― wogan lenin (dog latin), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 14:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― marbles (marbles), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 15:39 (seventeen years ago) link
WHATEVS, HATER
― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 15:46 (seventeen years ago) link
-- wogan lenin (doglati...), September 12th, 2006.
People don't like it because (I'm guessing the conventional wisdom here or speaking for myself) the tempos are dull and plodding the drumming is awful and it just sounds flat and devoid of any kind of energy or enthusiasm that the first three records had. Pavement were good at being a fake punk band (Serpentine Pad) country band (Range Life) and noise band (Fork Lift, Chelsey's Little Wrists) but they sound better when their prog is more Fillmore Jive than TT. They also sound better when it sounds like they are having fun, and this album--great lyrics aside--does not sound like they are having fun. It sounds like work.
― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 16:03 (seventeen years ago) link
funny stuff, keep it up ilm!
― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 16:07 (seventeen years ago) link
― Stew (stew s), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 16:24 (seventeen years ago) link
You have weird ears!
― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 16:28 (seventeen years ago) link
― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 16:36 (seventeen years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 16:39 (seventeen years ago) link
― Clumsy Colin in ACTION BIKER (coach_mcguirk), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 20:13 (seventeen years ago) link
― Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 21:14 (seventeen years ago) link
― the dow nut industrial average dead joe mama besser (donut), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 21:23 (seventeen years ago) link
― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 22:46 (seventeen years ago) link
i can't believe i'm defending pavement on ilm, the home of pavementlove, but, really, ALL their albums are pretty good! i mean, if you like them, i can't imagine NOT listening to one or another. they are all very pavement-y and they all have their moments. terror twilight is hardly some aberration in their catalog. it sounds exactly like a pavement album!
― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 22:57 (seventeen years ago) link
You have weird ears!"
nah, that's pretty right on. i recall being excited, then hearing it, then loving it, then putting some between it. coming back to it a year later, it already sounded dull. there ARE some songs here and there, but they really didn't translate onto the album all that well. stand out would be Speak, See, Remeber/ the Hexx.and a few b-sides, but, overall it's just pretty meh, and as was said 'out with a whimper'. it's just background.
― edde (edde), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 23:46 (seventeen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 00:58 (seventeen years ago) link
"Watch out for the gypsy children in electric dresses, they're insane/I hear they live in crematoriums and smoke your remains"
???
― dar1a g (daria g), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 02:48 (seventeen years ago) link
-- Matthew Perpetua! (matthewfluxblo...), September 12th, 2006 7:46 PM. (Matthew Perpetua!) (later)
still selling those on ebay, matthew?
― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 04:30 (seventeen years ago) link
― ruddy raleigh and the rickets (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 04:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― Erroneous Botch (joseph cotten), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 05:47 (seventeen years ago) link
Scott OTM upthread. I never understood the massive contrasts in opinions about Pavement albums - they're all good and they're all Pavement-y. But maybe fans who came to them via their early stuff are looking for something else that they decided to shed after CRCR (or even Slanted). I'm not such a big fan of Slanted and Westing, but if you take each album on its own merit rather than comparing it to other works, you'll see they're all pretty good.
― wogan lenin (dog latin), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 09:06 (seventeen years ago) link
― Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 10:50 (seventeen years ago) link
― pscott (elwisty), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 11:09 (seventeen years ago) link
― edde (edde), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 13:37 (seventeen years ago) link
― o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 13:38 (seventeen years ago) link
I know I'm pretty much alone with my opinion. But for some reason, Pavement never GRABBED me after CRCR. I can't put my finger on it. But at the time, I remember thinking they had turned into an REM - just releasing variation after variation of their theme. I guess I liked em better scrappy, when the post punk influences were stronger than the jangle.
― Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 15:50 (seventeen years ago) link
as far as checking out other albums, i've never read anyone saying, "oh, this one is really something!" instead, it's "they're all pretty good."
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 16:07 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 16:08 (seventeen years ago) link
― pscott (elwisty), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 21:53 (seventeen years ago) link
― gentoo (gentoo), Thursday, 14 September 2006 16:27 (seventeen years ago) link
― electric sound of jim [and why not] (electricsound), Thursday, 14 September 2006 22:11 (seventeen years ago) link
― J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Thursday, 14 September 2006 23:22 (seventeen years ago) link
― William Ryan Stuart Hamilton (Stagger Lee), Thursday, 14 September 2006 23:34 (seventeen years ago) link
Lip balm on watery clay Relationships hey hey hey...
― Steve Shasta, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 22:02 (fifteen years ago) link
^^^best song on the album
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 22:02 (fifteen years ago) link
platform blues
― dmr, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 22:06 (fifteen years ago) link
"Major Leagues" = my life after thirty.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 22:12 (fifteen years ago) link
people who don't like this album just because it doesn't sound like slanted and enchanted should listen again.
― the next grozart, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 22:25 (fifteen years ago) link
It's not one of their very best because it sounds cobbled together instad of conceived, hasty instead of thought-through, but I still love.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 22:26 (fifteen years ago) link
xp Their worst. Some of the songs are among their best but as an album it sure sounds like they were having a miserable time.
― sonderangerbot, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 22:28 (fifteen years ago) link
awesome album!
― Maria :D, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 22:36 (fifteen years ago) link
that was me. though i think maria likes pavement fine.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 22:36 (fifteen years ago) link
haha, i love this album. might not be the pavement album i reach for all the most, but i like it whenever i do reach for it. looking at the tracklisting now, i don't think there's a single song I don't like on it ... which i can't say about BTC these days. though the live versions of some of this stuff might be better, esp. "folk jam."
― tylerw, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 22:39 (fifteen years ago) link
pavement threads on ILM are always funny. WHAT IS THE BEST ALBUM!?
― tylerw, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 22:41 (fifteen years ago) link
I feel I need to listen to this now. Oddly enough I watched Slow Century last night
― sonderangerbot, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 22:43 (fifteen years ago) link
I pretty much hate the Nigel Godrich production (I usually do!) and at least half the songs are either cringeworthy or aimless but "Spit on a Stranger", "Major Leagues", and "Carrot Rope" are all aces
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 22:44 (fifteen years ago) link
yesss carrot rope
― wilter, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 22:45 (fifteen years ago) link
The Hexx is the jam too
― wilter, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 22:47 (fifteen years ago) link
I like Cream Of Gold. It is my least favourite Pavement album though. And not because it doesn't sound like S&E, I like Brighten The Corners just fine.
― Colonel Poo, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 22:48 (fifteen years ago) link
the problem with it is its the beginning of SM's guitar noodling-focused solo career and it sounds like it
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 22:50 (fifteen years ago) link
SM wearing same shirt as seen on back cover of Starlite Walker?: https://www.instagram.com/p/CcvpxHEPyxS/
― Hops: Mosaic, Citra, Simcoe (morrisp), Sunday, 24 April 2022 22:35 (one year ago) link
"Folk Jam" is much more enjoyable on this tour, partly because Malkmus's become a much better improviser so it's now a showcase for some mellow jamming.
― birdistheword, Friday, 7 October 2022 17:25 (one year ago) link
Right when they go into the "Marquee Moon" segue, it can get really nice. (Not sure if every show has been like that though.)
― birdistheword, Friday, 7 October 2022 17:28 (one year ago) link
listening to malkmus's demos from the deluxe reissue and i'm really surprised how synth-heavy they are. makes me wish the final album had malkmus's synth noodling all over it too, some of these are really great
― ufo, Tuesday, 21 February 2023 09:41 (one year ago) link
i have to say i'm devastated to learn that it's "lip balm on watery clay" and not "ripple on watery clay" which i really loved as a predecessor to "relationships hey hey hey".
― Heez, Monday, 21 August 2023 02:11 (seven months ago) link
I think I thought it was “pitcher of watery clay”
― brimstead, Monday, 21 August 2023 02:21 (seven months ago) link
I’ve come to realize that I didn’t correctly parse many of the lyrics on that album.
― Cone of uncertainty (morrisp), Monday, 21 August 2023 02:30 (seven months ago) link
Malkmus giveth & malkmus taketh away.
― BrianB, Monday, 21 August 2023 03:00 (seven months ago) link
i can hear both, but have always heard lip balm but i get it i get it
it's like malkmus anticipated those tiktok videos wherein you "hear" the person saying whatever words you're looking at
― a (waterface), Monday, 21 August 2023 14:47 (seven months ago) link
either way she kisses like a rock, okay
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 August 2023 14:48 (seven months ago) link
it was seriously a couplet i found solace in when going through issues with my partner. it would repeat in my head
Ripple on watery clayrelationships hey hey hey
there's something so comforting in that
and yeah, "you kiss like a rock but you know i need it anyway" is a beaut
― Heez, Monday, 21 August 2023 19:16 (seven months ago) link