Good Trip or Bummer? U.S. Psych Bands Doing "Old-Timey" Songs on Their Albums

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Yeah, that's what I was just thinking. Wait.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 27 October 2005 00:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Fucking bum-mer. Thanks, dorky 60s dudes. Guess what? It sounded dorky then, but it sounds dorkier now.

Complete Jackass, Thursday, 27 October 2005 00:23 (eighteen years ago) link

When this thread first passed through I completely forgot about something that is far worse than any of the old-timey whimsey mentioned so far and that's when the British bands would do their whole beer-hall drunken bloke singalong with tack piano and bawdy lyrics thing.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 27 October 2005 00:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Example #1-"Good Times" by The Animals

General Doinel (Charles McCain), Thursday, 27 October 2005 00:41 (eighteen years ago) link

i can't remember if anyone blamed the mamas & the papas on this thread, but they need to be blamed too. they were pretty early on. words of love and many more.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 27 October 2005 00:43 (eighteen years ago) link

they're not american, but i nominate the awful awful awful "waterloo road" by the otherwise wonderful Jason Crest. a definite bummer.

vacuum cleaner (electricsound), Thursday, 27 October 2005 00:52 (eighteen years ago) link

the bonnie and clyde tip is an interesting one... but i feel more of it does come from the Sf scene which probably didn't adopt the whole old-timey look in their clothes from that movie. the cover of brautigan's "trout fishing in america" is the perfect example... total boozy weirdos who look like quakers.
http://www.eoiweb.com/brautigan/images/cover_trout_dell.jpg
he wrote lyrics for the band Mad River (fuckin' great!), and shot himself sometime in the late 70s. a real bummer, cause the dude was onto a great post-beatnik yet somewhere pre-civil war america freak jag that really had no parallel in countercultural writing in the late 60s. mainly cause he was actually a GOOD writer.

it seems to me though that most SF bands were rocking the jumbled costume trunk look... strange amulets, long beads, dusty sports jackets over an electric pink shirt. wolfe does a good job of describing the development of this whole ethos in the electric kool-aid acid test.

my guess at the musical aspect? most psych heads came out of the folk scene. "take this hammer" became "take this pill and float down stream..." with the success of the beatles music hall style on songs like "when i'm sixty four", and every U.S. band trying to get hep to some british angle on the rock scene, a veritable eye for an eye was met - we can do Old Timey! and then you've got the trickle down effect to every joe and schmoe and his floating eyeball clobberers. it is often a wrench in the gears on otherwise great psych albums, but sometimes it lends a nice sunny day "butch cassidy and the sundance kid"=bicicyle riding vibe... IF they can pull it off... the american Kaleidoscope comes to mind, as does Chrysalis!!! who actually perfect some kind of amalgam in this haze...

try the worst/best: harper's bizarre - anything goes, which is ALL old-timey garbage, in the worst twee sense. yet i do like the follow-up album "4" a good bit which gets a lot better. their cover of "witchi-tai-to" is fuckin' great.

jack dee, Thursday, 27 October 2005 00:58 (eighteen years ago) link

oh, and hey, i will defend that track on the "United States of America" record. i love it. they are afterall, the United States of America. songs like that, however, are probably the reason why they trashed the USA's amps and musical equipment at a show they shared together... fuckin' punks...

jack dee, Thursday, 27 October 2005 01:05 (eighteen years ago) link

It is perhaps inexcusable that White Witch had one of these on their first album as late as nineteen fricking seventy-two.

Worse: Peter Gabriel does it in nineteen seventy-seven on "Excuse Me."

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 27 October 2005 01:34 (eighteen years ago) link

above, by "they" i mean the velvet underground... he he he

jack dee, Thursday, 27 October 2005 01:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Please don't blame "Words of Love" for things like the Monkees' "Magnolia Simms" and H.P. Lovecraft's "Time Machine." A dud phenomenon, all around.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Thursday, 27 October 2005 03:44 (eighteen years ago) link

nothin' wrong with a little old timey

jagged little filly (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 27 October 2005 03:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Gong has a drunken music hall singalong bit on Angel's Egg (I think), but they seem to know it's hokey, so that one's classic.

nickn (nickn), Thursday, 27 October 2005 06:36 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah there's a similar thing on twink's "think pink" called three little piggies... it's great cause it sounds like a farce on the whole thing, and they all sound quite full of wine

jack dee, Thursday, 27 October 2005 14:06 (eighteen years ago) link

I hate that song 'Granny takes a trip.'

Tripmaker (SDWitzm), Thursday, 27 October 2005 14:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Let's just blame Ian Whitcomb then. For the music hall stuff AND the rinky dink rudy vallee stuff. he was doing it as early as 1965 AND he was on two highly influential garage/psych labels: Jerden & Tower!

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 27 October 2005 14:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, the Gong singalong is one of the ones I was thinking of. I think there's one on the Bannanamoon album too.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 27 October 2005 14:41 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.chickenonaunicycle.com/Piano%20Drop%201.jpg

terry lennox. (gareth), Thursday, 27 October 2005 14:52 (eighteen years ago) link

I just put on Kaleidoscope and I realize that they even sing some of the psychedelic songs in old-timey voices. Question: am I the only one who thinks that the vocal hook from their "Please" may have been lifted by Mick Jones for "Train In Vain"?

k/l (Ken L), Thursday, 27 October 2005 14:57 (eighteen years ago) link

how this thread got this far w/o one single mention of the Lovin' Spoonful is beyond me

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 27 October 2005 15:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Do people think of them as a psych band?

k/l (Ken L), Thursday, 27 October 2005 15:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Upon listening to most of the Kaleidoscope ouvre, I cast my vote as "dud."

k/l (Ken L), Thursday, 27 October 2005 18:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Upon listening to most of the Kaleidoscope oeuvre, I cast my vote as "dud."

k/l (Ken L), Thursday, 27 October 2005 18:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Using the word oeuvre without knowing how to spell it = dud.

k/l (Ken L), Thursday, 27 October 2005 18:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Thursday, 27 October 2005 19:30 (eighteen years ago) link


The 90's equivilant of this is the "Size Of a Cow", "Digsy's Dinner" style rinky-dink knees-up tune. Not too sure exactly when that trend finally faded, but thank god it seems to be gone.

everything, Thursday, 27 October 2005 19:49 (eighteen years ago) link

eight years pass...

lol at "Magnolia Simms" actually having the record muffle, scratch and "skip back" for a last repeat of the chorus. Mike Nesmith's yodel attempt is cute too.

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 25 September 2014 19:12 (nine years ago) link

two years pass...

dunno where else to put this
http://bittersoutherner.com/from-the-southern-perspective/southern-music/when-the-hippies-came-to-nashville

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 26 April 2017 15:48 (seven years ago) link

Awesome, thanks for posting. Bought it when it came out, still one of my alltime favorite records.

I don't really like any of these albums (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 26 April 2017 17:22 (seven years ago) link

one of its major virtues (idk if this gets talked about at all) is the beautiful sound they got on this record. It's a happy coincidence that they were able to get so many old school country giants in the same room *and* take advantage of the peak of analog recording technology. Don't get me wrong I love the Carter Family and Flatt & Scruggs etc. but a lot of their classic recordings sound like what they were: rough, primitive, made with one microphone, that kind of thing. But here you get this fantastic, detailed, crystalline recording, you can really hear what everyone is doing.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 26 April 2017 17:29 (seven years ago) link

Yeah, it's beautifully done. I love how they left the little bits of conversation in there too.

I don't really like any of these albums (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 26 April 2017 17:32 (seven years ago) link

Never heard that record, must rectify that.

Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Wednesday, 26 April 2017 17:33 (seven years ago) link

the chatting is great, doc watson b.s.ing about autoharps with maybelle carter, can't beat that

global tetrahedron, Wednesday, 26 April 2017 17:38 (seven years ago) link

not US but UK psych. Bill Wyman-produced The End doing "She Said Yeah" with psych barbershop vocals and a nice New Orlean jazz style sax solo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt2Zm-I5Hss

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 26 April 2017 21:34 (seven years ago) link

one year passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwVu54JKgHY

Tommy James & The Shondells - Papa Rolled His Own

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 1 July 2018 00:19 (five years ago) link

two weeks pass...

The Mamas and the Papas win this, too, with "Words of Love!"

timellison, Saturday, 21 July 2018 19:13 (five years ago) link

some of the "old-timey" songs are fucking awful, some of them are quite good (just like the songs they're calling back to!). it depends on the song. "on with the show" by the stones is fucking great. "anything goes" by harper's bizarre is quite good. "granny takes a trip" is winking bullshit.

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Saturday, 21 July 2018 19:45 (five years ago) link

I wonder how much the Old-Timey vibe (which I think also partially stemmed from folknik interest in the same - hence your Jim Kweskin Jug Bands and so on) went on to inform hippie-derived beardy kids' performers in the 70s and beyond. Thinking of the vo-vodie-oh type quality to "Skinnamarinky Dinky Dink" or whatever, as performed to close out Sharon Lois & Bram's Elephant Show, or IIRC some Sesame Street/Schoolhouse Rock stuff. Did Raffi ever do this?

This is a total Jeff Porcaro. (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 22 July 2018 03:56 (five years ago) link

The Mothers, "Bow Tie Daddy" (all 36 seconds worth)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHWdlN9d35M

Chase Knobbe? Have you Courtney Cox? (Tom D.), Sunday, 22 July 2018 09:43 (five years ago) link

Romance Is on the Rise by Genevieve Waite sort of fits here. More of John Phillips (her husband and songwriter) channeling Tin Pan Alley than jug bands, but it sticks to gentle old melodies while maintaining a 1974 glam of satin hot pants and tinsel boas.

Mungolian Jerryset (bendy), Sunday, 22 July 2018 13:29 (five years ago) link


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