Faith No More: most underrated rock band of the 90s?

Agree with you on the U2-decline schadenfreude thing. Bunch of twats.

You sure about that? I think these guys would disagree:

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Also, their sound is quirky, but generally pretty accsessable ("Malpractice", "Cukkoo For Caca" etc. aside). They're not Mr. Bungle, who could certainly never make it huge.

"Epic," "Midlife Crisis" and "Book Of The Month" are faves of what he's done that I've heard. There's plenty I haven't.

"Falling To Pieces" is totally the dawn of Korn, ya know.

Korn weren't a copy of Faith No More, but it's hard to imagine Korn existing without their influence.

I actually like Faith No More, James is right that they didn't have one sound. Angel Dust is a good album!

OTFM, Anthony.

Plus they did some country.

but they DIDN'T alienate the market!!! when you turn on the mainstream alt-rock station and they're playing a song off Angel Dust or Real Thing or even the earlier incarnation with the other lead singer who did that song "We Care A Lot", dude, Jimbo, they were mainstream!!! Just because they ventured outside of one style and watered it down with bits of other styles, that does NOT make them innovative or even interesting!!! I'm glad you bought up Patton's back catalog, really, but what exactly is the argument here??!? They were a mainstream act with a few quirks (like that wacky Shania Twain who mixes country AND soft rock) who dabbled in a few styles. They got as much respect, radio airplay, and album sales as they deserved. And I don't want to hear another fucking word about it!!!

"Epic" was fucking weird for that era, and it became a huge phenomenon because of how absolutely different it was from everything else.

Or am I just out of my fucking mind?

Have you read the lyric sheet? Hmmm? Little kids could write better crap. And you make it seem as there were only two kids of 'metal' bands at the time. How about Suicidal Tendencies; they were metal/punk and then you have your Living Colour (and the Black Rock Coalition bands) and if you want to go way back, how about Run DMC and Aerosmith? A rap/metal song. Sound familiar? What about Grindcore or Death Metal? Metal didn't have it's sub-genres? My god, if you want to believe that Faith No Fucking More were innovative, fine. But I think that most of you are arguing for the sake of arguing. And that's just boring.

Hey James, go get yourself a Russian bride, or something. Release that tension, boy.

But, I distinctly remember watching Totally Pauly waiting for "Epic" to come on in between Janet Jackson, Kid N' Play, and Damn Yankees videos because it was a revolutionary kind of thing for my naive 15 year old ears and eyes. And I'm sure that was the case with countless other people too...including the guys who went on to form the nu-metal bands.

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and yes even the beloved In Living Color

"Homie don't play dat!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKP98hDBJ8w#t=56

this one sounds much less good to me

i really like it

Yep, that's definitely Faith No More. Harking back to The Real Thing in terms of arrangement.

Tracklist, BTW:

01. Sol Invictus
02. Superhero
03. Sunny Side Up
04. Separation Anxiety
05. Cone of Shame
06. Rise of the Fall
07. Black Friday
08. Motherfucker
09. Matador
10. From the Dead

the new album is A CRACKER

Guessing it'll leak pretty soon.

cool song. pointless to compare it to Album of the Year given so much time has lapsed, still i'm glad it doesn't seem like they picked up from where they left off.

the new album is A CRACKER

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Getting pretty incredible early reviews.

it's kind of amazing, if you had just played the first second of that new song to me, I would have known immediately that it was Faith No More. Something about that guitar tone...l

There's a great 3-minute song in "Superhero" but no reason for it to meander on for over 5.

no i love the outro

disappointing to see that Jim Martin's not back...

Never gonna happen.

interesting song. it sounds very nu-metal to me (except for the keys)... but then, I guess they'd sort of pioneered that sound.

what happened to Jim that it's never gonna happen?

He now lives in Castro Valley, California, with his wife, son, and daughter. He has gained fame in recent years for his non-musical endeavors in championship pumpkin growing.

There's a great 3-minute song in "Superhero" but no reason for it to meander on for over 5.

Yeah, seriously. I kept waiting for the cool suprise breakdown parts that FNM arrangements usually offer, but nope. Not bad, but doesn't justify the length and repetition. Might work better in context.

it's a really good album

i saw jim martin and mike patton share a stage... when patton was watching martin play with infectious grooves at orion (rip)

i was there B)

RIGHT NEXT TO ME

I dunno if pining for Jim is really the move anyway since, w/ King for a Day and Album of the Year their entire sound got streamlined, and sleeker and more eccentric and less "metal" and even less macho to some extent

They're probably the type of guys that would value growing as a band than pulling an INDIE CINDY and stopping by with more of the same shit; and thus would necessitate Hudson in the fold. Their setlists have been leaning towards KFaD stuff any way, and that album def "holds up" the best of their entire catalog, nearly 20 years later.

Basically, they moved on and so should you, imho

agree

Though it's true that it makes Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey historically inaccurate

It couldn't maintain its airtight consistency forever.

Jim shreds but Whiney basically otm..."it's over man, let him go"

Their setlists have been leaning towards KFaD stuff any way, and that album def "holds up" the best of their entire catalog, nearly 20 years later.

I like many prefer Angel Dust, but Martin had very little input into the creative direction of that album by all accounts.

wow i can't believe i just learned about this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d17UkOTIwyg

listened to their whole discog for a live review once, thought they were overrated if anything =\

you're wrong but it's ok

it always struck me that the production on their albums weren't as good or as appropriate as they could have been.

like it did them a disservice more often than not

the last time i saw fnm before the reunion they played brixton academy with sparks as support, and brought them back on to play this town... as the encore. they were better that night than they'd been since the angel dust tour.

whoahey! it's maura!

Blatant self-promo, etc, but my Faith No More feature is in the new issue of MOJO, the one with Fleetwood Mac on the cover (which is a great, great piece as well). Buy it, magazines smell nice.
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:D

does anyone understand the ire between patton and the chilis? from the mr. bungle set where they make the "hAPPY herroween" joke to neil hamburger opening for FNM and taking the piss out of RHCP - anyone get it?

guess he kicked them off a bill, but seems like patton took it pretty hard, including covering them in a mock fashion

As I understand it, Anthony Kiedis wasn't too thrilled when he saw the video to 'Epic' (he felt Patton was copping his look, moves and vocal style) and nor was he too thrilled about Mr Bungle putting out an album called California at the same time as Californication was out. Mr Bungle ended up getting kicked off a lot of festivals and subsequently found out that the reason why was Kiedis had threatened to pull RHCP from the line-ups if Mr Bungle played. Patton and co. were obviously furious, and I'm sure this is what actually led to the Halloween RHCP piss-take gig.

Story I heard was that Bungle came up with the name Californication, Keidis was told it by one of the band or something and nicked it for the Chilis album, so Bungle had to call theirs the much more boring California. Read that on the internet ages ago so may be misremembered/totally inaccurate.

Patton hates the Chillis because he has ears and a brain

I don't think I had any concept of this feud when it was first popping off. Didn't read those interviews in Kerrang or whatever. But this quote is great.

I'd really like to set all that straight. What he doesn't realize is that I am Anthony Kiedis, and I'm the raddest dude. Let me tell you, I'm in the greatest band, and it's so cool. But all these jerks, one of which is that Mike Patton asshole, all want to be me. So I'm gonna get him, and I'm gonna get him good. - Mike Patton 1990

I sure hope that Bungle didn't want to name California Californication, because Californication is one of the stupidest words I've ever heard.

Thanks for all the great info

The real early video of one of Faith No More's first performances of Epic (@4:15) is a lil Keidisy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxv1gzId2Fk

Also, I love Chuck, but I do always like when Patton does "Crab Song"

I love Chuck but I think p much all Patton's versions of Chuck songs beat the originals. Chuck was never really a singer, by his own admission.

Anne's Song is still probs my favourite FNM song though, and no one else should ever sing it.

Since we're posting videos, this is def my favorite FNM live clip. Love the post-reunion feel of a tight 4-piece with Patton kind of soloing like a jazz musician.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1x_4keMigs