romantics are creepy!!

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Sounds a little bit like lonely comma toronto man.

Lars and Jagger (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 19:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Kate, the haggisypus is part of a competition, they pop up on the Scotsman's webcams and stuff from time to time and if you spot one and email to the Scotsman you get entered into a prize draw to win stuff (so says the woman married to a competition fiend who used to bookmark the page and check it from time to time in case there was a haggis on it - I think we might even have won something as a result, but I can't remember, we used to win loads of shit round about that time).

Back on topic, I think putting a note through someone's door is a lot less scary and a bit more respectful than some things a truly creepy and obsessed man could have done to her. Though I guess it depends on the content of the note. But if it was politely asking for a date, then he may well have thought it was less embarrassing all round than chatting her up at work, approaching her in the street etc.

I know this terribly gender-traitorous of me, so I'll stop short of wondering how much different this would have been *had* he actually been attractive to her.

ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 21:03 (eighteen years ago) link

is not one else noticing that he was already cited for doing similar in a previous incident, a month earlier, towards the same girl?

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 21:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Going to the bank and writing a letter doesn't really constitute breach of the peace, does it? (I mean, he wasn't found guilty of it, but how could someone even consider that to be breaching the peace? Cozen? Some other Scots Law expert?)

ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 21:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Scots like it v peaceful obviously.

I'm not saying the prior incident constitutes breaking the law but certainly explains the girl ringing the cops when same guy shows up AGAIN, this time at her house.

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 21:15 (eighteen years ago) link

"Officer, please help, a man has posted a letter through my door...no, he didn't say anything, or come in, or threaten me...no, the letter wasn't threatening, it was just asking me out on a date...no, but really, once he came into a bank during opening hours and stood around for a bit. He's a menace to society! Hang him!"

Dear fucking God. People today, waste of taxpayers money, blah blah *goes off to read the Daily Mail*

ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 21:21 (eighteen years ago) link

You've got to be kidding me.

I'm not saying the guy deserves to have to pay 200 quid but for fuck's sake, the guy loitered at her work and left her a "love letter" and got in trouble for it (I'm assuming just for loitering in the bank, security guards get antsy), and then less than a month later stayed around all day and followed her home, and somehow she's the object of ridicule here and a completely unreasonable person?

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 21:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Speaking as someone who almost got run off of campus for ridiculing a Take Back The Night rally ("Exactly when did you ladies have control of the night? Are you sure you've got the right title there?"), I've got to say that there wasn't anything about this story that made me think that the authorities were overreacting OR underreacting.

Dude did something stupid. Dude got fined for it. Dude is obviously still pining but isn't going to shell out another 200 pounds. FIN (cue dalmation puppy on a unicycle)

Dan (False Controversy) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 21:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Would I have called the cops? No, I wouldn't have. Would I have had someone go beat the shit out of the guy and been completely weirded out? Yes, I would have. TS: getting arrested versus getting a beating!

xpost Dan is OTM! Also I wonder how the dude's gf of SEVEN YEARS feels! WTF!

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 21:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Dude isn't pining, dude got back with his old girlfriend.

I'm just playing devil's advocate to everyone that thinks this dude is a creep. He's a bit of a div with a rubbish way with the ladies, yes, but he's hardly a danger to society.

ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 21:33 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm totally with Ally.

Besides, if a guy is deluded enough to think a girl will respond favourably to a letter through her door left by a guy who saw her at work and followed her home, he is obviously a little unhinged from reality. How could she be sure he was harmless?

Cathy (Cathy), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 21:37 (eighteen years ago) link

A bad sign is that he says "I don't really think I did anything wrong, but it was my fault it happened, and I had to plead guilty really for her sake."

Despite his lawyer saying he knows that he did something stupid. It sounds like he's still kind of obsessed and thinks his pleading guilty will impress the girl.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 21:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Alba's quote is my main evidence for the "Dude is obviously still pining" statement.

Dan (For Her Sake? Come On Now) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 21:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Would I have had someone go beat the shit out of the guy [...] Yes

And lo, Ally turns out to be more frightening than anyone else mentioned so far in this thread...

JimD (JimD), Thursday, 22 December 2005 15:21 (eighteen years ago) link

this SHOULD have been about the band. wtf.

u saved me (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 22 December 2005 15:22 (eighteen years ago) link

I do not condone this behaviour

xx-post

cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 22 December 2005 15:34 (eighteen years ago) link

he's probably totally harmless, yeah, but OTOH for every actually totally harmless creepo there's a seemingly totally harmless creepo who actually does go nuts so there you go! Like I said, I wouldn't have personally called the cops at that point but I could understand why a person would get very upset by that behavior and ring the cops.

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Thursday, 22 December 2005 15:38 (eighteen years ago) link

And lo, Ally turns out to be more frightening than anyone else mentioned so far in this thread...

Are you new?

Dan (Ally Is The Original ILX Gangsta Boo) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 22 December 2005 16:01 (eighteen years ago) link

haha

JimD (JimD), Thursday, 22 December 2005 16:06 (eighteen years ago) link

It's a hard knock life, people.

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Thursday, 22 December 2005 16:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Women who get stalked in the U.S. get shit protection. The perp has to actually attack the woman in order for the cops to get serious.

Je4nn3 ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Thursday, 22 December 2005 16:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Ally OTM, and you know what? He should know better. If his motivations are so doggone PURE (and he's not just a kerrrazy stalker), he ought to be aware that women do, to some degree, stay on their guard all the damn time so don't give them any more fucking nonsense to worry about. It brings to mind men of my acquaintance who have said, "but it's okay if I whistle at girls! I'm not dangerous/creepy/disrespectful!". Le sigh of LONGSUFFERING FURY. THEY don't know that, you short-sighted priviliged idiot, nor should they have to concern themselves for TWO SECONDS about whether you are or aren't a threat. If a woman even has to ask herself that question, you're doing something wrong.

Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 22 December 2005 16:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Without condoning private vigilantism, I sympathise with the lady but I also think it's sad that the dude's so unable to read the woman that he thought this might lead to something.

M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 22 December 2005 17:08 (eighteen years ago) link

The Christmas tree farm where we buy our tree every year was started up by a couple in tribute to their daughter, who was shot dead by her "boyfriend" in the middle of church one Sunday, a day after she tried to break up with him. They channel most everything after operating expenses to a foundation in her name, which gives mainly to women's shelters I believe. Every time I hear or read about romantic obsession I think about this girl. Creepy doesn't begin to cover it.

I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 22 December 2005 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link

x-posts

to briefly address your question ailsa: the scots law of breach of the peace is so flexible as to be able to be put towards any action which can be deemed to be disturbing to a member or members of the public; it's really a catch-all crime (it's because of this almost indeterminate nature of the crime that it's been taken to task quite a lot, from what I remember, in strasbourg). here's the definition from a quick scout around the internet (reads like macdonald to me but there's no citation) (found on an activists webpage no less):

conduct "genuinely alarming and disturbing, in its context, to any reasonable person ... it is clear that something substantially greater than mere irritation is involved"

so yeah - another one of our problematic criminal laws folx!!

cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 22 December 2005 18:30 (eighteen years ago) link

tomorrow on 'cozen teaches the law of scotland' we'll deal with the (in)coherence of scots criminal law, specifically in relation to the collapsing of mens rea into the actus reus of murder by the epochal case of HMA Vs. drury

cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 22 December 2005 18:32 (eighteen years ago) link

flexin ma mussels!!!

cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 22 December 2005 18:33 (eighteen years ago) link

the scots law of breach of the peace is so flexible as to be able to be put towards any action which can be deemed to be disturbing to a member or members of the public; it's really a catch-all crime (it's because of this almost indeterminate nature of the crime that it's been taken to task quite a lot, from what I remember, in strasbourg). here's the definition from a quick scout around the internet (reads like macdonald to me but there's no citation) (found on an activists webpage no less):

conduct "genuinely alarming and disturbing, in its context, to any reasonable person ... it is clear that something substantially greater than mere irritation is involved"

So you could be fined for eating an ice cream cone, alone, out on the street?

Lars and Jagger (Ex Leon), Thursday, 22 December 2005 18:50 (eighteen years ago) link

oh god

cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 22 December 2005 18:54 (eighteen years ago) link

rumpie to thread

mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 22 December 2005 18:56 (eighteen years ago) link

roffles

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Thursday, 22 December 2005 19:31 (eighteen years ago) link

i was at mcdonald's the other day and quite fancied this girl, so i looked at her name badge and worked out what her name was.. it was kind of creepy actually wasn't it?

ken c (ken c), Friday, 23 December 2005 09:55 (eighteen years ago) link

i don't think that's creepy.

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 23 December 2005 10:01 (eighteen years ago) link

only if you're posting this from her computer now

gear (gear), Friday, 23 December 2005 10:02 (eighteen years ago) link

I think I committed a breach of the peace on the train this morning listening to vitalic at top volume through my portapros

cozen (Cozen), Friday, 23 December 2005 10:04 (eighteen years ago) link

if ken googled her, would that be creepy?

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 23 December 2005 10:05 (eighteen years ago) link

i think it's a fine law we could do with here. peace-wise, there are few 'reasonable people' in london, hence people breach the fuck out of it.

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 23 December 2005 10:06 (eighteen years ago) link

I've always find it weird to call people who believe in love on first sight as "romantics". If you fancy someone merely based on her appearance, isn't that rather shallow, and therefore the opposite of romantic? I consider myself a romantic, but I'd never fall for someone without even talking to her to first.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 23 December 2005 10:15 (eighteen years ago) link

if you fancy someone enough, you'll find ways of liking them, maybe. i don't know, it's complicated, appearances tell you quite a lot, really. but i don't think you have to oppose 'romantic' to 'shallow'.

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 23 December 2005 10:18 (eighteen years ago) link

I committed a breach of the peace on the train to Weybridge with a copy of the Sunday Sport.

(when I was 13)

Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 23 December 2005 10:52 (eighteen years ago) link

...

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Friday, 23 December 2005 15:30 (eighteen years ago) link

a breach of his zipper

u saved me (dubplatestyle), Friday, 23 December 2005 15:31 (eighteen years ago) link

sixteen years pass...

“your husband’s a lucky man”

i actually heard this in an airport bar

Tracer Hand, Friday, 5 August 2022 08:53 (one year ago) link


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