candor, comparing Killing Joke to Steely Dan is like comparing power tools to rice cakes.

Alex in NYC, Monday, 26 November 2007 12:29 (thirteen years ago) link

All I know is that, the first time I ever heard Sisters of Mercy, I thought "they sort of sound like Killing Joke, but not as good."

xhuxk, Monday, 26 November 2007 12:31 (thirteen years ago) link

Again, I think this begs a greater discussion as to what constitutes a Goth band. Don't think this is the thread for that.

Alex in NYC, Monday, 26 November 2007 12:37 (thirteen years ago) link

"In all candor, comparing Killing Joke to Steely Dan is like comparing power tools to rice cakes."

...sarcastic rice cakes with unlimited funding and the best session players that money can buy.

***

Listen to "Complications" off the s/t Killing Joke record while staring at the cover of Fire Dances. Then get back to me on who's goth.

Nate Carson, Monday, 26 November 2007 12:40 (thirteen years ago) link

Eat a big bag of your own filth, throw it up and rub it all over yourself, and then get back to me, Nate.

Alex in NYC, Monday, 26 November 2007 12:47 (thirteen years ago) link

Killing Joke are only "goth" in the same way that Siouxsie and the Banshees are "goth" or for that matter Dead Can Dance are "goth" IE a bunch of goth bands ripped them off something rotten. There's a world of difference between KJ and, say the mission or sisters of mercy, not least KJ are GREAT and do not SUCK.

Pashmina, Monday, 26 November 2007 12:53 (thirteen years ago) link

Haha! I'm going to have good dreams now. Thank you Alex. :)

Nate Carson, Monday, 26 November 2007 12:54 (thirteen years ago) link

Alex rules when he's all bent out of shape.

Jazzbo, Monday, 26 November 2007 15:01 (thirteen years ago) link

I dunno, I have my doubts about the Alex in NYC reunion tour.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 26 November 2007 15:13 (thirteen years ago) link

Dude sure likes Killing Joke, I'll give him that.

Pleasant Plains, Monday, 26 November 2007 15:57 (thirteen years ago) link

No, it's a family of your family Thanksgiving party, cocksmoker.

-- Alex in NYC, Sunday, November 25, 2007 1:46 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

Eat a big bag of your own filth, throw it up and rub it all over yourself, and then get back to me, Nate.

-- Alex in NYC, Monday, November 26, 2007 12:47 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Link

Classy!

-- Alex in NYC, Sunday, November 25, 2007 7:03 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

WHY I DISLIKE ALEX IN NYC, A LESSON IN THREE PARTS.

ian, Monday, 26 November 2007 17:49 (thirteen years ago) link

dickrider is way more original than cocksmoker fwiw.

ian, Monday, 26 November 2007 17:49 (thirteen years ago) link

later kj albums get really samey

chaki, Monday, 26 November 2007 17:54 (thirteen years ago) link

dickrider is way more original than cocksmoker fwiw.

oh yeah dickrider is up on some vanguard shit, you never hear that from, like, everybody

I think it's a really lame insult because it boils down to "you're showing too much enthusiasm" = really? eat shit, then, asshole

J0hn D., Monday, 26 November 2007 18:07 (thirteen years ago) link

ok now i see why trolling wrong and i am sorry

jhøshea, Monday, 26 November 2007 18:08 (thirteen years ago) link

I prefer his earlier work.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 26 November 2007 18:09 (thirteen years ago) link

naw, it's more than showing too much enthusiasm. it's blind fanboy bullshit, an inability to admit that maybe your tastes are not for everybody, and CONSISTENTLY deriding those who disagree with you. xpp

ian, Monday, 26 November 2007 18:10 (thirteen years ago) link

Why does the cobra bite me when I put my hand next to its mouth?

Pleasant Plains, Monday, 26 November 2007 18:14 (thirteen years ago) link

Used to be more of a surprise factor.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 26 November 2007 18:16 (thirteen years ago) link

Wait, people are still getting butthurt over Alex in NYC?

HI DERE, Monday, 26 November 2007 18:43 (thirteen years ago) link

people are still saying butthurt?!

ian, Monday, 26 November 2007 18:45 (thirteen years ago) link

planet-engulfing dump

what fun it is to reign & sing a Slayer song tonight (Curt1s Stephens), Tuesday, 8 December 2009 00:07 (eleven years ago) link

Said it once & I'll assuredly say it again: FUCK Steely Dan.

Alex in NYC, Tuesday, 8 December 2009 04:06 (eleven years ago) link

Steely Dan is almost perfect but that is for another thread.

Bee OK, Tuesday, 8 December 2009 05:50 (eleven years ago) link

went into this thread wishing i'd been around to vote for killing joke...

a dimension that can only be accessed through self-immolation (contenderizer), Tuesday, 8 December 2009 09:34 (eleven years ago) link

jazz-rock beats goth every time.

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 8 December 2009 15:05 (eleven years ago) link

not every time.

what fun it is to reign & sing a Slayer song tonight (Curt1s Stephens), Tuesday, 8 December 2009 17:25 (eleven years ago) link

there are absolutely no circumstances in which steely dan are preferable to killing joke.

m the g, Tuesday, 8 December 2009 17:29 (eleven years ago) link

i can totally understand this POV if you're into goth

omar little, Tuesday, 8 December 2009 17:38 (eleven years ago) link

I'm into goth and the answer to this is still Steely Dan

Huckabee Jesus lifeline (HI DERE), Tuesday, 8 December 2009 17:40 (eleven years ago) link

i think "the royal scam" is the most goth steely dan album

eight woofers in the trunk sb'n down the block (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 8 December 2009 17:40 (eleven years ago) link

Very classy homophobia upthread, et al.

really senile old crap shit (Eric H.), Tuesday, 8 December 2009 17:45 (eleven years ago) link


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