A question for those whom have never known snow...

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I've seen plenty of snow. I'm seeing snow right now. I stiil think it's pretty neato.

The harshness of a winter is relative to each person based on what they've been accustomed to. A 60 degree day now would feel warm, in June, cold. Same thing.

oops (Oops), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 05:40 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm seeing snow right now. I stiil think it's pretty neato.

Isn't it, though? So pretty as it falls. It's starting to stick, too... 2 to 4 inches by morning.

Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 05:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Snow was cool until about the age of 12. The first day my father handed me the shovel and told me to clear the driveway on my own, that was it. Going out the front door on a winter morning when it's still dark, and having to dig the car out before you can even leave is the worst thing in the world. I hate driving in it, I hate being splashed by disgusting brown slush. It looks good on postcards, but the reality is much harsher. Snowballs are fun, but they hardly make up for the rest.

J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 06:08 (nineteen years ago) link

It looks even more neatoer while driving.
xpost

oops (Oops), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 06:10 (nineteen years ago) link

You're forgetting snow forts!
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Apparently now known as (o )( o) (Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 06:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Ah - it is the driving thing that inspired this thread.
I was telling my Australian g/f that it might be snowing for my drive to Québec City in December. Her response was along the lines of "Ooohh, that will make for a nice drive". I then explained to her why it would make for anything but.

I kind of realized that to those with little snow experience; snow = lovely & picturesque, something to appreciate for its beauty.
But to those who(m) have become accustomed it and what it brings; snow = chaos & pain, something to fear!

Apparently now known as (o )( o) (Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 06:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I miss snow.

luna (luna.c), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 06:29 (nineteen years ago) link

in chicago everyone complains about the heat and the cold.

we all suck and are bitches.

todd swiss (eliti), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 07:33 (nineteen years ago) link

J-rock's old-enough-to-hold-a-shovel story otm.

Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 07:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Yep. In fact, I don't think I'm ever going to own a house/live at my parents' house in Wisconsin just to avoid the snow shovelling.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 13:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I actually meant it the other way around, Sam -- that the long duration of the winters would make people complain about it more, because you have time for the novelty to wear off and you get sick of being sick (or everyone around you being sick; somehow that's worse because you can't do anything about it). But for NY, I don't know -- I was guessing based on NH (which, granted, I lived in back when things were colder).

For me, heat will always trump cold because in few parts of the country does heat hurt. Sure, you can suffer heat stroke and heat exhaustion, but rarely by just standing around, and even in hot parts of the country those aren't usual risks for a typical summer day. Waiting for the bus in sub-zero weather, bundled up like that kid from A Christmas Story, and still in pain because of how cold the air is when I inhale? Dud. But that's just the "I hate being covered in sweat after walking to the mailbox" analogue; ultimately there is not much objective to say about weather except to note that it happens.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 14:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh I love this thread. I really hope it snows this year, we never get enough. Even the Highlands don't get as much as they once did - hence the closure of some of the ski resorts.

We had quite a good snowfall about three years ago, really thick and heavy and the best I've seen in my lifetime.

Last year Kev and I went 'snowchasing' and ended up in a carpark in Aberfoyle doing handbrake turns in the two inches of snow. We were only about thirty miles from home but even as we drove back towards Glasgow the snow was disappearing.

Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 14:15 (nineteen years ago) link

can someone please do change that "whom" it's hurting my eyes more than any snowball ever did.

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 14:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I like it, it's kinda foppish....

Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 14:26 (nineteen years ago) link

I like it. It just proves why they should get rid of "whom" altogether.

Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 14:32 (nineteen years ago) link

This thread is FOR WHOM THE SNOW TOLLS
(I cannot believe what a bunch of grammar bitches some of you people are - live a little)

Apparently now known as (o )( o) (Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 14:33 (nineteen years ago) link

I love snow, esp. because snow means sledding. Ice storms, on the other hand, worry me.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 14:36 (nineteen years ago) link

i like snow cos it keeps tolling threads.

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 14:36 (nineteen years ago) link

there was this one really beautiful moment about 5 years ago, i was looking outside my university window. It was the first day of snow of the year. Just as I was admiring the tranquility of the snow covered land, a group of foreign students from the far east appeared and I figured that they had never seen snow in person before, as they were getting very excited and half of them started rolling around in the snow. It was really sweet. They all looked so happy.

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 14:43 (nineteen years ago) link

anyone else make snow cream? it may be a weird regional thing, but it is yummy!

Emilymv (Emilymv), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 15:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Is that like a snow cone?

The boobs previously known as Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 15:37 (nineteen years ago) link

you take fresh snow, put in large mixing bowl, add sugar, vanilla extract and milk/cream. we usually used uwhipped heavy whipping cream. anyway, then stir together. it is like slushy ice cream, but very refreshing. also adding mint is tasty.

Emilymv (Emilymv), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 15:39 (nineteen years ago) link

But snow is dirty! Even 'fresh' snow! Would you drink rainwater?

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 15:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Only with grain alcohol

Jimmy Mod always makes friends with women before bedding them down (ModJ), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 15:43 (nineteen years ago) link

I thought that was a dirty joke.

How do you make snow cream?

Give it a blow-job fnar fnar.

Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 15:45 (nineteen years ago) link

dirty, shmirty. live a little. anyway, i don't live in love canal.

Emilymv (Emilymv), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 15:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Ah, snow. Nice to regard from a distance.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 16:08 (nineteen years ago) link

You mean from California?

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 16:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Such a wise man you are.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 16:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I would love to see the madness that would result from a freak blizzard in Cali.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 16:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Lots of people drink rain water...

I don't think I could live without snow. Like rain, the sea, wind etc. It's good that I live in Scotland.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 16:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I kind of realized that to those with little snow experience; snow = lovely & picturesque, something to appreciate for its beauty.
But to those who(m) have become accustomed it and what it brings; snow = chaos & pain, something to fear!

It's both to me. Sometimes simultaneously.

I'm with Tep re: The Heat vs. The Cold. In addition to what he said, The Cold is more soul-destroying than heat. Heat makes you lazy and tired and sweaty. Cold makes you want to kick God in the balls with cleats. I don't know how it is elsewhere, but here it's cloudy 4 out of 5 days in the winter. That coupled with The Cold makes one miserable. In Phoenix in July, the heat is oppressive but at least it's sunny. Sunshine does me good. I spent a good deal of time in Phoenix during the summer months, helped my sister move when it was 113F. It did suck, but not as much as the time I helped her move back to Chicago and it took me half an hour to get the lock off the back of the truck because it was frozen. In a Phoenix summer, the night provides a bit of a respite. Still hot, but you could go for a hike or a stroll without too much discomfort. In a Chicago winter, it's cold as fuck during the day, and EVEN COLDER at night. Fuck this shit.

oops (Oops), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 16:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh and snow ain't shit. Ice is the real S.O.B. Spent 5 minutes outside this morning (30 mins earlier I was in my warm, cozy bed) just trying to get into my car because the doors (and the locks) were ffrozen shut. Then another 5 minutes scraping the ice off of every window, 4 sq inches at a time. I almost slipped and busted my shit a dozen times cause I'm in dressyish shoes and, yep, the driveway had a nice coating of ice, too. Fuck this shit.

oops (Oops), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 16:30 (nineteen years ago) link

We don't get as much snow as our grannies did though Kevin....

Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 16:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I would love to see the madness that would result from a freak blizzard in Cali.
I remember when I lived in Texas and every once in a blue moon there would be a light dusting of snow and it would feel incredibly dangerous to drive on the highway because everybody would drive either: (a) too slow, about 20 mph, or (b) too fast, 65 plus mph, as if it wasn't snowing at all.

Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 16:32 (nineteen years ago) link

The Cold is more soul-destroying than heat. Heat makes you lazy and tired and sweaty. Cold makes you want to kick God in the balls with cleats

but doesn't being angry have more soul than being lazy??

(but yes of course if you did manage to kick god's balls, he'd damn well really destroy your soul)

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 16:33 (nineteen years ago) link

That's true, Rumpy. I definitely prefer being cold to being hot - it's easier to control your temperature starting from cold than hot.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 16:35 (nineteen years ago) link

That's just for the first month or so, the wanting to harm and maim the Creator. After that, your spirit has been broken, you are God's bitch, and you're in a corner (by the heat vent, obv) rocking back and forth while sucking on your thumb.

oops (Oops), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 16:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Having grown up with snow or slush every winter as a child, I love living within driving distance of snow without having to endure it all winter.

Funny, oops.

Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 16:40 (nineteen years ago) link

The only thing "better" about the cold: you can always put on another layer, but you can only take off so many, esp if don't want to get arrested. But the flipside is that in The Heat, girlies be scantily-clad.

xpost yeah that would be ideal. nice place to visit, etc.

oops (Oops), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 16:43 (nineteen years ago) link

I sleep better in the cold, assuming I have sufficient blankets/heat.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 16:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Of course, getting out of a warm bed in the mornings is sometimes an unthinkable task.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 16:50 (nineteen years ago) link

I remember when I lived in Texas and every once in a blue moon there would be a light dusting of snow and it would feel incredibly dangerous to drive on the highway because everybody would drive either: (a) too slow, about 20 mph, or (b) too fast, 65 plus mph, as if it wasn't snowing at all.

In Chicago, people are the same way. Those going way too fast tend to be SUVs and others who have 4 wheel drive, which helps you get going in the snow but doesn't help at all when braking, genius.

oops (Oops), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link

They should be going even slower than people in sedans, since their brakes have an extra ton or two worth of momentum to work against.

oops (Oops), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 16:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, the freeways are downright scary after the first snow, people don't remember how to deal with it.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 16:58 (nineteen years ago) link

We got a pretty good snowfall the day before Thanksgiving, (didn't pay attention to the weatherman beforehand, so had to use my sleeves to wipe off the 4 inches of compacted snow on my car. FUN!) and traffic was hellish. I stayed away from the tollway and made it home in 45 mins (usually takes a lil more than a half hour). My friend and sister took the interstates, and had an over 2 hour commute home.

oops (Oops), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 17:02 (nineteen years ago) link

I am so glad I was in Denver for the Great Snowfall of March '03 - it was just astonishing, amazing, wondrous, though it became hugely inconvenient obviously. But three feet of snow - I doubt I'll ever see it again.

Jesus Christ, Paraplegic (Mark C), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 17:11 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't drive. None of what you guys are talking about bothers me at all. My bike seat was covered in ice this morning, though, so I walked to work. *shrug* That's life.

Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 17:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Not if you're somewhere warm it isn't!

oops (Oops), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 18:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Kenan, last year was the mildest winter I can remember. We only had like, what, 5 days of bitter cold? I can't imagine that biking around when it's 0 degrees better than driving around during it.

oops (Oops), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 18:48 (nineteen years ago) link

shutoff for the bathroom could be in the basement. i would call a plumber to see if they can tell you where it might be even if they can't come out right now. could save you a lot of trouble and $ in the future. like your bathtub falling through the ceiling as in breaking bad!

superdeep borehole (harbl), Thursday, 18 February 2021 18:11 (three years ago) link

we don't have basements here! as f. hazel was saying, I believe the tub that is against the exterior wall is the culprit.

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Thursday, 18 February 2021 18:20 (three years ago) link

I've had frozen pipes in Georgia and Oregon and both times the problem was a pipe within an exterior, noninsulated wall

rob, Thursday, 18 February 2021 18:23 (three years ago) link

I worked on a gut and remodel of a Craftsman-style bungalow, when we got to tearing off the exterior walls, the insulation was torn up newspaper from the '20s.

Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Thursday, 18 February 2021 22:30 (three years ago) link

Tons of houses like that in Houston and Dallas - in the Sun Belt boom areas, the situation is less dire with houses built later.

Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Thursday, 18 February 2021 22:31 (three years ago) link

Yeah my house growing up in AU had external pipes, or at least exposed and in the garage.

Even we once had blocked pipes due to a freezing winter (about -10C). But only the once.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 18 February 2021 22:57 (three years ago) link

...and we're back to sunny and highs in the upper 60s. it's beautiful outside, which belies how deeply traumatized people are.

fbclid=fhAZ3l (f. hazel), Sunday, 21 February 2021 17:42 (three years ago) link

only a 60 degree shift in less than a week, no biggie. It is very strange how it's just gone, but there's a lot left to do to get back to fully functioning.

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Sunday, 21 February 2021 18:15 (three years ago) link

I think the rapid shifts increase the psychological weight - it happens every lesser winter storm, everyone is dazed for a few days because it so quickly ramps back into being nice. This time I'm seeing so many people with a thousand yard stare.

Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Sunday, 21 February 2021 19:10 (three years ago) link

Yeah, and after a year of COVID a lot of people went into this with not much left in the tank. And having your own home turn into hostile territory after months of being your sole refuge just breaks your brain.

I checked my receipts, and it looks like I started planning for this on the 7th, I bought a bunch of firewood and placed a big HEB curbside order for the 10th. At the time it seemed like overkill, now I'm glad I did it since I ended up hosting a guest for four days. My hands are still all torn to shit from digging in the ice for water shutoff valves.

fbclid=fhAZ3l (f. hazel), Monday, 22 February 2021 01:17 (three years ago) link

And this was a statewide disaster event, unlike a hurricane, which just pounds the coastal areas but generally falls apart into rain and minor wind incidents by the time they get to Austin or DFW.

"what are you DOING to fleetwood mac??" (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 22 February 2021 01:31 (three years ago) link


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