S&D: Serial Killers

http://www.manhunter.net/remake/gfx/160/ralph_fiennes.jpg

Destroy:

http://www.thisisbradford.co.uk/bradford__district/leisure/cinema/jpg/red-dragon.jpg

Interesting thing is that ever since Gary Ridgway was arrested for about four or five of the Green River killings, ever since he's been in police custody, suddenly they're finding the remains of some of the missing females who were thought to have been the victims of the Green River killer. They found Pammy Avent, April Buttram, and Marie Malvar, and hopefully they'll find Kelli McGinness, Rebecca Marrero, Patricia Osborn, Kase Lee, and Kristi Vorak. And I wonder who the unidentified victims were. Hmmm.

*swoon*

Search: anything by Jack Olsen

*stares and blinks*

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They make good villains in films because there is a kind of existential force of evil aspect to them.

Does anyone remember the Cereal Convention in Sandman?

http://www.sensesofcinema.com/images/directors/02/21/manhunter.jpg

Oh definitely. I just put photos of the attractive movie serial killers under Search. The scenes where Fiennes is all "I'm hideously disfigureded! Like my soul!" are hilarious because he is so not.

Programing Language Inventors or Serial Killers?

I can't help but find Zodiac to be the most interesting, mostly because of the cypher work, the symbology, and the obvious invented personas/information purely for the "I'm fucking with you" vibe. Not getting caught also adds intrigue bonus points...

I'm reading his bio. It's hellascary.

-- DV (dirtyvica...), November 5th, 2003.

You read too many comics.

That's either the best or the worst film script idea I've ever heard.

-- @d@ml (nordiA HREF="mailto:icskilla@hotmail.c">icskilla@hotmail.com), November 5th, 2003.

Depending on whether or not it stars Keanu Reeves in a major role.

-- nickalicious (nza2342...), November 5th, 2003.

ROFFLE

i think im in love

>>>I'm reading his bio. It's hellascary.

Ah, memories. The summer & autumn that Ramirez was at large in SoCal it was a big, big deal if you lived down there. Come autumn in southern California there's little nicer than to just leave your window open and let the breezes come through the room. My friend Rozz liked to sleep with his windows open; he was also the singer from Christian Death, and normally very very into the whole serial-killer-as-poetic-icon thing (as were we all). But he was pretty terrified of the Night Stalker, who at one point got into a house just a few blocks away from the Rozz household - though the cops were on his trail by that point, so nobody died in that particular break-in. We had a mutual friend named Gene who bore a resemblence to the police sketch of Ramirez that'd been airing on the local news; I remember Rozz noting the resemblence once at a party and grabbing my wrist and whispering "I think the Night Stalker looks like Gene!" It was just really adorable & endearing how much Rozz was thinking about this whole current-events killer-at-large thing in such a normal, ghoulishly-fascinated-but-holy-fuck-I-ain't-wanna-die way.

it would be great if there was some serial killer who decided to be the greatest serial killer of them all by hunting down and killing all the others.

-- DV (dirtyvica...), November 5th, 2003.

RIP http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hZhDoDqouJ3AOSJHeB7TBN-fYTnQD94CU9NO2

i used to live in the same apartment building as this guy, just 20 years later. there were probably other serial killers living there, though.

Oh, Shawcross. How much will we not miss him...

Wikepedia details on various serial killers:

"He began to stalk local women as a teenager, knocking down or choking them unconscious, and fleeing with their shoes."

"Bonin carried out the crime with his primary accomplice, Vernon Butts, a 22-year-old factory worker who boasted of being a wizard, and who slept in a coffin."

"Herbert Richard "Herb" Baumeister (April 7, 1947 – July 3, 1996) was an alleged American serial killer from suburban Westfield, Indiana outside of Indianapolis. He was the founder of the successful thrift store chain Sav-a-Lot in Indiana."

"He was connected to the bodies due to his habit of drinking vodka out of the little bottles similar to alcohol bottles found on airplanes, and pouring them into an orange juice bottle to make a screwdriver."

"There has never been any firm evidence that the alligators actually ate any of his victims."

"Strange events followed his death that lead some people to believe he was, as he had claimed, possessed by the devil. Detective Geyer was taken seriously ill. The warden of the prison where Holmes was held committed suicide. The foreman of the jury that convicted him was accidentally electrocuted. The father of Emeline Cigrand (one of Holmes' victims) was horribly burned in a boiler explosion. The priest who delivered the last rites on Holmes' body was mysteriously found dead on his church's grounds. Finally, a fire completely destroyed the interior of the Chicago district attorney's office, leaving only a photograph of Holmes untouched."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Sowell

four more bodies today, plus a skull in a bucket

Urgh. As a teenager I found it intriguing. Now? I don't find it that fascinating anymore.

I find the fact if Kemper's self-reflexive comedy timing the most ugly and most scary fact abt him, actually — certainly the hardest for me to process and be comfortable with. I can't be comfortable with it, bcz it means a state of mind i put a lot of moral trust in and enjoy — a playful sense of fun — is not firewalled territory after all.

mark s HUGELY otm here even if I'm not quite sure what "self-reflexive" means

i was just about to copy and post that from mark s. really insightful.

(think he meant 'inflective'?)

duh reflective

If I can explain it correctly; the act of examing oneself but in doing so actually influencing one's own behavior. Kind of a loop of cause and effect. How that is tied to the comedy timing, that I don't understand completely. Maybe it's the quote that explains it: sort of funny but, in saying it also causing it, making it real. Does that make any sense at all?

No, he definitely meant reflexive. Not reflective. Reflective lacks the causal effect. I think. Mark S, I admire, but he's so way out of my league. :-)

you're more than likely right- i'm the dude that just typed inflective, after all.

obv destroy all of these motherfuckers. i think the creepiest one ever might the btk killer, since iirc he was a family man and a pretty normal churchgoing suburban dad type who was also a totally disassociated berserk killer.

Why do so many serial killers work as truckers?

Why do so many serial killers work as truckers? Does the transient, rootless nature of the job stir in some people a latent potential for violence? Or do the already violent seek out a job that provides the mobility, and soundproof vehicle, to hunt undetected?

The FBI was so alarmed by what they saw as a pattern of long-haul truckers preying on vulnerable victims like prostitutes, hitchhikers, and stranded motorists that they launched the Highway Serial Killings Initiative, a special unit that collects forensics data to track cases and suspects.

Investigators acknowledge that a specialized unit is needed because truck driver/highway murders are especially difficult to solve. They often involve multiple jurisdictions, isolated crime scenes with few witnesses, and little or no forensic evidence. Crisscrossing the country, truck drivers have a built-in ability to evade authorities.

One of the obvious, but nevertheless frightening, things about trucker killers is that while they're often caught for just one crime the far-reaching, wide-ranging nature of their routes suggests they're possibly, even likely, responsible for many more.

(more at link)

I just read about how they used his Amex statements to link him to a tinder account which was under a fake name and email which was linked to burner phones. He had repeatedly been searching for info on the case and suspects and also for info on the victims families.

So fucking creepy. Oh and they’ve already established that his wife was either out of state or abroad when 3 out of the 4 murders happened. They could have figured this out years ago. Jesus.

The way these guys will revel in the pain of the families is just some of the sickest shit, not that any aspect of their crimes isn't already on that level.

That's the part that just made my skin crawl. Not only do you have the pain of losing a family member, but you get stalked afterwards by the creepazoid who did.

it.

America

Gilgo Beach serial killings suspect Rex Heuermann has permits for 92 guns, Suffolk County District Attorney Ray Tierney said at a news conference Friday.

“He has a very large safe in which guns are kept,” he said.

When asked if investigators have found all 92 guns, Tierney said, “We are continuing to execute search warrants, so I’m sure we will have that answer shortly.”

just normal gun things

some amazing detective work by the task force on the cell phone side, everything is outlined here;

https://www.scribd.com/document/659084376/Gilgo-Beach-murder-court-documents#

Having read that, this guy's fucking cooked.

also the more I've read about this, they had most of these pieces around to solve this case years ago and simply didn't bother

guy seems to have not understood the point of a burner phone is that you use it once, or for one task, and then get rid of it.