― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 27 August 2004 21:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Friday, 27 August 2004 21:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― eddie hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 28 August 2004 17:30 (nineteen years ago) link
the deniro bits are straightforward enough. childlike, really.
but can anyone come out here and explain the rest of it?
there are two brothers michael is trying to shake down in vegas? and hyman roth is in cahoots with them, possibly? but hyman claims to be on michael's side?
they try to kill michael, and try to pin it on the old guy back from new york.
and then they try to kill that old guy, and tell him it's on michael's orders (this is confusing, because maybe it is michael!).
er, and at some undisclosed point the feds investigate the corleone family and they have to go to court.
i think i would have liked a godfather 1.5, in which vito and mo green (=bugsy siegel?) and hyman roth build up their empire of crime. i guess roth is coming out of chicago?
― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 09:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 11:59 (eighteen years ago) link
Brando's performance is mostly hammy crap. And if you ever see I in a theater, Diane Keaton's assorted hairstyles draw gales of laughter.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 14:51 (eighteen years ago) link
― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 14:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:04 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:10 (eighteen years ago) link
― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:25 (eighteen years ago) link
Not compared to III!
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:30 (eighteen years ago) link
does "ham" mean "jew"?
kidding.
I loved Strasberg in 2, the scene where he's talking about Moe Green (Siegel), not getting a plaque and all that...
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:43 (eighteen years ago) link
right, but don corleone isn't a funny, warm, or human kinda guy.
― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:47 (eighteen years ago) link
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:51 (eighteen years ago) link
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:53 (eighteen years ago) link
Coppola himself says he could've done a smarter, more polished job on the first one (much of which he shot under rumor of being imminently fired).
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:54 (eighteen years ago) link
Also, his performance in the film is overrated anyway! Oh noes, DeNiro learnt Eyetalian!!! Oh noes! FILM OF TEH YEAR! etc. If he learnt Eyetalian, got fat, and shaved a mohawk into his head, now you'd be talking.
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:56 (eighteen years ago) link
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 16:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 17:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 17:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 17:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 17:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 17:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 17:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― Pete W (peterw), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 17:19 (eighteen years ago) link
"completely and utterly," eh?
No, it wasn't "necessary," but Coppola's triumph (and Mario Puzo's too, i guess) is that they deepen this pulp with a flashback that's no hazy romanticization of the Corleone family, but a clearheaded explanation of how this family sunk their meathooks into the New World.
No scene moves me more in GFII than the one in which young Vito, alone in a dank Ellis Island room, sings a half-remembered tune in this angelic voice, his back to the camera. Unnecessary, yes, but haunting.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 17:25 (eighteen years ago) link
Alfred, if you want to respond to the entirety of what I wrote, which is that one or the other part of the movie was unnecessary and that having BOTH is what constitutes train wreck status, that would be nice. I'd prefer it if they left out almost all of the "modern day" crap!
― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 17:27 (eighteen years ago) link
gabb, you mean Gordon Willis not Parks yes? II is one of the great 'underlit' American films. Gimme gimme gimme my dark, well-upholstered interiors.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 17:36 (eighteen years ago) link
The second one I kept waiting for the cops to show up and violently bust everyone. Kung-fu cops. I couldn't figure out what the fuckin' point of that shit was at all.
― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 3 January 2006 17:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 17:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 17:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― JTS (JTS), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 13:26 (eighteen years ago) link
It's not a BAD film -- Pacino is just about as good (and Joe Mantegna offed too soon), but almost everything else is two to ten notches below the standard.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 14:20 (eighteen years ago) link
i am amused that dom kind of repped for 'you've got mail', upthread.
― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 14:22 (eighteen years ago) link
The bum lines are worse in II, and the pattern repetition thing is overdone, and I still can't figure out exactly what Fredo did (give the location of Michael's bedroom? Kill the shooters himself?). I do think the De Niro stuff romanticizes the Don, and that his turn to crime is a little too elegant. But it's still a great family drama.
III sucked mainly because he stopped being Michael and started doing "Al."
― Pete Scholtes (Pete Scholtes), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:59 (eighteen years ago) link
er, yes. I'm not a fan of dark, "well-upholstered" interiors per se. I love Willis' dark moody semi-exteriors in ATPM, but perhaps only because they're balanced by the warm light of the newsroom (never has fluorescence looked so good) and the, er, harsh light of day when Woodward walks through that Justice Department (?) courtyard.
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 18:15 (eighteen years ago) link
A rather perverse claim, since at the time of On the Waterfront I don't believe Brando was getting his lines through an earpiece or from cue cards scattered around the set and taped to his fellow actors' foreheads.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 January 2006 20:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 11 August 2006 22:25 (seventeen years ago) link
(masked and very very distanced of course)
― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, 19 February 2024 04:42 (one month ago) link
It's gotten old. That was all decided last year.
― clemenza, Monday, 19 February 2024 05:15 (one month ago) link
CLEMENZA
― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, 19 February 2024 05:23 (one month ago) link
Anyway watching this tonight was a blessing.
― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, 19 February 2024 05:24 (one month ago) link
always a good call <3
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 19 February 2024 06:07 (one month ago) link
Part II at Regal cinemas in the US for $5 this week
― bae (sic), Monday, 19 February 2024 09:12 (one month ago) link
WAHT
― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, 19 February 2024 15:01 (one month ago) link
Part II at Regal cinemas in the US for $5 this week.
― bae (sic), Monday, 19 February 2024 15:59 (one month ago) link
lol
― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, 19 February 2024 15:59 (one month ago) link
my offer is this:
nothing.
― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, 19 February 2024 17:26 (one month ago) link
I had the odd experience of watching II before I watched I. Anyway, I prefer the second, particularly the denouement. And the Fredo/Michael dynamic. Cazale is just devastating.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 19 February 2024 17:35 (one month ago) link