Grateful Dead live, Dick's Picks etc - S&D

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I've been piling through a lot of my Dead live Cds/box sets over the last couple of weeks, but I still feel like I'm only scratching the surface. I've got several thoughts about it, but for the moment I'll just say:
1) I've not heard a version of 'Dark Star' that isn't awesome.
2) The quality of the version of a song bears no relation to how good the jamming is going to be after it (i.e. ignore the ropey vocals, there's some good stuff coming along in a minute).
3) Brent Mydland. Oh dear.
4) Donna Godchaux. Oh dear, oh dear.
5) They were something fucking special around 68-71. I feel like trying to pick up every single thing that's been released from this period.

James Ball (James Ball), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 16:14 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Julio, from the other GD threads you say you really like 'Live Dead'. From that era I'd definitely recommend Dick's Picks 4 (recorded at the Fillmore East in Feb 1970) and Two From The Vaults (from 1968).

James Ball (James Ball), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 16:23 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

search: the dead from 1973-74. totally at the top of their game during this period.

chaki (chaki), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 17:20 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Reckoning -- The traditional "Live" album for LP release. Quiet, crisp performances. No flubs, all first rate versions, and a pleasure to listen to throughout. 9.6

Dick's Picks #4 -- Fillmore East, February 13-14, 1970 -- Better than Live Dead, but do have a chance of finding it? 9.4

Nightfall of Diamonds -- Winterland, 10/10/89 -- Great sound; a bit noodley in places, but right nice. 8.6

Dick's Picks #8 -- Harpur College, 5/02/70 -- Three-Quarters of this is impeccable; good form, nice song selection - one disc acoustic, one disc electric, and one disc rave-ups (i don't much care for their R&B covers like "Dancing in the Streets" and "It's A Man's Man's Man's World"). 8.5

Ladies & Gentleman... The Grateful Dead -- Filmore East, April 1971 -- A good listen, but it delves a bit too much into the Helter Skelter for strict listening. Works better as background -- but is noteworthy for the block of Pigpen's blues numbers. 7.8

christoff (christoff), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 17:46 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Harpur College

my alma mater! (aka "the liberal arts college of SUNY Binghamton")

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 18:04 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I've heard a good bit of Dead over the years, and own a fair amount of albums. I second Dick's Pick's Four... the best album I've heard from them. Live/Dead is of course essential, and I think Europe '72 is as well. It was the first Dead record I bought. It's from a bunch of shows from their Europe '72 tour which is among their very best tours (many would say there best. It's there last tour with Pigpen and their first with Keith). It contains little jamming (disk two has some) and was mainly released because the songs on there had yet to be put to vinyl. It was also a bit touched up in the studio, I believe. I know they recently released another cd from that tour, as well as an expanded Europe '72, though I don't think I've heard either, I believe they're quite good as well.

One From the Vault is strong, too. It's from '75, and was from one of two shows celebrating the release of Blues for Allah. It contains every song from that album (in a better version)--including the title track which is, unfortunately, a total dud, IMO (though I'm hardly alone). The Dead didn't tour in '75 or '76, but this is a strong performance though not essential.

I agree on 68-71 being strong. But so is the Europe '72 tour - 74.Dick's Pick's 12 features the quite famous "Mind Left Body" jam as well as the glorious return of "China Cat Sunflower" to their catalogue.

Pretty much all of '77 is great. 5-8-77 Cornell is their most frequently bootlegged show, and thus essential, though not their best performance. It shouldn't be hard to find. '78 is good too, and then they hit a lull.

I believe it's '83 that I've heard good things about, but I've never taken the time to investigate. '78 was the last time they released a studio album until '87, so I kind of avoid it. In '87 bounced back from a heroin-induced coma, and the band was strong again so I'd seek out some stuff from this era too.

Hope this helped a little. I also have to highly recommend the Jerry Garcia Band (which is mostly just a cover band) release Don't Let Go from '75 with Keith on acoustic piano. It's a very tight, mellow session. With only one guitar in there, you can really hear how good of a guitarist Jerry was when he was on.

Aaron M., Tuesday, 1 July 2003 18:45 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The other thing about '77 is that it's when they became really, really funky. That's why it's so popular. And as usual, when they were on--which was often that year--they were really on. Many would say it's their best year, and I agree it's definitely one of them.

Aaron M., Tuesday, 1 July 2003 18:48 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

''Julio, from the other GD threads you say you really like 'Live Dead'. From that era I'd definitely recommend Dick's Picks 4 (recorded at the Fillmore East in Feb 1970) and Two From The Vaults (from 1968).''

will do

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 18:52 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

apologies for the faulty spacing there...

Aaron M., Tuesday, 1 July 2003 19:09 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Dick's Picks #4 -- Fillmore East, February 13-14, 1970 -- Better than Live Dead, but do have a chance of finding it?

You can still get any of the Dick's Picks from the Dead's own site ( DP4 is $21 plus postage.

James Ball (James Ball), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 15:13 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

No shit? I've been looking for a "gift" copy for years -- Thanks, JB.

christoff (christoff), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 17:16 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The new Dick's Picks 39 is a six-disc set of two 1977 shows.

Sam J. (samjeff), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 17:45 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Whoops, that's 29.

Sam J. (samjeff), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 17:46 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The thing with a lot of live Dead stuff is that even the better gigs have a lot of average stuff on them, but they're worth hearing for the moments where the inspiration hits and they really take off.

So I don't know why they don't release more albums that take stuff from a variety of performances (and eras), cherry-picking the really juicy tracks. 'The Phil Zone' is a good example of this - it's got a great range of stuff, even some not-bad performances from the late 80s. And it's got an absolutely monster version of 'Hard to Handle', which not only rocks like a bastard, it's from an audience tape so you can hear everybody going mental as they crank it up.

(I also wish you could hear more audience on a lot of the Dick's Picks. They capture the music well, but not always the whole occasion. OK, I know they're mostly taken from the mixing desk so maybe that's not possible.)

Aaron or chaki - could you recommend any good Dick's Picks from 73-4 or 77?

James Ball (James Ball), Friday, 4 July 2003 15:39 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I've been meaning to contribute to this thread, but I wanted to wait for a free moment to audition a bunch of my stuff again. One good thing this thread has done is get me to finally listen to the package of Dick's Picks I got a couple months ago but hadn't listened to yet (well, I threw them when I got them but wasn't able to listen as closely as I'd like): 22 and 26. So far, 26 sounds great! A bunch of rare live Aoxomoxoa songs!!

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 4 July 2003 15:56 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

#4 and #8 are my favorites (though i kinda stopped paying attention after 16 or so - not for lack of interest but lack of cash)

search GRAYFOLDED - Oswald's "plundering" of over 100 versions of Dark Star from 69-95. Essential drone

Anthem of the Sun and Live/Dead are pretty much perfect legit albums btw

roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 5 July 2003 06:05 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I was thinking of getting 26, Mr D. The track listing looks very promising, but I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts.

And I've just looked at the tracks for 22, that also looks tempting. I listened to Two From The Vaults over the weekend, from the same year (and with a similar set). There's something about the sound of the band/Garcia's guitar from that time (68/69). I can only describe it as having a lot more bite.

Completely agree with you roger about Live/Dead - that's the benchmark for me, both the version of Dark Star and the album as a whole.

I was surprised the first time I heard Grayfolded how 'ordinary' a lot of it sounded i.e. not ordinary as such but just like a great extended version of Dark Star, the first CD at least. The vocal 'swooshes' and 'folds' sound good though.

James Ball (James Ball), Monday, 7 July 2003 13:54 (fifteen years ago) Permalink


James Ball (James Ball), Thursday, 10 July 2003 19:43 (fifteen years ago) Permalink


James Ball (James Ball), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 11:51 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

ten months pass...
Revive, please.

Just listening to vol 12's lovely version of China Cat Sunflower, as mentioned above by Aaron M.

Any new opinions?

frankE (frankE), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 13:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I really like #16. I feel like the only Dead I ever buy is stuff from 68-70. I just saw #4 at a store and it looks great, after reading this I've decided I need it. Hundred Year Hall is a great set and I enjoy a lot more than the Europe 72 album, which I think sounds kind of neutered. There is a lot of inspired jamming and an absolutely beautiful Pigpen vocal on "Two Souls in Communion." I haven't listened to it in years, though, since my copy was stolen. I have a hard time buying Grateful Dead discs sometimes, although I have no problem listening to them.

Sean Witzman (trip maker), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 13:56 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Closing of Winterland looks promising.

christoff (christoff), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 15:25 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
the dvd? it's fucking awesome! Possibly my favorite music DVD ever!

i'm too tired to elaborate, but if you consider that Neil Young has Candian citizenship, and if you exclude the American contingent of Fleetwood Mac at their absolute peak, The Dead are the greatest American rock and roll band of all time.

Trux and the Drive By Truckers are tied for me personally, but we're looking through history's lens here, people. The Dead. the fucking DEAD!!!!

roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 24 July 2004 06:16 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I spent last weekend listening to Ladies and Gentlemen... the Grateful Dead, that 4cd set that Arista put out a couple years back. Fucking PRIME '71 era shit. Absolutely G=god-like. Rog, you gotta get that one if ya don't have it...

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Saturday, 24 July 2004 06:23 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Also, I really want to see this..

I do have to admit, I didn't get that excited about Closing of Winterland though. THen again, I watched it at like 3 in the morning a couple months ago when I was pretty wiped out. I'll give it another go.

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Saturday, 24 July 2004 06:28 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I'm a ridiculous Godchaux apologist, FWIW.

haven't tracked down that Arista set - 71, eh? I'm more a 72-77 kinda guy, but will check it out - thanks!

roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 24 July 2004 06:35 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Wow, a 72-77 guy! I'm impressed. I'm still trying to get with the Godchaux era. I think it will come to me in due time. Do you have that One From the Vault? That one's pretty good, as I recall.

Yeah, the Ladies and Gentlemen thing is '71 but it's pretty song-oriented. Sort of midway between the psychedelic blow-outs and the Europe '72 stuff. It's a nice, pleasant listen. GREAT version of "Bird Song".

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Saturday, 24 July 2004 06:42 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

im a 73 guy and yah the new dvd is great!!

Sir Chaki McBeer III (chaki), Sunday, 25 July 2004 06:23 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

ok, fuck it, Chaki I trust you.. I will watch it again!! It just kind of seemed goofy to me. With the whole dude riding in on a joint at the beginning of the concert. Like, you almost want to shake Bill Graham and the Dead and say, "the 60's are OVER!! Didn't you guys watch 'gimme shelter'??" Plus, the Godchaux. And "Fire on the Mountain" goes on entirely too long. I LOVE LOVE LOVE the Dead, don't get me wrong, but that 'FOTM' just goes on too long, sorry. But I will check it out again, as I said...

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Sunday, 25 July 2004 07:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Hmm.. I just started watching it again, midway through the set. You know what? This version of "Friend of the Devil" is really kind of beautiful! Even Donna is kind of endearing right here! Mea culpa.

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Sunday, 25 July 2004 07:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"Even Donna" - wtf?

Donna was probably just as proficient a musician as Phil Lesh (making her twice as proficient as Bob Weir) and an all around great, great vocalist. Her live performances were hit and miss due to lack of proper monitor support, everyone knows that.

She never gets a fair shake. It's not like she was Linda McCartney fer chrissakes.

The Godchauxes broght so much life (not to mention a a very vital jazz-informed musical eloquence) to The Dead. I love Pigpen and Mydland as much as the nxt guy, but the 70s are where it's AT because of Keith and Donna!

roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 25 July 2004 17:54 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

two months pass...
Disk one of Vol. 23 rules. I have to admit, though, that the "China Cat Sunflower" / "I Know You Rider" medley gets sooo tiresome after listening to Dick's Picks.

Rocking the Rhein is good stuff as well.

frankE (frankE), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 18:48 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

the "Dark Star" on Rockin' the Rhein is eyeball-melting

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 18:54 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I bought Dick's Picks 22 on a fleeting whim a few days ago.
I'm a little regretful of it now.
Feb '68 show at a Lake Tahoe bowling alley. Vocals are rarely audible (which I guess isn't always a bad thing, har har).
Now I'm wanting Rockin the Rhein.
I think I need a break from the Dead.

Sean Witzman (trip maker), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 19:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I just listened to Reckoning this past Friday night. Always a treat to pull that one out.

Roy Williams Highlight (diamond), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 19:27 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

'Two From the Vault' is's mastered or mixed really well for headphones. And at the end of 'Morning Dew' the house pulls the electricity from them, great moment.

57 7th (calstars), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:26 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"It's when you see/hear them live that it all makes sense."

Au contraire. Au contraire.

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 21:42 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"The Dead are the greatest American rock and roll band of all time."

i take umbrage with this comment.
and so would CCR.

me rawk.
you snow.

eedd, Wednesday, 29 September 2004 23:18 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Regarding my last post, in case it's not clear, I mean to say that they SUCK LIVE. I don't get it.

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 23:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Blues for Allah is the best thing they ever did, according to me

Help/Slip/Frank rules

Jackson, Wednesday, 29 September 2004 23:22 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Donna's "soulful" scream at the end of "Scarlet Begonias" on Dick's Picks 7 is the most out-of-key singing I've heard on an officially released record.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 30 September 2004 03:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

apparently there's a letter to the editor in the new Arthur from me regarding The Dead, but i haven't seen it. i can't get it here

roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 30 September 2004 04:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
HELP - I'm visiting a well-stocked Deadhead (over 300 shows) who has kindly offered to let me borrow whatever I want from his stash - any suggestions as to what I shld look out for - keep in mind that I generally prefer Dead Stuff w/ LOTS of guitar solos, the freakier the better, and am less concerned abt 'songs' per se

Thank You

Uncle John, Saturday, 27 November 2004 21:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
I just got this Jerry Garcia Band 3-CD Kean College set from 1980 that Rhino put out last fall. S'good! I'm just a dabbler in the Dead, but this is close to perfect -- nice sparse 4-piece, warmly recorded, the grooves don't overwhelm the songs and vice-versa -- I mean, the grooves are songlike, and the songs are groovelike. And maybe because he doesn't have to work to make himself heard, Jerry's playing is even more loose and gentle than usual. The solos are like barstool conversations. I think I'm going to be listening to this a lot.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 9 January 2005 08:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

yah that shit kicks ass

chaki in charge (chaki), Sunday, 9 January 2005 09:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

two months pass...
May check out that Jerry band thing. Has anyone heard the No. 29 6CD thing from '77? Curious about that as well.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 31 March 2005 18:07 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

One more chance at an answer re No. 29. I orderd the Jerry Band thing yesterday.

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 1 April 2005 14:01 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Not Dick's Picks, but...

Does this new version sound better:
Europe '72 Remastered with bonus tracks?

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Friday, 1 April 2005 15:17 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Mark, I haven't heard 29, but I've heard that show and it is extremely good, particularly if you like the 77-78 style. You really can't go wrong with any show from 5/77 if you like that stuff (I think that period is a little over-rated, but its good). I think the Dick's Picks from Englishtown, NJ in 9/77 (I think it's like no. 21 or something) is a better show, though, so if you want a 77 show, go with that. The 77 NYE show is also shit-hot. (I think that's in the teens somewhere).

And LS, Europe 72 sounds better (though the original still sounds fine to me) and the bonus tracks are worth it.

Scott CE (Scott CE), Friday, 1 April 2005 17:02 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Thanks. I had heard Phils bass was too high in the mix or something on the reissue.

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Friday, 1 April 2005 17:08 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i do want to read that new book about the post-Jerry years that just came out, should have some juicy stuff in it.
The Rolling Stone mention, not really a review, that I saw (may have been more coverage later) cited the shocking tale of how Lesh and Weir cruelly went Furthur, leaving the other Dead behind. I had previewed a Furthur show in Columbus OH, did a little background, seemed like just another GD sidetrip, like all of 'em have done at one time or another. They had the Garcia clone from Deep Banana Blackout, a couple relatively young but experienced hands on drums and hopefully non-toxic keys, plus the possibility of unlisted guests, as at earlier gigs, non-outrageous ticket prices etc., whole thing seemed okay. Apparently ended when Weir fell down onstage, but that was furthur down the road.
A thing on the Phil Zone site in late 90s where he announced that he was disgusted with at least some of the other Dead, the ones who wanted to use the Vault as collateral in a venture with Microsoft, according to him---suppose there might be *some* lasting fallout from the Phil Zone over this, and maybe that's in the book as well.

dow, Thursday, 28 June 2018 20:01 (seven months ago) Permalink

Oh no, sorry, he wasn't from DBB; this was the crew we got with Lesh and Weir:
The original lineup also included John Kadlecik of the Dark Star Orchestra on lead guitar, Jeff Chimenti of RatDog on keyboards, Jay Lane of RatDog on percussion, and Joe Russo of the Benevento/Russo Duo on drums.

dow, Thursday, 28 June 2018 20:33 (seven months ago) Permalink

Although Lane may have already split? I didn't actually attend, so no idea (assigned a preview, not a review).

dow, Thursday, 28 June 2018 20:35 (seven months ago) Permalink

Furthur retained much of the characteristic style and texture of the Dead. In addition to performing many of the songs regularly played in concert by the Dead, Furthur tried to "keep it fresh" by routinely adding new material to their setlists. This included many songs resurrected from the Grateful Dead's extensive songbook, including several rarely or never performed live, like "Alice D. Millionaire", as well as several cover songs from bands including the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, Bob Dylan, the Band, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Ryan Adams, Van Morrison and the Clash. They also regularly performed some new, original material. Now I wish I'd gone!

dow, Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:02 (seven months ago) Permalink

Deep Dark Banana Star Blackout Orchestra. (It's hard to keep all them jambands straight...) xxp

Get aboard the flappy bird, departing gate 19 (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:16 (seven months ago) Permalink

was there always a vague affinity from jam bands towards the talking heads? it's something i've noticed lately. there's even a band called 'pink talking phish' which i'm sure is just... something

global tetrahedron, Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:22 (seven months ago) Permalink

Post-Jerry: The Dead > Dead & Co >>> Furthur in my experience. Phil was great but he's nowhere near the player he used to be and Otiel in dead & co is an upgrade with a sweet voice for ballads and having a DSO's Jerry impersonator up front was creepy. My advice is don't let Mayer scare you away, he takes a backseat to Bob and deeply respects the music.

BrianB, Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:22 (seven months ago) Permalink

How was Trey w Dead & Co. or whatever they were called then?

dow, Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:26 (seven months ago) Permalink

i was driving lyft the night byrne played mpls and i picked up a carload of jam band dudes from colorado

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:28 (seven months ago) Permalink

thanks for picking us up dawg, though we weren't loving the tunes -- did you say it was some band called Loutallica?

tylerw, Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:30 (seven months ago) Permalink

Vernon is a shy violet with no spine.

this is really misinformed, vernon can actually belt when he wants to & is an outstanding, very well-rounded musician

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:33 (seven months ago) Permalink

The Dead w/ Warren Hayes >> The Dead w/ Trey. Trey's not bluesy enough to stand in Jerry's shoes.

BrianB, Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:43 (seven months ago) Permalink

In the times I tried (and failed) to get into Phish, it flummoxed me how they loved stuff right in my zone like the Dead, Talking Heads, and VU's Loaded -- yet I could find no way into their own music (including their covers of that stuff).

i’m still stanning (morrisp), Thursday, 28 June 2018 21:48 (seven months ago) Permalink

this is really misinformed, vernon can actually belt when he wants to & is an outstanding, very well-rounded musician

― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, June 28, 2018 5:33 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You're right, I'm only familiar with For Emma, Forever Ago (which I loved), and his wishy-washy Grammy's speech, which was 6 or 7 years ago. I haven't kept up with him.

flappy bird, Friday, 29 June 2018 16:53 (seven months ago) Permalink

i was a mayer skeptic for a long time but saw them at citi and thought he did a great job of largely taking a backseat while injecting some (relative) youth and energy into the lineup. he really killed the guitar on help -> slip -> franklin and his voice works pretty well on bluesier stuff like hurts me too. it's taken them some time to find their groove together but i'm feeling this tour a lot.

oiocha, Friday, 29 June 2018 17:28 (seven months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

god dicks picks 8 is good, the acoustic set and the other one -> cryptical envelopment -> cosmic charlie -> casey jones -> good lovin (with a really wild driving jam on a track i normally can skip) stretch is insane. trying to make it through every dp on spotify. what a great time to be a dead fan.

oiocha, Saturday, 15 September 2018 03:54 (five months ago) Permalink

i was a mayer skeptic for a long time but saw them at citi and thought he did a great job of largely taking a backseat while injecting some (relative) youth and energy into the lineup. he really killed the guitar on help -> slip -> franklin and his voice works pretty well on bluesier stuff like hurts me too. it's taken them some time to find their groove together but i'm feeling this tour a lot.

You’re taking the piss right

calstars, Saturday, 15 September 2018 04:05 (five months ago) Permalink

i think that now i'm easing closer to middle age i'm gonna get super into the dead, just feels right imo

gbx, Saturday, 15 September 2018 20:06 (five months ago) Permalink

i found my two favorite dick's picks at the record shoppe, vols 3 and 4 just sitting there right next to each other :)

global tetrahedron, Saturday, 15 September 2018 20:52 (five months ago) Permalink

i think that now i'm easing closer to middle age i'm gonna get super into the dead, just feels right imo

this has been me over the last 2 weeks. 45 was the magic number as it turns out.

Dicks Picks 3 has been in constant rotation

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 16 September 2018 05:15 (five months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

i...don't understand why they ever had two drummers. it makes sense on occasion, certain eras (earlier, especially), and different songs where they play in a complimentary way. but for the most part, whenever i have the chance to watch a grateful dead clip and both billy and mickey are playing, they're pretty much playing the exact same thing. it is weird.

Karl Malone, Sunday, 25 November 2018 03:55 (two months ago) Permalink

in 68/69 i feel the duo drumming did have good effect, when mickey rejoined after the hiatus i fail to hear anything interesting coming from the pair. they were certainly more dynamic and got into some of my favorite stuff with just bill. that said, i do appreciate that mickey is and was a really far out spacey dude and kept a lot of weirdness present as they got bigger and lamer. this read on the beam is pretty cool even if a lot of it is over my head:

and he seems the most curious and restless member even into the current day-

global tetrahedron, Sunday, 25 November 2018 04:59 (two months ago) Permalink

Thanks for linking that interview... I skimmed over some chunks of it, but it’s really interesting. Mickey is cool.

my guitar friend wants his money (morrisp), Sunday, 25 November 2018 07:15 (two months ago) Permalink

holy shit, the beam

i didn't know about ANY of that.

Karl Malone, Sunday, 25 November 2018 08:15 (two months ago) Permalink

i also have no idea what the beam is about, for the most part, but it strikes me as something where only mickey hart thinks he understands and everyone else is like "well either we're friends with mickey or paid by him to work on this beam, so fuck yeah the beam"

Karl Malone, Sunday, 25 November 2018 08:17 (two months ago) Permalink

Karl Malone, Sunday, 25 November 2018 08:19 (two months ago) Permalink

He should have kicked Mayer in that clip, jfc

MaresNest, Sunday, 25 November 2018 14:33 (two months ago) Permalink

Duke, Sunday, 25 November 2018 15:05 (two months ago) Permalink

it strikes me as something where only mickey hart thinks he understands

this is why it’s cool btw

global tetrahedron, Sunday, 25 November 2018 17:01 (two months ago) Permalink

What band title is that Hart beam thing from. Not being paying attention to what they are going out under these days.

Stevolende, Sunday, 25 November 2018 19:44 (two months ago) Permalink

is the amazon series worth watching, btw


gbx, Sunday, 25 November 2018 22:15 (two months ago) Permalink

see discussion starting here: should i give the grateful dead a chance?

my guitar friend wants his money (morrisp), Sunday, 25 November 2018 22:29 (two months ago) Permalink

yeah it's good!

tylerw, Sunday, 25 November 2018 22:30 (two months ago) Permalink

XXP - It's a treat, definitely!

MaresNest, Sunday, 25 November 2018 23:07 (two months ago) Permalink

and yeah, i've listened to a fair amount of post 74 Dead and it seems to me that Hart is usually at his best when you forget he's even there. the main argument you could make for him is that he kept the band's experimental edge in the mix on the drums > space situations (which can be the most interesting parts of 80s/90s shows). but in a lot of cases he keeps things in a weird rhythmic zone — too bad, because between 72-74, Kreutzmann was proving himself to be a pretty incredible drummer. After that he's a little bit checked out. But I can only assume he wanted Hart there ...

tylerw, Sunday, 25 November 2018 23:39 (two months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Anyone else think about this commercial all the time?

peace, man, Friday, 1 February 2019 23:38 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I read that the Dead paid everyone in their crew -- roadies, drivers, techs, soundpeople -- the same amount that the band members got paid for a show. So, whatever Jerry made on a show, that's what the truck driver made, too.

Anyone know if that was true? And if so, did it continue into the '80s and '90s?

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 2 February 2019 01:03 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i don't know if that's true but i know they paid health insurance etc

global tetrahedron, Saturday, 2 February 2019 06:28 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Wow, I do faintly remember that ad

i stan corrected (morrisp), Saturday, 2 February 2019 06:46 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I totally remember that but it meant nothing to me at the time as I was still pissed that the Dead didn’t sound like sabbath.

Also is that Spike Lee in there?

joygoat, Saturday, 2 February 2019 16:19 (two weeks ago) Permalink

He directed the ad iirc.

peace, man, Saturday, 2 February 2019 16:35 (two weeks ago) Permalink

from the same campaign as the rob liefeld levis ad. heady times

adam, Saturday, 2 February 2019 16:55 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I feel like that was a trend in the early ‘90s, high-profile directors bringing “prestige” to TV commercials... guess it doesn’t really happen now (maybe b/c commercials are often skipped)?

i stan corrected (morrisp), Saturday, 2 February 2019 16:59 (two weeks ago) Permalink

yeah David Lynch, PTA, and I think even Tarantino did commercials in the 90s.

afaik that detail about pay could be correct, perhaps exaggerated, but in the 4 hour doc from a couple years ago, it was stressed how much Jerry felt obligated to keep the machine going despite his poor health and addiction issues because if he stopped, even for a season, he'd be putting hundreds of people out of work.

flappy bird, Sunday, 3 February 2019 22:36 (two weeks ago) Permalink

the '90s was definitely lynch's ad-making peak, he's done ads since then but not as many as he did in the '90s

his playstation 2 ad was pretty memorable

you know, in '81 he did a music video (sparks' "i predict"), in the 2000s he did online videos. the man adapts with the times.

The Elvis of Nationalism and Amoral Patriotism (rushomancy), Sunday, 3 February 2019 22:45 (two weeks ago) Permalink

five years from now people will want to know the thread where david lynch's playstation 2 ad is discussed and it'll turn out to be the grateful dead live thread, and everybody will say "of course!"

The Elvis of Nationalism and Amoral Patriotism (rushomancy), Sunday, 3 February 2019 22:47 (two weeks ago) Permalink

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