Ministry. S&D.

_Twitch_ is their best album by a long shot, even though it's much more in the dance-industrial vein of things than their more recent stuff. I recently dug _The Land Of Rape And Honey_ out of storage and was blown away by how evily wonderful it is (especially "Flashback"). _A Mind Is A Terrible Thing To Taste_ has its high points ("Burning Inside", "The Angel Song", "Faith Collapsing", "Thieves", "Breathe", "So What"), but also contains the absolutely unforgivable "Cannibal Song". After a brief infatuation with "N.W.O." I completely lost interest in the band about the time _Psalm 69_ came out.

I too love WITH SYMPATHY, but I'd sooner steer you in the direction of "No Name No Slogan" by Acid Horse (Ministry with Cabaret Votaire), "Rubber Glove Seduction" by PTP (ditto), the fantastic "I Will Refuse" by Pailhead (Al Jourgensen & Ian MacKaye of Minor Threat/Fugazi) and the whomptastic "Apathy" by 1000 Homo DJ's (Al again).

Revolting Cocks-wise, I'd opt for BEERS STEERS + QUEERS every time.

also wonderful are the 'all day', 'haloween (remix)' and 'nature of love' 12"s on wax trax where you can hear the development from synth pop to gargantuan industrial drums taking shape.

The videos for that album, another matter entirely. ;-)

Gregg Araki, of all people, turned me onto Ministry in 1988 via an LA Weekly review of Rape and Honey. "All right," I thought, so I picked it up. "EURGH! What is all this noise! Pass." But I didn't get rid of it, and it slowly dug into my system, so by the time Mind came out I was well primed. Missed that tour, unfortunately, but did finally get to see them on Lolla 92, which was fucking goddamn fantastic (and though Gibby joined them onstage for "TV Song," they did *not* do "Jesus Built My Hot-Rod," the evening's one disappointment -- great rampage through "Supernaut" made up for it, though). After that, they spiralled off into not much, but Linger Fickin' Good had its points on the RevCo front.

What's wrong with "Cannibal Song," though? It's just them trying to be PiL with Chris Connelly as John Lydon -- seems to work.

Replace "work" with "fail utterly, making you want to build a time machine expressly so that you could go back to the delivery room and punch all of the mothers in the face at the moment when these tools were born" and you're approaching the level of disdain I have for that song. It's a static dirge with frightmarish vocals that seems to go out of its way to be stupid and annoying.

it's also a shame that jourgensen ruined most skinny puppy tracks he touched.

the "incase you didn't feel like showing up" video, is that the one with ogre and jello in it?

I really like about half of each of the _Land_ and _Mind_ albums - but in spite of liking NWO I never bought _Psalm_ : is it much the same as those 2, or were they getting more Metally and less Machiney ?

The problem with Ministry is that they started making too much money, which probably led to too much drugs.

I thought that was a joke.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/leicester/music/2003/05/images/download_150.jpg

Ministry `06 (with Tommy from Prong and Raven from KJ)

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Tommy Victor did play in Danzig as well, yeah, but I think that was more out of financial necessity.

and I don't get it- I saw Lazarus live over the summer and his set was 100% bouncey electro-house....

"The REVOLTING COCK."

"Heh heh, yeah, must be some strip show.. y' know.. with strippers."

I'm tempted to do a C/D for 'Filth Pig'. I hated it on release and never bothered checking out any of their stuff after that, but once in a while songs pop up on shuffle and they're usually pretty awesome (e.g. last night "Brick Windows")

twitch's rare mentions in this thread is a crime.

WHERE YOU AT NOW

i don't think I ever bought psalm despite loving Land and Mind. I did eventually download it but it was years and years later. To me they kind of ended with Mind, which is best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQozjL_Xi88

This is still probably Ministry's weirdest video ever. The fact that they used the 12" version for the video -- all 3 minutes of intro On-U sound drums -- is part of it. The other major part is the surprise(?) ending at 6:15. This was a cornerstone track for me... part On-U Sound, part Einsturzende Neubauten, part Dead Or Alive.

I should have looked for that video earlier. (And hi there, of course!)

"Everyday Is Halloween" is the song that made me notice Ministry but "Over the Shoulder" is the song that made me LOVE them (specifically that 12" version)

DEAD CATS HANGING FROM POLES

nobody with a good car needs to be justified

lol never realized this is from Hughes' Wise Blood before (such a great movie)

it is! love brad dourif so much in that movie. huston's though. john hughes' wise blood is a dream yet unfulfilled...

Uhh

http://i41.tinypic.com/34o8roj.jpg

whaaaat the fuck is that

New album, apparently. For some reason.

It's the worst album I've heard this year so far.

it looks like it

It has to be bad. A Republican is currently not president.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUhrBBsNTTA

Uhh. Al Jourgensen is slowly turning into Lisa Bonet's grandmother.

I would like to hear the half-assed Killing Joke melodic bit in the chorus rescued from this song and put in a better one.

From the cheap laughs department:

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Top-rated YouTube commenter on 99 Percenters bringing harsh truths:

Wow.... Just.... Wow. Been a fan through all incarnations since '86. Seen them live a ton of times.. Probably my favorite band of all time. After watching this, ... I'm getting off the crazy train. I thought there were some good tracks on the album, but this just comes off as sheer fucking laziness. It was a great run Al, but please stay true to your word and put this band to bed. Fuck, I never thought I'd join the haters... But this does suck.

GunHed17 2 weeks ago 7

I have a copy of that doc that came out, "Fix" or "Fixed" or w/e...part of me is curious but the rest of me kinda knows this is a thing I probably don't need to watch

A lot of mid-80s industrial is pretty hard to listen to - not because it's too harsh or gritty in the intended way, but because it uses lame mid-80s drum machines and transposed, key-triggered samples.

It sounds like a lot of these bands thought they sounded edgy and counter-cultural, but in retrospect it all sounds like Anne Dudley playing hookey with Ferris Bueller.

what drum machines should they have been using instead? drum machines from the future?

uhhhh Land Of Rape And Honey still pummels me in the face with "lame mid-80's drum machines" also 2) that's not the problem and b) RONG

i LOVE lame mid 80s drum machines.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/ministry-guitarist-mike-scaccia-dies-after-onstage-collapse-20121223

r.i.p.

Aww man. RIP. I was actually a fan of Rigor Mortis well before he joined Ministry, dude was pretty speedy.

After not having paid any attention to a Ministry album since Psalm 69 turned me off for good I was mildly curious to hear the new (supposedly last ever) album after reading Al saying that parts of it were inspired by Adrian Sherwood and would put King Tubby to shame on the dub front. Needless to say King Tubby can rest in his grave without having to worry that his techniques have been usurped by Al and Sherwood must be chuckling into his mixing desk at how bad it is. The "dub" bits make No Doubt seem like Prince Far I at his heaviest in comparison. Cod dub!

haha at you falling for it and checking it out!

There is never any compelling reason to listen to anything Ministry released after 1989.

yup, what a sucker! at least i maintain my *cough*youthful*cough* optimism / naiveté. xp

put King Tubby to shame on the dub front

this is just a shameful thing for anyone to claim

Well, King Tubby is dead, so maybe it's just a matter of parsing tense.

Had no idea this was completed or released but man, some harrowing (heroin) stuff:

http://vimeo.com/91347991

No matter how tempted you are, do not try and read Al's book.

Thanks for the warning. I'm always on the lookout for a good trashy drug band bio. What's bad about it?

Yeah, it's bad. I can't even remember enough about it to pick it apart, but it was just...dull.

It's dull because it's full of bullshit stories (some of which are patently not true) only told to make Al the greatest bestest drug taker ever. An awful lot of them have something "nearly" happen and there's a preponderance of casual racism, homophobia and rape culture that is sometimes glorified but at a minimum glossed over and excused with another anecdote where he has a token gay or black friend (invariably who he never mentions again).

i kind of almost enjoyed it even though i was fully aware it was BS. his treatise on economics at the end was complete and utter nonsense though; he patently thinks he's a lot smarter than he actually is or maybe he has genuinely fried his brain. i read chris connelly's book immediately after which is way better.

Yeah, I read Chris Connelly's first but it seemed so skewed to making out Al was a complete dick that I thought I'd read this for balance. Instead it reinforces some of the conclusions you make from the other book.

everyone otm

So this week, Ministry (via Cleopatra Records) posted a previously unreleased live album on Bandcamp. It's called Live Necronomicon, and it's about 85 minutes long - there's a double vinyl edition that may already be sold out, and then a digital version. No CDs. Anyway, according to this piece on Slicing Up Eyeballs, it's basically the raw tapes from In Case You Didn't Feel Like Showing Up, with a few Jello Biafra spoken-word bits and a version of Revolting Cocks' "Stainless Steel Providers" excised. Note that In Case... had a lot of studio overdubs, which are absent here, making the music much more overtly metallic and placing the vocals a lot higher in the mix. The set list includes their covers of Public Image Ltd.'s "Public Image" and Skinny Puppy's "Smothered Hope," and versions of Pailhead's "No Bunny" and "Man Should Surrender" and Lard's "The Power of Lard" and "Hellfudge." It's really good, and worth your nine bucks.

Chris Connelly lives by me. I see him all the time with his family, in full suburban dad mode.

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Ministry Visual History Book
Ministry: Prescripture Announced Today

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Out December 6, Read About the Book via Rolling Stone

Includes 7 inch of "(Every Day Is) Halloween (Acoustic)” featuring Dave Navarro (Jane’s Addiction)

The book features an introduction by Jello Biafra and exclusive quotes from members of Smashing Pumpkins, ZZ Top, Cheap Trick, NWA, Ramones, Nine Inch Nails, Tool, Megadeth, AFI, Slayer, Jane’s Addiction, Rammstein, The Flaming Lips, Devo, Butthole Surfers, Static-X, Anthrax, White Zombie, Death Grips, Bauhaus, Killing Joke, High on Fire, GWAR, Einstürzende Neubauten, Revolting Cocks, and many more!

Various packages available for pre-order include copies autographed by Al Jourgensen and the author, Aaron Tanner and a 7” of the studio version of "(Every Day Is) Halloween (Acoustic)” featuring Dave Navarro (Jane’s Addiction)!

LIMITED-RUN OF 2000
9" X 9" casebound, pages TBD
PUBLISHED: December 6, 2019
PRE-ORDER: September 18, 2019
ISBN: 978-0-578-56212-4

Includes 7 inch of "(Every Day Is) Halloween (Acoustic)” featuring Dave Navarro (Jane’s Addiction)

that's a "no" from me, dawg

^ otm

only $150

Al finally makes his peace with

....With Sympathy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU6-uMVECRE