Rivers Cuomo's Harvard Application Essay

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"I studied the lives of Napoleon and David Geffen."

This made me giggle for some reason.

Talent Explosion (Talent Explosion), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 17:17 (nineteen years ago) link

I like how he blames Nietzsche for how much he's started sucking. My alternate theory: the whole reason Pinkerton was so great is that it really honestly sounds like the record a guy like him would write during an awkward freshman year of college. Which, of course, is exactly the kind of thing you disown immediately afterward, because it's incredibly embarrassing. He should have stuck it out there -- if he'd kept on with such an honest collegiate track, by the time he was a senior we'd have gotten some sort of pseudo-experimental Mouse on Mars collaboration out of him.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 17:19 (nineteen years ago) link

haha nabiso otm

I'm glad there has been three threads on this.

theycallmetator, Wednesday, 4 August 2004 18:22 (nineteen years ago) link

btw heres what rivers has been listening to:

ABBA, am Radio, Bach, Beach Boys, Beatles, Bee Gees, Beethoven, Billy Joel, Burt Bacharach, Chet Baker, Chopin, Dusty Springfield, Fate's Warning, France Gall, Francoise Hardy, Joao Gilberto, Kate Bush, KISS, Metallica, Mozart, Neil Diamond, Nirvana, Oasis, Ozma, Prince, Puccini, Schubert, Schumann's "Dichterliebe", Stravinsky, Tchaikovsky, The Cure, Van Morrison

theycallmetator, Wednesday, 4 August 2004 18:23 (nineteen years ago) link

no wonder Weezer sucks

Holy Crap! Typhoon is Coming!!! :O (ex machina), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 18:24 (nineteen years ago) link

nitsuh, please write me!

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 19:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Argh, he alphabetized "The Cure" under T and all the solo performers by their first names. Assclown.

St. Nicholas (Nick A.), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 20:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Argh, he alphabetized "The Cure" under T and all the solo performers by their first names. Assclown.

In Rivers' defense, he probably just cut-and-pasted a playlist out of a stupid mp3 player that doesn't alphabetize intelligently. Like, I dunno, every single one of them (except for the most recent version(s) of iTunes which are smart enough to disregard articles like "the").

martin m. (mushrush), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 20:29 (nineteen years ago) link

However, not in Rivers' defense, he really needs to broaden his musical horizons. And I don't mean by throwing all of the most common classical composers into playlist of equally likely contemporary pop musicians, cause he's already done that.

martin m. (mushrush), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 20:31 (nineteen years ago) link

dude france gall is not an obvious contemporary pop musician~!!

amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 20:56 (nineteen years ago) link

i don't get why people are so worked up abou this.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 21:03 (nineteen years ago) link

i thought weezer was supposed to be all wry and ironic. that letter is pretty heart-on-sleeve nauseating.

amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 21:05 (nineteen years ago) link

somebody hasn't heard Pinkerton

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 21:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Christ people. Weezer doesn't make good music, true (very true), but when it comes down to picking apart his musical tastes and going "HE CAPITALIZED THE CURE OMG WHAT A FAG" you're really reaching. He likes ABBA and Kiss, you should be happy -- he didn't list Dashboard at least.

Although, for a 34 year old, he seems incredibly immature.

David Allen (David Allen), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 21:29 (nineteen years ago) link


somebody hasn't heard Pinkerton

-- CeCe Peniston (anthonymicci...) (webmail), August 4th, 2004 3:07 PM. (Anthony Miccio) (later) (link)

i don't think i've heard anything aside from "buddy holly" and "the sweater song"--or are those the same song? oh, now i sound like chuck eddy.

amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 21:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Believe me, you're not missing much. Pinkerton seems to be this generation's Catcher in the Rye -- something else I can't stand, for that matter.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 21:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey, I'm actually one of the few around here who actually likes Weezer, though I think that Matt Sharp's exit from the band was the end of their being interesting.

I don't agree w/ Ned on the Pinkerton to Catcher in the Rye comparison, though I think I see what he's getting at.

At any rate, Weezer's never been particularly ironic. Not any more than any 30-something who somewhat self-mockingly talks about time spent reading comics, playing D&D or listening to Kiss in the garage when they were young.

martin m. (mushrush), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 21:57 (nineteen years ago) link

FWIW, I think the first Weezer is the most interesting and consistent album, but I think Pinkerton has some of the group's (or Rivers') best songwriting. i.e. There are songs on Pinkerton that rock harder.

martin m. (mushrush), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 21:59 (nineteen years ago) link

My god does this guy need his own fucking brain.

What's next? "I walked by a McDonalds, and from that point on I ate only McNuggets, wore yellow and red, slept by the dumpster..."

John 2, Thursday, 5 August 2004 03:06 (nineteen years ago) link

The Weezer Study

MerkinMuffley (MerkinMuffley), Thursday, 5 August 2004 06:51 (nineteen years ago) link

My post about misalphabetizing his music list was not an attack on his musical tastes, it was an attack on someone APPLYING TO GO TO HARVARD AND NOT KNOWING THE PROPER FUCKING WAY TO PUT THINGS IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER.

St. Nicholas (Nick A.), Thursday, 5 August 2004 14:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Seriously, this is the thread that keeps on giving.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 5 August 2004 14:09 (nineteen years ago) link

The inevitable "Why do you care?" question comes up (and I'm not even a fan of Weezer or anything).

-- VengaDan Perry (djperr...)

What, is this guy not allowed to be roasted here like every other musician? Or is your Harvard pride rearing its head?

Joseph Pot (STINKOR™), Thursday, 5 August 2004 22:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I think you have misinterpreted.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 5 August 2004 23:22 (nineteen years ago) link

oh was it in reply to the "stealing Japanese girls" post before it, not the thread in general? sorry.

Joseph Pot (STINKOR™), Friday, 6 August 2004 00:03 (nineteen years ago) link

St. Nicholas, I bet I can find you at least three dozen Harvard undergrads, grads and MBAs who not only cannot properly put a list in alphabetical order, they also can't properly punctuate a sentence or edit a piece of text. Those kinds of prosaic skills are all too uncommon in the highly educated. Believe me, I've worked under enough of them to know.

phil d., Friday, 6 August 2004 01:04 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't imagine caring enough about Rivers Cuomo to unleash this amount of derision on him. He's had about as much impact on my life as something that's had absolutely no impact on my life. It's like watching a room full of people bitching about Charo.

I'm also deeply amused that people think that going to Harvard automatically means you have perfect grammar and are super-eloquent but that's a completely seperate thing.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 August 2004 01:30 (nineteen years ago) link

I guess my point is that a good percentage of ILM threads tear bands/musicians to pieces. I mean practically the whole forum begs the question "Why do you care?" so it's kind of a moot point. Why bring it up in this thread and not the Black Eyed Peas one, which is just as brutal. I don't know him personally nor do I have anything against Weezer. It's just a poor essay written by famous person who has apparently surrounded himself online with people constantly telling him he's brilliant and genius. Charo, on the other hand, has yet to enter the ring of pseudo-philosophical essay-writing as far as I know.

"Ooh-eee-ooh, I look just like Krishnamurti..."

Joseph Pot (STINKOR™), Friday, 6 August 2004 04:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Charo's Wissenschaftlehre is pretty good reading, though.

||amateur!st|| (amateurist), Friday, 6 August 2004 04:28 (nineteen years ago) link

"The Work of Guitar in the Age of Mechanical Kootchie-Kootchie-Kootchie"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 August 2004 04:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't imagine caring enough about Rivers Cuomo to unleash this amount of derision on him. He's had about as much impact on my life as something that's had absolutely no impact on my life. It's like watching a room full of people bitching about Charo.
I'm also deeply amused that people think that going to Harvard automatically means you have perfect grammar and are super-eloquent but that's a completely seperate thing.

-- VengaDan Perry (djperr...), August 6th, 2004.

OTM.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 6 August 2004 04:30 (nineteen years ago) link


Charo's Wissenschaftlehre is pretty good reading, though.

-- ||amateur!st|| (||...) (webmail), August 6th, 2004 12:28 AM. (amateurist) (later) (link)

There's an interesting chapter on Heidegger's concept of vorhanden followed by a smoking cover of "Proud Mary."

||| (amateurist), Friday, 6 August 2004 04:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Tractatus-Logicootchie-cootchie-cootchie

Joseph Pot (STINKOR™), Friday, 6 August 2004 04:39 (nineteen years ago) link

What the hell does get you into harvard then if not eloquence?

I mean, fuck.

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AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 6 August 2004 07:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Things that can get you into Harvard:

1) High test scores & good grades
2) A large number of diverse extracurricular activities, particular if you hold leadership positions in them.
3) Great rapport with your interviewer.
4) Legacy.
5) Fame.
6) $$$$$.
7) Sports recruitment.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 August 2004 12:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Also:

Why bring it up in this thread and not the Black Eyed Peas one, which is just as brutal.

The funny thing is I was about to!

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 August 2004 12:29 (nineteen years ago) link

i've edited books by ivy league professors that are gramatically challenged.

||amateur!st|| (amateurist), Friday, 6 August 2004 13:33 (nineteen years ago) link

um...

common_person (common_person), Friday, 6 August 2004 14:10 (nineteen years ago) link

My post about misalphabetizing his music list was not an attack on his musical tastes, it was an attack on someone APPLYING TO GO TO HARVARD AND NOT KNOWING THE PROPER FUCKING WAY TO PUT THINGS IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER.

Not knowing... or not caring about something that fucking trivial?

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Friday, 6 August 2004 18:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Rivers Cuomo - Too Cool for the Alphabet.

St. Nicholas (Nick A.), Friday, 6 August 2004 19:08 (nineteen years ago) link

STONE ALL HARVARD PEOPLE

(for real)

(ow)

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 August 2004 19:16 (nineteen years ago) link

The alphabet is totally trivial. It's only like THE CORNERSTONE OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION.

St. Nicholas (Nick A.), Friday, 6 August 2004 19:27 (nineteen years ago) link

TS: the alphabet vs alphabetical order

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 August 2004 19:30 (nineteen years ago) link

The alphabet would be much cooler if it wasn't in alphabetical order.

St. Nicholas (Nick A.), Friday, 6 August 2004 19:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Q, W, E, R, T, Y, U,
I, O, P, A, S-D-F-G-H,
J, K, L,
Z, X, C,
V, B, N and M

Now I now my QREs
Next time won't you type with me?

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 6 August 2004 19:33 (nineteen years ago) link

"He's had about as much impact on my life as something that's had absolutely no impact on my life."

I don't know why that's the funniest thing I've read all day, but it totally is.

Rick Massimo (Rick Massimo), Friday, 6 August 2004 19:37 (nineteen years ago) link

He's had about as much impact on my life as something that's had absolutely no impact on my life. It's like watching a room full of people bitching about Charo.

upon re-reading this I actually see you point and agree. before I read this essay/thread I really had no negative or positive connotations associated with this guy.

still a crappy essay though. D+

"Why bring it up in this thread and not the Black Eyed Peas one, which is just as brutal."

The funny thing is I was about to!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO *deep breath* OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Joseph Pot (STINKOR™), Friday, 6 August 2004 20:10 (nineteen years ago) link

four years pass...

hipster fashion preview for 2k9?

Adam Bruneau, Monday, 1 December 2008 04:11 (fifteen years ago) link

I could not tell if my current predicament was just a classic case of an audience lagging behind the development of an artist (as in the case of Bob Dylan when he went electric)

francisF, Monday, 1 December 2008 20:47 (fifteen years ago) link

he's a classic case all right

francisF, Monday, 1 December 2008 20:48 (fifteen years ago) link

Yeah, "Beverly Hills" was too far ahead of its time for us to fully grasp

skygreenleopard, Monday, 1 December 2008 22:18 (fifteen years ago) link

I can't believe no one caught my hilarious addition to his essay. I guess it's a testament to the absurdity of some of his sentences that the bogus ones don't really stand out that much.

Z S, Monday, 1 December 2008 22:45 (fifteen years ago) link

I can see the absurdity and pomposity, but it's basically a noble, honest-seeming essay. He doesn't elevate himself so much as examine the manner in which he knows he elevates himself (while also elevating himself, but that seems inevitable). I find it hard to "create" without struggling with a conflicted sense of my own greatness/failure, so I can accept his descriptions of the process at face value. I guess I only mean that I can relate, though I'm not a Celebrity Rock Artist.

4 sentences, 3 beginning with "I", 6 uses of the word "I".

contenderizer, Monday, 1 December 2008 23:39 (fifteen years ago) link

I volunteered six days a week at Project Angel Food in Hollywood, preparing meals for people with HIV.

ive volunteered here, place is dope

♪☺♫☻ (gr8080), Tuesday, 2 December 2008 01:01 (fifteen years ago) link

1P3 volunteering thread

roxymuzak, Friday, 5 December 2008 22:04 (fifteen years ago) link

five years pass...

I studied other writers’ methods. I took hundreds of pages of notes on the creative process, mostly from Nietzsche, but also from Goethe and Stravinsky.

Stravinsky influence really shows in "Hash Pipe".

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 20 March 2014 00:05 (ten years ago) link

"Island in the Sun" lyrics could be ripped straight from the pages of "Faust".

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 20 March 2014 00:06 (ten years ago) link

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Goethe_%28Stieler_1828%29.jpg/486px-Goethe_%28Stieler_1828%29.jpg

You can't find the words to say
All the things that come to you

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 20 March 2014 00:07 (ten years ago) link


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