Why is everyone not going totally bonkers about the junior boys?

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probably because it's not out yet dave.

like this is any kind of excuse... i know what you lot get up to with computers and stuff

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 14:52 (twenty years ago) link

OMG THE JUNIOR BOYS ARE SO FUCKING AWESOME!

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 15:04 (twenty years ago) link

Will that do?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 15:04 (twenty years ago) link

you mean like formenting hype before the actual release date, Dave? [polishes halo]

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 15:07 (twenty years ago) link

plus, after this weekend i'm not sure if i can listen to it anymore.

gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 15:10 (twenty years ago) link

fucking indie records.

gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 15:10 (twenty years ago) link

you mean like formenting hype before the actual release date, Dave? [polishes halo]

i prefer to think of it as enthusiasm, thinking other people here might have heard it and wanting to get to the bottom of why I like it so much. however, matos that is not to take issue with the obvious fact that you are indeed too good for this place

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 15:23 (twenty years ago) link

;)

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 15:24 (twenty years ago) link

why not jess, what happened this weekend? do you need to talk about it?

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 15:24 (twenty years ago) link

who said I was too good for this place? see my contributions to various Luomo, microhouse, and Basement Jaxx threads etc.

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 16:44 (twenty years ago) link

I like it, 'specially the Fennesz remix at the end there. Not convinced it's doing much that Luomo or MRI haven't already done of late, but I'll be checking 'em in future for certain. Also their label/PR guy that phoned up about it was one of the nicest cold callers I've ever had the pleasure of speaking to.

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 17:08 (twenty years ago) link

i really want to write about the JB's eventually in print just so 2-step actually gets mentioned.

i think the fennesz remix is pretty perfunctory, all in all. he's verging on self-parody a bit.

nick.K is a super nice guy, yes.

gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 17:10 (twenty years ago) link

I haven't even heard about this until now, oddly enough

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 17:11 (twenty years ago) link

matos: http://www.electrokin.com

gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 17:16 (twenty years ago) link

after spending the weekend i like the ep better than i like luomo's album - it just has a little more edge and mystery - it's lovely.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 17:22 (twenty years ago) link

haha is electrokin quoting from blogs?! that's what i wanna see in ads on billboards from now on -- instead of '**** - Spin' or whatever, see '**** - NYLPM'

geeta, Tuesday, 16 September 2003 18:06 (twenty years ago) link

I think some people are going bonkers about it: quietly, behind closed doors, or amongst themselves. It's a guilty pleasure, and most people who could write about it seem to be waiting for other press endorsement before they'll do something on a pair of unknowns (Jbeez and KIN). That seems to be how it's working.

nick.K (nick.K), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 00:19 (twenty years ago) link

you heard the man, matos.

gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 00:22 (twenty years ago) link

It actually took a long time to grow on me - for a long time I heard too much Coloma in it, but now I don't see much relation at all. It opened up when I listened long enough and, crucially, loud enough. The Fennesz is lovely, very Fennesz; I think it works in context as a kind of reprise. I wouldn't want to listen to an entire record (or even a side) like that. "Last Exit" is by far the strongest track, just for the way it keeps building, clenching, and then easing off again. If I have a complaint it's that it all blurs together; I'd like to hear more distinct ideas (and assume they'll come with the next record). But "Last Exit" alone is enough, just those two (three?) big arcs of sound. Totally indulgent and totally unabashed. I love it.

philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 00:32 (twenty years ago) link

look, i don't want it to seem like i was damning with faint praise above. the junior boys are amazing. the best group around at the moment, for my money. "birthday" or "last exit" will almost certainly be in my top 10 this year. (it will be a hard choice.) they totally erase the "dancefloor soul"/"bedroom introspection"/"glittering abstraction" non-divide like it weren't nothing but a thing. they're everything i love most about music, in fact (luscious textures, mopey singing, stuttering beats), minus rapping. THE JUNIOR BOYS ARE FUCKING GREAT, GIVE ELECTROKIN ALL YR MONEY.

gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 05:38 (twenty years ago) link

because birthday has been hanging around for TWO YEARS now, perhaps?

(actually possibly longer, i heard it two years ago but maybe it's even older than that.)

toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 06:15 (twenty years ago) link

I hyped this stuff up last year - but please Dave continue to hype up the proper release so everyone buys it!

I hope "More Than Real" and "High Come Down" end up getting a release at some stage as well - Nick...?

(ps. Nick I sent an e-mail to you a while ago with some media info and I just got it bounced back after two months, assume it's my fault not yours. anyway i'll send it again w/ some modifications asap)

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 07:22 (twenty years ago) link

havent heard it but eshun's 'slyly generic name' thing is spot on!

Chip Morningstar (bob), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 07:48 (twenty years ago) link

i hope

Chip Morningstar (bob), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 07:50 (twenty years ago) link

Hell yeah! 'More than Real' opens the album, and 'High Come Down' has it's own EP with remixes. But alot of this depends on the success/reception of the first EP. Again, like Luomo it's not as accessible as people expect it to be, it doesn't immediately grab everyone when they first hear it, working it's way in after a couple of days (after the deadline in many cases... )

nick.K (nick.K), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 08:12 (twenty years ago) link

I'm glad those two tracks are getting another look in - I think they balance out the more reflective tone of "Birthday" and "More Than Real" with an elements of danger/sex/physicality. A good balancing act between song and groove (especially as that balance kind of gets lost slightly on the really groove-based tracks like "I'm So Into You" which are very Horsepower Productions - mind you good Horsepower Productions).

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 08:44 (twenty years ago) link

yeah i got a copy of some stuff last year but didn't really see much point talking about it coz NO ONE knew who they were at all, as opposed to not very many people knowing who they are now - the fennesz mix really drove itself into my head this weekend. in some senses it really reminds me of isolee in that there's a lovely feeling of dissonance and lack, brought to your attention all the more by the occasional surges of sound. if i had to say anything it's that, not unlike plastikman and villalobos' recent stuff, there's a kind of ache and sense of unease to it. anyway, might be my current mood, but i could listen to whole albums worth of music like that, end to end, for days right now

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 09:34 (twenty years ago) link

is it just me or do some of the JBs mp3s floating around in Soulseek suddenly go mute after a minute or so?

manuel (manuel), Thursday, 18 September 2003 07:34 (twenty years ago) link

"last exit" makes me cry, very nice

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 18 September 2003 07:43 (twenty years ago) link

Flicking through the images for Last Exit has a similar effect for me.



Http://www.electrokin.com/images/krunched/motorwaymedium.jpg

nick.K (nick.K), Thursday, 18 September 2003 11:48 (twenty years ago) link


Http://www.electrokin.com/images/krunched/head0001.jpg

nick.K (nick.K), Thursday, 18 September 2003 11:53 (twenty years ago) link


Http://www.electrokin.com/images/krunched/lights565.jpg

nick.K (nick.K), Thursday, 18 September 2003 11:55 (twenty years ago) link

Nick I'm sorry yr email about them has been languishing in the FT 'must reply to' pile for ages now. It's my loss judging by this thread :(

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 18 September 2003 11:56 (twenty years ago) link

When is this released in the UK?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 18 September 2003 11:58 (twenty years ago) link

Well, you can all have your own copy of Birthday in a few days, it's on the next Jockey Slut Cover CD. (matt chk yr email)

nick.K (nick.K), Thursday, 18 September 2003 12:25 (twenty years ago) link


Http://www.electrokin.com/images/krunched/skydark.jpg

nick.K (nick.K), Friday, 19 September 2003 12:26 (twenty years ago) link

A thrill to read the first print review, it ends with the line -And the newsgroups shall buzz. I'm excited cause it mentions the net, which is where the JBeez are from, but it still seems strange to read about them off-the-screen. And btw, there's been a v.positive response from France...

nick.K (nick.K), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 17:53 (twenty years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Just recieved first vinyl and it's just gone on sale on-line, you can order from Boomkat. It'll be in the post first thing, but you'll have to wait till the 20th before it hits the shops.

nick.K (nick.K), Saturday, 11 October 2003 08:53 (twenty years ago) link

Just recieved the Junior Boys - Birthday / Last Exit EP in the post this morning. First time I heard it I wasn't quite sure, then it all fell into place. It certainly lives up to the write up on Boomkat -
Cementing this diversity with another spot-on bit of selection, the EP ends with an intricate, painfully structured remix from Fennesz - building the track up from a mess of frozen beats and vocals into a re-configured wall of warm guitars and effervescent distant vocals that conjure up the thought of the Cocteau Twins produced by Kevin Shields at his peak. Really, quite an unbelievable record - something really special is happening here. Unmissable.

kattie, Tuesday, 14 October 2003 08:17 (twenty years ago) link

teriffic - not keen on the fennesz mix myself but the origional of Last Exit is one of the tracks of the year for sure.

jed (jed_e_3), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 09:32 (twenty years ago) link

That's a very good question "Why is everyone not going totally bonkers about the junior boys?" I can't think of a band more NOW. I still don't know who this Fennesz guy is?

kattie, Tuesday, 14 October 2003 14:57 (twenty years ago) link

the thread question is kinda daft - i feel like its only directed towards the blogoshphere and other music writers - they were surely the only people to get promo copies early enough to actually hear the records at the time the question was posted and as far as i can tell they WERE all actaually going nuts about the junior boys.

jed (jed_e_3), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 15:42 (twenty years ago) link

Promos went out to all the UK press in mid/late august for all the magazines: freelancers, reviews editors and editors. If it's not something they already know about or from an acknowledged PR company it often doesn't even get listened to - it's understandable, there's alot of music out there.

nick.K (nick.K), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 19:31 (twenty years ago) link

seriously, they just get better by the day.

gabbo giftington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 20:28 (twenty years ago) link

This is great. Crap, I need slsk.

adaml (adaml), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 20:32 (twenty years ago) link

3rd best band today after Nasty and Roll Deep! :-)

Keith McD (Keith McD), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 01:03 (twenty years ago) link

i heard some of this on mary anne hobbs! need i say more!

prima fassy (bob), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 08:57 (twenty years ago) link

Can't complain because I never sent her a copy, but did you hear what she said after she'd played it, about me being in league with the devil! Very strange

nick.K (nick.K), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 09:13 (twenty years ago) link

What???

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 10:00 (twenty years ago) link

Yup..... FACT! One hour fourty minutes into the Breezeblock 30th Sept 2004.
[track fades]'that's the Junior Boys coming out on KIN which is run by a guy called nick who is obviously in league with the devil!?!?!'

nick.K (nick.K), Wednesday, 15 October 2003 10:09 (twenty years ago) link

i think they're a band, tho, where i'll probably listen to anything they do as long as they keep making records. like the sea & cake, you know. even if it's mediocre, it's a sound that i find very appealing.

jaymc, Sunday, 21 September 2014 04:45 (nine years ago) link

i find it hard to defend certain musical artists who have my aesthetic number, so to speak. i will genuinely stump for last exit and so this is goodbye, tho.

jaymc, Sunday, 21 September 2014 04:46 (nine years ago) link

For me the 3 most frustrating albums from the 00s onwards are:

yeah yeah yeahs - its blitz
The rapture - house of jealous lovers
Junior Boys - last exit

I love most of the compositions in those records but hate the way they are mixed. I'm not a producer so I don't know how to describe it properly but it sounds too high on the treble for a dance album. It sounds spike-y, it kind of aches my ears and it frustrates me because with a different, better production I'm sure they'd be amazing

Moka, Sunday, 21 September 2014 07:58 (nine years ago) link

this could be to do with what's known in the industry as "dynamic range compression", or DRC for short. basically they "compress" the dynamic range, and this basically compresses the sound. it's a real "hot topic" among music buffs, and could change the way we listen to music for years to come

cool music buff (missingNO), Sunday, 21 September 2014 11:33 (nine years ago) link

three years pass...

It's amazing how well Last Exit holds up 14 (!) years later.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 23:22 (six years ago) link

four years pass...

New one is gorgeous. I'm in love with side 2, in particular. AOTY material for me

Paul Ponzi, Sunday, 23 October 2022 00:07 (one year ago) link

Really lovely stuff yeah. Their most ambient release by a wide margin but that seems like a very logical space for them to explore. Not sure where it’ll end up in my estimations, but then I only fully fell in love with the last two albums this year, so.

Tim F, Thursday, 27 October 2022 21:35 (one year ago) link

I think this is easily their best album to date.

boxedjoy, Friday, 28 October 2022 07:13 (one year ago) link

Tough to beat Last Exit but this one may be a contender, for sure

Also disappointed that this thread title remains sadly apt. Where is everyone?

Paul Ponzi, Friday, 28 October 2022 10:46 (one year ago) link

wow this is sublime

ufo, Friday, 28 October 2022 11:24 (one year ago) link

This is absolutely gorgeous. My favourite since So This Is Goodbye. Exactly the kind of album I needed today.

kitchen person, Friday, 28 October 2022 14:31 (one year ago) link

this might be my favourite thing they've ever done

ufo, Saturday, 29 October 2022 14:15 (one year ago) link

Same, I think.

Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 29 October 2022 15:51 (one year ago) link

certified slapper. both perfect for the current Michael mann moment and also its own irreducible thing

Vapor waif (uptown churl), Saturday, 29 October 2022 16:53 (one year ago) link

can't wait to listen to this.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 29 October 2022 17:03 (one year ago) link

This is gorgeous. The last track is the standout at the moment. Sounds like We Are King. Junior Boys do quiet storm.

Shard-borne Beatles with their drowsy hums (Chinaski), Saturday, 29 October 2022 17:19 (one year ago) link

yeah, I'd put this on in the car and three tracks in I'm not sure the car is the right place for it on a sunny beautiful fall day. think I'm going to go switch to earphones and go for a walk with it.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 29 October 2022 17:22 (one year ago) link

All about side 2 for me. "Dum Audio" through title track just perfection.

Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 29 October 2022 18:03 (one year ago) link

ok, better on headphones. I get what they're after but it's really not what I want right now. immediately put on the Cut Copy album from 2020 when this was over.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 29 October 2022 18:04 (one year ago) link

Freeze Melt is so underrated, imo. I just got shipping notice from Rough Trade so my Junior Boys listening session will still be a few days from now.

brotherlovesdub, Saturday, 29 October 2022 18:41 (one year ago) link

amazing how totally immersed i am in this on first listen. beautiful sound sculpture, walking home on a foggy night at like 3 am when your senses are kind of brushing the world around you into blurs of paint and you're sort of not even able to put the words in your head into sequence, they're just fragments, loops of anxiety that as soon as you're aware of them they've already faded, blurred over themselves, incidentally this walk is longer than you remembered as time has been stretched at the quantum level and every block seems to be a repeat of the previous and it's like you're stuck in the liminal space between club and home forever

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Saturday, 29 October 2022 18:44 (one year ago) link

Beautifully put. This feels like an album whose rep will grow with time, one of those rare releases that will endure after the novelty of "cult band releases new album" wears off, but I've been very wrong about such things before

Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 29 October 2022 20:38 (one year ago) link

this shit is indistinguishable from the “lo-fi beats to study to” playlist my kid falls asleep up every night

na (NA), Saturday, 29 October 2022 23:46 (one year ago) link

asleep to

it’s not bad but I’m not sure what elevates it above that kind of intentional audio wallpaper

na (NA), Saturday, 29 October 2022 23:53 (one year ago) link

ha ha you guys

my kid’s lo-fi beats podcast was queued up on spotify and started playing after the first junior boys song. that is what I’ve been listening to. and i thought i was being so acerbic up there but I’m just an idiot lol

i apologize

na (NA), Saturday, 29 October 2022 23:56 (one year ago) link

hahaha

maf you one two (maffew12), Sunday, 30 October 2022 00:27 (one year ago) link

This made for some weird Friday morning commute music and I look forward to playing it next time I can't sleep.

Just because I don't see her name on this thread and in case anyone needs to hear it, Junior Boys' own Jeremy Greenspan has worked on all 3 of Jessy Lanza's albums and they are beautiful. In googling his involvement just now (writing/producing/mixing) I found that they broke up after the second album and "established a new working relationship" for the third. Oddly the back cover of that one says "by Jessy Lanza and Jeremy Greenspan".

maf you one two (maffew12), Sunday, 30 October 2022 00:42 (one year ago) link

let's have an embed. the single's video is the Toronto subway in 1986. a beaut. now i'm proper sleepy gnite

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aic8dgxZls

maf you one two (maffew12), Sunday, 30 October 2022 01:33 (one year ago) link

whatever happened to Johnny dark anyway? That Stereo Image or whatever album sucked. Miss his fucked up El-b by way of timberland beatz

lets hear some blues on those synths (brimstead), Sunday, 30 October 2022 02:10 (one year ago) link

Lmao NA

frogbs, Sunday, 30 October 2022 02:22 (one year ago) link

my favorite Junior Boys bit is the ending of "FM" where the drums get stripped away and it's just this little synth/vocal thing. so I'm really liking this so far

frogbs, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 01:49 (one year ago) link

digging the new one a lot. i've been going back through the catalog and "begone dull care" feels slept on to me.

speaking of endings, I never appreciated how glorious the last 2 minutes of "Like a Child" were.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 01:57 (one year ago) link

before we’ve completely moved past it:

lol NA

mh, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 02:01 (one year ago) link

this is kinda like if Air really leaned into their Kraftwerk influences. or something. man that bit midway through the title track hits so hard given how quiet everything is. really nice and yeah it might be their best album but it feels weird to say that since it almost feels like this is a JB side project (but like, in a Dukes of Stratosfear type way)

frogbs, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 02:18 (one year ago) link

digging the new one a lot. i've been going back through the catalog and "begone dull care" feels slept on to me.

― Western® with Bacon Flavor

Yeah, I went back to this one last week and enjoyed it a lot. It's not in the same league as the first two which are basically perfect, but it's a beautiful album.

kitchen person, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 03:01 (one year ago) link

Begone Dull Care is the least-good album and is still great. What a band.

Tim F, Wednesday, 2 November 2022 04:42 (one year ago) link

i listened to begone dull care on repeat during a particularly vulnerable month of life so every song on on it is like a great cosmic unfolding to me

the least good junior boys album is so this is goodbye, controversial but true

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 3 November 2022 21:17 (one year ago) link

I have a friend who played the title track repeatedly in the car in 2006, to my dismay.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 November 2022 21:26 (one year ago) link

i'm aware this is kinda kneejerk but tbh this is beautifully produced and all, impressive synth work, but i just. cannot. get past the thin, reedy singing. nails on chalkboard for me. also kinda self serious. jessy lanza has a similar sound but is fun. not for me but i get the appeal.

ꙮ (map), Thursday, 3 November 2022 21:32 (one year ago) link

similar sound partially due to Jeremy Greenspan being co-producer!

mh, Thursday, 3 November 2022 22:32 (one year ago) link

the least good junior boys album is so this is goodbye, controversial but true

― flamenco drop (BradNelson)

Woah, that's my favourite. The Equalizer, First Time and especially FM are some of their most beautiful melodies. It's the album that made me fall for them after struggling with Last Exit.

Big Black Coat is their only album that doesn't feel essential. Apart from the title track, the second half is kind of bland. Songs like Baby Don't Hurt Me and Love Is A Fire sound weirdly unfinished.

kitchen person, Friday, 4 November 2022 01:07 (one year ago) link

IMO, It's All True = Last Exit > So This Is Goodbye > Waiting Game (though too early to tell) = Big Black Coat > Begone Dull Care

Tim F, Friday, 4 November 2022 01:38 (one year ago) link

After listening to this a few dozen times I'm pretty sure it's my personal favorite in the catalog (even if it's not "the best").

It really does work best as a focused listen with no distractions or other stimulation (although something to fuck with your perception before hand doesn't hurt!). Extremely meditative, ruminative and calming.

I think it was Matt DC who once said something around the time of So This is Goodbye that always stuck with me. Paraphrasing here but it was about how you could follow each element as an ever-modulating thread and how no single note was the same. This has that on a whole new level with the 'peripheral', barely perceptible sounds your ears have to "reach" for. The result for me is after so many listens I still find myself able to hone in something I feel like I've never noticed before on every song. Spellbinding stuff!

anza808, Saturday, 12 November 2022 23:45 (one year ago) link

Great post. I'm impatiently awaiting delivery of the LP release, which has predictably been pushed back a few weeks I guess. Saying I love this one as much as Last Exit feels like a kind of blasphemy, and I'm not ready to go there quite yet, but it's definitely close.

Paul Ponzi, Sunday, 13 November 2022 01:23 (one year ago) link

Just took a cold, cloudy morning walk with this, very nice.

I'll pick it up on CD if I see it. An imperfect vinyl pressing of such a quiet record would be annoying.

maf you one two (maffew12), Sunday, 13 November 2022 14:21 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

listening to Last Exit for the first time in like a decade, god damn this sounds like it was made TODAY

frogbs, Wednesday, 8 March 2023 03:14 (one year ago) link

absolutely

hootenanny-soundtracking clusterfucks about milking cows (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 8 March 2023 04:09 (one year ago) link


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