Best Cocteau Twins album

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Really tough but Blue Bell Knoll just pips Treasure.

SeekAltRoute, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 11:25 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Treasure is so going to win, which for some reason disappoints me.

Trayce, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 12:28 (twelve years ago) Permalink

It feels like the one album everyone knows or something?

Trayce, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 12:28 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i voted heaven or las vegas (which to my ears is their most cohesive album, no big lulls in the play order and great songs all the way around)...personal favorites are head over heels and victorialand...and i could make a "best cocteaus album" case for anything excluding garlands and four calendar cafe, which are the dull spots in their impeccable discography for me

stephen, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 22:55 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I think I'm actually more a fan of their EPs than their albums. But that's splitting hairs, as honestly I love about 95% of their output completely unconditionally.

Trayce, Thursday, 3 May 2007 00:27 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I'm w/ Trayce. HOLV and M&K are my favorite long-players, but if it's desert island thing, I'm bringing the EP box...

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 3 May 2007 01:34 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I heart my EP box.

Trayce, Thursday, 3 May 2007 01:50 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Now that I've read the actual thread and see so many votes for Treasure, I wish I could change my vote to Head Over Heels, but too late...

Lostandfound, Thursday, 3 May 2007 02:41 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I think I loved their EPs better, too. In another life I had them all on vinyl, and now that I know it exists I need to get a hold of that box set I think.

Lostandfound, Thursday, 3 May 2007 02:43 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Bumpity boo.

Trayce, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 00:53 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I was sort of over the Cocteaux sound about five years ago, but BBK completely reassigned my pop circuits when I was 20, so that's my vote. One day I'll buy it on DAT...

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 09:22 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I wound up voting for Garlands, just because this poll ends tomorrow and I am in a Garlands mood right now. I would have voted for Echoes in a Shallow Bay in a heartbeat though!

Curt1s Stephens, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:30 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I voted for Milk & Kisses because I felt sorry for it.

HI DERE, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 21:50 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Hahah Dan :) I feel sorry for Four Calendar Cafe! Has anyone voted for that?

Trayce, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 22:17 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I really should do a Coc's ep/singles poll too. But then that still leaves out awesome songs like Millimillenary.

Trayce, Wednesday, 9 May 2007 22:19 (twelve years ago) Permalink

RESULTS! As I expected, Treasure won by a mile. Actually the whole result was pretty obvious, and poor old Four-Calendar Cafe :(

Trayce, Thursday, 10 May 2007 05:02 (twelve years ago) Permalink

summerhead dudes! :(

Charlie Howard, Thursday, 10 May 2007 17:18 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Dammit I was the only one who voted Moon and the Melodies.

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 10 May 2007 17:22 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I know, I love Summerhead too Charlie!

Trayce, Friday, 11 May 2007 04:46 (twelve years ago) Permalink

But - and it is one of the only CTs songs I'll say this about - I really dont like "Bluebeard" at all.

Trayce, Friday, 11 May 2007 04:46 (twelve years ago) Permalink

head over heels WUZ ROBBED (maybe the only album of theirs besides the pink opaque that i consistently listen to the whole way through)

impudent harlot, Friday, 11 May 2007 06:29 (twelve years ago) Permalink

lyrically, i like 'bluebeard'. but the song itself isn't fantastic.

interesting results, in any case.

Charlie Howard, Friday, 11 May 2007 08:12 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Impudent: I voted for head over heels, and I am listening to it RIGHT NOW. Musette and Drums was basically my intro into this band, and it was the live version on the Tube, omg.

Theres something about Liz's performances that does my head in, she is all at once nervous and wired and controlled and powerful.

Trayce, Friday, 11 May 2007 16:56 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I thought this poll was another lovely example of ILM. For OF COURSE TREASURE WINS and OF COURSE HEAVEN OR LAS VEGAS WAS SECOND. FOR THAT IS THE WAY OF THE COCTEAUS AND I AGREE. *holds candle in reverence*

Bimble, Saturday, 12 May 2007 12:02 (twelve years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

i voted "heaven or las vegas" here but i listened to all songs today in a non-album kontext and the result was quite surprising. for each song there was only the option to either love it or not to love it.

1. 90% (9/10) four-calendar café
2. 88% (7/8) garlands
3. 80% (8/10) heaven or las vegas

the only album which nobody voted for in the poll is my favourite at the moment. very weird.

alex in mainhattan, Sunday, 19 April 2009 16:05 (ten years ago) Permalink

i forgot the others. also strange, the poll winner is my least favourite album by them:

4. 50% milk & kisses
5. 44% victorialand
6. 40% head over heels
7. 30% blue bell knoll
8. 25% the moon % the melodies
9. 20% treasure

alex in mainhattan, Sunday, 19 April 2009 16:12 (ten years ago) Permalink

Oh my god, we're talking about Cocteaus on this board again? Please stop encouraging me! I don't know if I want to play Milk & Kisses or Blue Bell Knoll or Garlands or whatever the fuck. I really don't know.

Earl of Gothington Manor (Bimble), Sunday, 19 April 2009 16:48 (ten years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

My favourite is definitely Blue Bell Knoll for reasons outlined here:

yugi ex, Friday, 17 February 2012 18:48 (seven years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

i really don't understand why nobody voted for four-calendar café. i still think it is their most consistent album. and it has one of their most amazing songs on it: theft, and wandering around lost.

it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Friday, 6 September 2013 19:14 (five years ago) Permalink

ten months pass...

maybe it's just because it's the first one i heard way back when, but blue bell knoll is probably my favorite, just wall to wall classics. it's so cool how the cocteau twins have such artfully subtle sonic variations on each of their albums so that choosing a favorite is almost down to what specific texture grabs you the most on a particular day.. like different alloys or something.

brimstead, Monday, 7 July 2014 22:54 (four years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

xp to brimstead - title track on Blue Bell Knoll is probably one of my favourite songs by Cocteaus.

I could totally go for a whole album of this country-fried dream rock though:

Week of Wonders (Ross), Friday, 21 July 2017 00:36 (one year ago) Permalink

I probably would've voted for "Treasure" but really the answer is the singles box.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 21 July 2017 02:18 (one year ago) Permalink

Completely agree. So many classic bsides

Week of Wonders (Ross), Friday, 21 July 2017 03:25 (one year ago) Permalink

listening to four calendar café and milk & kisses for the first time ever and ...they're not as bad as i assumed they'd be? nowhere near the highs of heaven or las vegas, but not bad at all

just another (diamonddave85), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 18:43 (one year ago) Permalink

Nah. I might have a soft spot because they were two of the first I heard but I think they're great.

I Dream of Juice (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 18:44 (one year ago) Permalink

Songs like 'Summer-Blink' are a million miles away from where they started but it feels like a well-earned and reflective respite at the end of a long journey.

I Dream of Juice (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 18:46 (one year ago) Permalink

The problem I have with Four Calendar Cafe and Milk & Kisses is that they didn't advance beyond the sound of Heaven or Las Vegas. Before that, each album was a progression from the sound of the previous one (admittedly, only a matter of degrees--they were never not going to sound like Cocteau Twins). But after briefly experimenting with some very different approaches on the 1995 Twinlights and Otherness EPs, I was disappointed the following year when Milk & Kisses seemed to reflected none of that.

Hideous Lump, Thursday, 3 August 2017 03:13 (one year ago) Permalink

The Otherness EP is post-peak peak CT, but owe's more to Seefeel's Mark Clifford.

For me, its either Head Over Heels or the EPs from Spangle Maker to

Are you Eating It...or is It Eating You? (Sanpaku), Thursday, 3 August 2017 03:40 (one year ago) Permalink

oops... to Love's Easy Tears.

Are you Eating It...or is It Eating You? (Sanpaku), Thursday, 3 August 2017 03:41 (one year ago) Permalink

The problem I have with Four Calendar Cafe and Milk & Kisses is that they didn't advance beyond the sound of Heaven or Las Vegas.

Agreed but I think "Four Calendar Cafe" is almost a perfect album, the sound is so lush, there is hardly a medium track. In a way it is an improvement on "Heaven or Las Vegas" though I heard that one first and it will always be my #1 pick of the Cocteaus. "Milk & Kisses" really pales at the end, the sound is there again but the songwriting isn't. It feels pretty hollow. They should have finished with "Four Calendar Cafe".

Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Thursday, 3 August 2017 11:24 (one year ago) Permalink

I feel exactly the opposite. "Milk & Kisses" really is Cocteau by numbers, but at least the songs are there. I find 4CC kind of boring and uninspired.

LeRooLeRoo, Thursday, 3 August 2017 14:33 (one year ago) Permalink

never got into four calendar cafe, agree with LeRooLeRoo here. Really been into head over heels / sunburst and snowblind lately. Though I think the version of "sugar hiccup" on BBC session kills the studio flat. BBC sessions is probably one of their best records

Week of Wonders (Ross), Thursday, 3 August 2017 17:32 (one year ago) Permalink

Is there an EP's poll?

Cake hawn. (jed_), Thursday, 3 August 2017 18:19 (one year ago) Permalink

Hi Jed

Can you pick the best Cocteau Twins EP/single? (poll ends 15/05/07)

love's easy tears is clearly the best tho

Week of Wonders (Ross), Thursday, 3 August 2017 19:47 (one year ago) Permalink

Thanks, Ross.

Cake hawn. (jed_), Thursday, 3 August 2017 20:35 (one year ago) Permalink

This album poll is impossible though. Depends on whatever CT i'm listening to at the time. Victorialand would probably be my choice. "Sunday" on Valet's album "Nature" totally rips on "Lazy Calm" by CT, recommended if you like that same sublime buzz

Week of Wonders (Ross), Thursday, 3 August 2017 20:45 (one year ago) Permalink

I have the suspicion that "Four Calendar Cafe" is not loved as it is the first album where she sings in English, where her lyrics make sense. The mystery is gone, she is just like you and me, no angel and no elf. That's totally ridiculous but the only possible reason I can up with why nobody except me loves that album. "Bluebeard" is such a great tune and the guitar has got that phantastic twangy indierock feel. And the song after is probably the best song in their oeuvre. I wrote it already upthread. It is utter perfection, music to bath in. The next song where she stutters is phantastic again. Are you all deaf? FCC is a pop album but it is of one piece, seriously underestimated. If I want to öisten to ONE album by them these days it is FCC.

Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Friday, 4 August 2017 20:19 (one year ago) Permalink

can up with = can come up with

Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Friday, 4 August 2017 20:20 (one year ago) Permalink

There's the problem: twangy indierock feel. For longterm fans, Cocteau Twins always offered otherworldly escapism.

#IMPOTUS (Sanpaku), Friday, 4 August 2017 20:25 (one year ago) Permalink

Half Gifts is devastating partly because of its direct intimate lyrics

Week of Wonders (Ross), Friday, 4 August 2017 20:29 (one year ago) Permalink

Victorialand always.

jmm, Tuesday, 4 September 2018 17:06 (eight months ago) Permalink

BBK forever but I did listen to Head Over Heels for the first time in a few years on a solo wander around Epping Forest, after a lunchtime pint, and it was glorious!

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 4 September 2018 21:17 (eight months ago) Permalink

They were always one of those bands where I'd change my mind on which my favourite album was. I think Head Over Heels was my favourite when I first got into them. Heaven Or Las Vegas is far ahead of the others these days. Victorialand in second place.

kitchen person, Tuesday, 4 September 2018 21:21 (eight months ago) Permalink

I think I'd forgotten how cavernous and teenage-intense HoH is; some of Liz's most memorable pre-conlang lyrics too - "There’s only a hair’s breadth between us/Askew as we are", "Paramour/ooze out and away onehow", "In the gold dust rush I only genuflect". No wonder her and Ian McC were such good mates. Sing nonsense as if your life depends on it.

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 4 September 2018 22:22 (eight months ago) Permalink

Genuflect is a very bunnymen word, yes. In fact I was after another use of genuflect to complete a trilogy and this will do nicely.

(Ultra Vivid Scene being the other, shut your eyes and genuflect, the avenging angel comes.)

koogs, Tuesday, 4 September 2018 22:33 (eight months ago) Permalink

there's also 23 years too late by wire from read and burn 3

com rad erry red flag (f. hazel), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 00:45 (eight months ago) Permalink


Elizabeth Fraser, the other worldly voice of Cocteau Twins performed a rare gig in London on Monday night. Fraser has been elusive these days, having only performed live a handful of times since the band’s demise over 20 years ago.

Britain's Sexiest Cow (jed_), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 02:04 (eight months ago) Permalink

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So, last night we hosted a rare performance from the glorious Liz Fraser who was joined by John Grant for a song. What a privilege! We still can't quite believe it happened! Huge thanks to Elena Tonra (Daughter) and Julia Biel for their gorgeous opening sets. What a night! — with Caroline Cremin.

Britain's Sexiest Cow (jed_), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 02:04 (eight months ago) Permalink

Did it actually happen? Yes it did. Liz Fraser and John Grant joined us in our intimate salon and sang us to heaven.

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Britain's Sexiest Cow (jed_), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 02:06 (eight months ago) Permalink

HOLV seems to be the consensus pick these days, and would probably win if this poll were run again. I dunno, I still think Treasure is their defining moment – the apex of their early pre-Raphaelite leanings.

the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 09:36 (eight months ago) Permalink

To me it's always felt HOLV was the consensus pick?

It will never not be Blue Bell Knoll for me, but any of the others can give it a run for its money on a suitable day. Currently rediscovering Victorialand for the tenth time.

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 09:44 (eight months ago) Permalink

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