I don't like musicals either, but I've always had this nagging
feeling that there's a whole world in there if I put the effort into
digging into it.
Kurt Weill's good, isn't he?
I figger we can't get a full understanding of the 20th cent. pop
thing without a good handle on the Weimar-euro-doom/Harlem-minstrel
axis (ie musicals). In the years B.E.(lvis), the country blues that
rockists like to write about was only a small piece of the pop pie.
Brit music hall, too. Totally clueless there. How many bop
standards are based on "I Got Rhythm"?
So, what should we be lookin fer? Anyone?
― misterhungry, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link
― Dom Passantino, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link
I don't know musicals very well, but every time I do sit down and
watch one (without prejudice) I'm constantly impressed by the fact
that the stories tend to be better (deeper and more cynical) than
your average Holywood movie. And the music tends to have good tunes
and more interesting bridges and fillers than your average pop album.
Like all good Englishmen I grew up dispising Andrew Lloyd Weber, but
every time I watch one I get won over : South American political
drama, biblical revisionism, punk-T.S.Eliot ... then there's the
monster that's "Les Miserables" (I saw the original RSC production
with my parents when I was a child, and then I took my girlfriend to
see it, pretty much unchanged, a couple of years ago.) Poverty,
revolutionary rhetoric, grave-robbing, prostitution, moral torment, a
debate about whether criminality is caused by poverty, a debate as to
whether "bad" characters can ever reform. "Les Mis" has a lot more
interesting drama than anything out of Holywood and in music, the
only comparisons that can be made is with good hip-hop.
The older stuff too ... "Guys and Dolls" has great music and Runyon
characters. "Fiddler on the Roof" is an amazing chronicle of Russian
jewish life, anti-semitism and the struggle to preserve an
independent culture. "Porgy and Bess" and "My Fair Lady" gave us
great jazz standards. (And Pygmalian is a work of genius, which MFL
pretty much fails to screw up) "Showboat" ...
In fact ... now I'm on a roll, it's actually the height of ignorant
rockism to think that musicals are less great or profound than the
rock / pop genres which seem to have displaced them since the 60s.
― phil, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link
― dleone, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link
Mary Poppins??????? Chitty Chityy Bang Bang (sort of Mary Poppins
meets Benny Hill), West Side Story is a great film (the opening
sequence is cklassic!) CABARET with Liza Minelli and Joey Grey, do
animated disney's count?
THE SOUND OF MUSIC
THE ROCKY HORROR PICTURE SHOW?
Recently here in Holland we have a big revival of newly produced
musicals on stage, mostly american material but sometimes specially
written. I did get the chance to see one last month and it was AWFUL
what a piece of crap: totally outdated revue humour, stereotypical
bad acting and singing...it was like watching an evening of
commercial television but then sucked in your brain with no escape
but to close yiur ears and eyes and wait till the titanic has finally
― erik, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link
Extra points: it is a very short one!!!
― Sean, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link
I haven't seen the stage
version of "Hedwig and the Angry Inch", but the movie was DEEPLY
DISTURBING and far more rock than "Rocky Horror".
― Dan Perry, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link
― EdwardO, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link
― A Nairn, Monday, 1 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link
― Steve.n., Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty years ago) link
Why do musical always have a better counterpart in film versions?
While that's certainly true in some cases, I've always been partial to the original cast recording of Hair. The movie, however......if it's not Milos Foreman's worst film I don't know what is. All of the film's versions of the songs are inferior to the OCR and they even left off a couple of really great tunes.
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 22:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 22:50 (eighteen years ago) link
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 22:51 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 22:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 23:01 (eighteen years ago) link
I just saw All That Jazz, which was wonderful and has me thinking about how brilliant and odd Bob Fosse was. That has to be the most self-indulgent movie of all time. Hello, I'm a drug-addicted workaholic womanizing genius who is going to make a completel over-the-top self-indulgent musical about a drug-addicted workaholic womanizing genius who is clearly me and how it kills him early, and I'm going to do this a few years before I die.
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 23:31 (eighteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 1 June 2004 23:42 (eighteen years ago) link
― briania (briania), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 23:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 01:01 (eighteen years ago) link
that's a common argument, and it makes absolutely no sense. people don't often band together to save earth from an invading alien attack force, and people don't often narrate their own lives after they've died, and yet no one complains that the whole concept of films or novels is silly.
search, in addition to many of those already mentioned: "damn yankees." insightful, hilarious and often risque songwriting, and damn near every melody is catchy as hell. and the story is about selling one's soul for the sole purpose of beating the new york yankees, which people in the real world should be doing as often as possible.
destroy like bad milk: "rent."
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 04:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 04:51 (eighteen years ago) link
This is the film for which the director (Minnelli) resorted to telling a child actress (Margaret O'Brien) that her dog had been run over and killed, in order to get her to cry properly in the next scene to be shot.
― Queen Electric Butt Prober BZZT!! BZZZZZT!! (Queen Electric Butt Prober BZZ), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 05:05 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 05:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― Bimble (bimble), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 05:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 06:58 (eighteen years ago) link
I decided 2011's New Yrz Rez is to watch musicals. One a week is what I am thinking would be a reasonable amount.
― Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 23:40 (twelve years ago) link
I own/watch more musicals than any other film genre. (49 reasons my wife thinks I'm gay...) They're my go-to cinematic comfort food.
Knock yourself out!
― The animal magnetism of Tim Pawlenty (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 16:19 (twelve years ago) link
the sincerity of this scares me and threw me off what I thought It would be like.
― owenf, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 17:24 (twelve years ago) link