Faust: C or D?

Now=Dud: don't think so really, just different. 'you know faUSt' is quite good in an early faustion way and the later releases are more drone, fuzz rock (which i find a bit boring). the live 'Land Of Ukkio...' is far better than the studio based 'Ravvivando' in this type.

still waiting on the latest album to reach my mail box. here's the blurb from AndyW's wonderfull www.faust-pages.com :

After years of on-off debate about whether there are any significant unreleased works from the early days of Faust, now comes the group's definitive answer with the release of Patchwork: 1971-2002. While the album compiles material from right across the group's history to date, most is from the Wümme period, 1971-1974. Including new versions of classic Faust material such as It's a Rainy Day, Krautrock, Psalter and Stretch Out Time (from the original Faust Tapes)

"jennifer" is still one of my all time favorite songs.

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71 minutes of FAUST

(not entirely post IV, but a good bit of it)

Incidentally, I understand that "Outside The Dream Syndicate" (the album Faust did with Tony Conrad in '73) is due to be re-released (complete with a 2nd CD of bonus tracks etc. apparently) but I've heard very mixed reports of this one - is anyone familiar with it? C or D?

Classic. "Academic" mid-1960s underground L.E.S. NY little-m minimalism meets German psychedelia.

I think the bonus tracks is probably the same schtuff as was released on the 7" that originally came with the CD (which had a bonus track itself), but I've no idea. I've got the orig. Caroline issue (released as a "nice price" style, just like Faust Tapes), plus the CD + 7" version...

Faust are one of the cornerstones of my life but that's based entirely on the first four albums and Rien. they never really jumped the shark, so to speak, but they just sort of became less essential.

i saw them live in 1998 or 1999, and it was good, but not amazing. the sense of danger and unpredictability that i expected was absent.

I will grow old and they will remain my favorite band. Can't do the new stuff though, the balance is gone without Rudolf Sosna's songs and Kurt Graupner's engineering.

The story in this month's Wire was nice to see but frustratingly Irmler-centric. I don't trust that guy...

EMI, who now own the Virgin label, have announced the release of a remastered Faust IV with extra tracks. You'll want to snap this up, not only for the new material but because the mastering of the existing version of the album on CD is so poor.

From the press release: "The bonus disc is completed with six previously unreleased tracks recorded by Uwe Nettelbeck. Beginning with a soporific take on Jennifer, followed by an alternate take of The Sad Skinhead, an extended version of Just a Second takes the track to greater levels of trance inducement, before ending in its almost trademark snare crack half roll. The ambient Piano Piece is reminiscent of Brian Eno's Another Green World - best known as the theme tune to the BBC documentary series Arena. A gentle and shimmering piece it is a gem tucked away on this second disc that concludes with alternate takes on Lauft and Giggy Smile."

As with the existing release, the track listing doesn't mention the track Run seperately, although presumably it will stiill be there, tacked on to the end of Lauft.

CD1: The original album, re-mastered

* Krautrock
* The Sad Skinhead
* Jennifer
* Just a Second (Starts Like That!)
* Picnic on a Frozen River (Deuxieme Tableux)
* Lauft... Heist Das Es Lauft Oder Es Kommt Bald... Lauft
* It's a Bit of a Pain

CD2: bonus disc

* The Lurcher (BBC Peel Session)
* Krautrock (BBC Peel Session)
* Do So (BBC Peel Session)
* Jennifer (Alternate)
* The Sad Skinhead (Alternate)
* Just A Second (Starts Like That!) (Extended Version)
* Piano Piece (aka Das Meer)
* Lauft... Heisst Das Es Lauft Oder Es Kommt Bald... Lauft (Alternate)
* Giggy Smile (Alternate)

the track listing on faustpages is incorrect as well -- looks like the new remaster got it right though

The only track I'm not fussed about is the third (longest) one off the first album.

All the rest, and indeed "IV" is all classic. I don't know why.

What that one where they're all round the pianner having a good old Teutonic singalong (Knees Up, Mutter Braun) and "Garlic, yes/ White/ Yes white" etc etc?

"Why don't you eat carrots" still my favourite. Like a manic circus parade ploughing through some couple's bedroom, at one point.

Woman: "Have they gone?"
Man: "I Think so"
"ting....."

-- John Bullabaugh (Liphedd...), March 9th, 2003 1:34 PM.

Yes, also: Patchwork, which is like a Faust mixtape made by crazies and Derbe Respect, Alder (with Dalek) are fucking grand.

That album is overrated, IMHO. They skitzophrenically switch genres with each song to the point that the album really loses something. The first song is a pretty nice krauty instrumental jam. Nothing amazing, but nice. I can't remember the exact track order, but at the beginning of the CD there's also the dub, ambient rock song, which is pretty nice. But then there's that one that sounds something like an Irish jig. What the hell is with that? It's so out of place. I think the album is lacking a cohesive flow to the whole thing.

That is why.

Totally ridiculous. While Rainy Day Sunshine Girl is a very VU type thing, it is it's own beast and a magnificent one at that, and also classic for I've Got My Car and My TV/Picnic On a Frozen River.

remaster sounds good, they fixed the tracking and the tape splice glitch on 'jennifer', and they restored the original beautiful cover art with the smaller sheet music & typeface

most of the alternative versions are earlier mixes of album tracks... same performance, but rougher eq balance & in some cases one less layer of sound. 'sad skinhead' has an extra verse and 'piano piece' (aka 'meer' from 71 minutes) is about three minutes longer. nothing earthshaking.

the real attraction is the complete 10 minute version of 'just a minute', which is faded down about 90 seconds in on the original album. it's cool, basically just jamming and then the tape machine got turned on, but... it's them all right, you could tell it was them from the next room. beautiful part in the middle where everything breaks down just to the drums and that incredibly corroded, echoey wash of organ ambience that was distinctively theirs, fans know what I'm talking about.

(I'm guessing this is more of the 'laufzeitmachine', a delay that graupner built them using several tape heads & a tape loop threaded around a turntable, which could then be 'played' to change the tape speed as it fed back. we still need a longer interview with graupner about the gear he built them)

so, good to have the new jam, but the main thing is they've finally done the mastering and track id's right.

I got my copy (of IV) in Dec 1981 from a Zappa fan's collection, for the price of a pizza. already a fan from borrowing it, I jumped at the chance when the hungry Zappa fan made me the offer!

Has anybody come across any genuine live material by the band from its original incarnation?
I thin there was supposed to be a '73 live set shared with Henry Cow but I don't think the d/ld was still active also not sure if it was necessarily actually valid anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op6FRZGo4ek

playing with NWW and Cut Hands on Dec. 5th in London...

damn!

in the flesh: faust sat next to me at a hipster vietnamese spot in bushwick last night. then they fucking leveled market hotel. amazing band.

goddamn right they did!

the SF show was wonderful. huge expanded band of local musicians. I did not enjoy the 1994 SF show, but maybe my expectations were too high for that first reunion or I was too close to my high school obsession with their 70s records; this time around I was just a lot more grateful to see them. huge expanded band of local musicians including a brass band and chorus situated about the crowd. no pre-reformation material, but lots of 'munic & elsewhere' / 'outside the dream syndicate'-esque 2/4 stompers. all much better live than the recent albums.

argh proofread before posting

70s albums have been on iPod for the first time in years since the show. what a band.

Whoa. Got tickets to the Louisville show since I couldn't make Big Ears --- reading this, now I'm even more excited.

oh man, sorry I missed them. What is the touring Faust lineup?

this was 'faUSt' (Peron & Zappi & ersatz cavalcade)

Irmler seems to have been concentrating on other various collaborations since the other two have ramped up recording and touring with the band name again. his records with Gudrun Gut and Jaki Liebezeit both have a bit more freedom to them than what he was calling Faust.

what name is that Liebezeit collab under, and what is album title?

i didn't enjoy faust in sf as much as milton but my experienced was probably dampened by seeing magma the night before

I missed Magma this time, but... Magma is currently one of the best touring bands in the entire known galaxy so... saw them in 2010 and 2014, and I hear the new guys they've added since last year's show are insane.

are you guys saying i should go see magma on friday

if you like music!

xp self-titled, spotify. again, temper your expectations, more FYI than anything else

cool thanks, I just need a Jaki fix tbh

i saw faust (great, but short set) and missed magma (conflicting plans) but always need a jaki fix!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfabqGeA2IU

Great! Never knew Impressions existed. So this is where Cadbury got their idea with the gorilla-ad from

Looks like the Faust / Slapp Happy shows at Cafe Oto were rather good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKccCYmwrLE

Wish I'd gone now :(

I dunno if I'm a fan of the "Faust is Last" album; sadly it would have been better if they had trimmed it by about a half hour. Because both discs have some great pieces along with a lot of interchangable material. Ravvivando is still the post-reformation group's high water mark.

― frogbs, Monday, October 25, 2010 1:09 PM (six years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I take it back, I think it's pretty good now. definitely one of those albums you gotta crank up. even the second disc feels quite interesting to me, now.

anyone try out the last two Faust albums? kinda wanted to check them out based on the strength of this album, even though it's a totally different lineup.

New album Fresh Air in two weeks. I don't have the highest of hopes but I'm willing to give it a shot!

New box set with a whole unreleased album from 1974 -

https://superdeluxeedition.com/news/faust-1971-1974-limited-edition-box-set-on-cd-and-vinyl/

so half of Punkt appears to be stuff that also appeared on 71 Minutes, but in a different form (sounds more like demos). other half is (I think?) new, clearly recorded during the same sessions though. good stuff but not exactly a "new album", it's nowhere near as polished as Faust IV. the two discs of rarities are pretty neat though, its like 2 more albums of Faust Tapes, minus the actual songs. plenty of cool jams though

omg did this ship?!?!

It did, the unreleased stuff is pretty damn great too, my theory is that they finally located the multitracks that they did a runner with from the last sessions in Munich.

They apparently had a week in the studio before they were rumbled. I think this extra stuff is all from there, but they wanted to attach all the other albums to it to make more of it.

It works for me, because we already have all the Wumme stuff and the Manor out-takes.

wonder if any of this is gonna be released separately. would be cool to be able to get Punkt as a standalone and So Far is desperately in need of a repress.

gahh why hasn't my Forced Exposure preorder shipped, dying over here

New album

https://faust-berlin.bandcamp.com/album/daumenbruch

Seems to be another new lineup? Anyway, great cover and clicking around these tunes seem pretty chaotic

Really enjoying this release

where tf is that box set repress, YSI?

wonder if any of this is gonna be released separately. would be cool to be able to get Punkt as a standalone and So Far is desperately in need of a repress.

― frogbs, Monday, October 18, 2021 4:42 PM (six months ago) bookmarkflaglink

what do you know

https://www.forcedexposure.com/Catalog/faust-punkt-lp/BB.392LP.html

👍🏽

And indeed

https://faust.bandcamp.com/album/punkt

Still not on Spotify, but.

(The Faust Tapes is, with the new titles...)

picked up the standalone LP of Punkt and really liking it. I was a bit too dismissive at first. "Morning Land" is similar to the first track on 71 Minutes but the version of "Knochentanz" sure isn't...it's got a polka rhythm which suddenly switches into a shuffle. super cool. the way the drums kick in is very much like "Krautrock". "Fernlicht", I swear, sounds like it could fit on the next Autechre album (if it were 8x longer). the direction they went in after they reformed makes a lot more sense now. "Schon Rund" has some of the prettiest gosh darn music in their whole catalogue. really makes good on the promise of those little piano pieces they sometimes did. the entire record sounds weirdly modern too - I'd believe it was something on Ipecac in 2005. dare I say it would be a pretty high profile album if it was actually released in '75 (maybe it wouldn't have been at the time, but it would totally have a following now)

New live album, This Is The Right Path, recorded in China in 2016.

https://oldheavenbooks.bandcamp.com/album/this-is-the-right-path

“Dec. 2015: I received an invitation from Old Heaven to participate with FaUSt to the 3rd edition of “Tomorrow Festival” at B10 Live, Shenzhen, China!
A few months later, May 2016, we were on our way to the most exciting concert experience. A loooong flight-haul and then, such a warm welcome, such a perfect organization… the most charming, dedicated, competent crew around us… the largest cement mixer I ever used on stage, and an audience so vibrant, so focused.
I was and still am in memory, overwhelmed by the endless energy of all the people I met: technicians, promoters, music fans, the so-creative Knitting Ladies, my old-time friend Keiji Haino, and my comrade Maxime.
The music we created together had been accurately recorded. As Old Heaven proposed to release this concert, I immediately was enthused by the idea. Even more so when I heard the perfect mix of Liu Ying. Two tracks were beautifully post-produced, edited and mixed by Amaury Cambuzat.
I loved the B10 Live performance and place it in my top ten FaUSt concerts ever and I love this album, I do.”

—— JHP / art-Errorist

Jean-Hervé Péron: Vocals / Bass / Acoustic Guitars / Trumpet / Cement Mixer
Werner “Zappi” Diermaier: Drums

Very Special Guests：
Maxime Manac’h: Keyboards / Guitar/ Gas Cylinder / Hurdy-Gurdy
Keiji Haino: Vocals / Electric Guitars / Electronics
Wei Zi, Tina, Li Tingting: Knitting Performance

whoa...didn't know they did a show with Keiji Haino. makes sense though

heard the two Momentaufnahme discs from the 1971-1974 set are getting a separate vinyl release. hopefully they just do the whole box. would be nice to have a copy of So Far that is NOT the 4 Men With Beards version

I have a bunch of Polydor/Virgin origs, will be nice to finish up with the box extras.

That live set looks great and went to order it, but balked at paying $30 shipping for a $28 CD. Nope.

So the unreleased stuff on the boxset from two years back is available separately now:

https://faust.bandcamp.com/album/momentaufnahme-i

https://faust.bandcamp.com/album/momentaufnahme-ii

Or at least the Momentaufnahme work.

Faust and Faust So Far are on streaming now too. Not sure if that just happened today or was the case for a while... but last year when I checked they weren't there.

The "punkt." also.