― Tom, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― RickyT, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
Not that we all watched it or anything.
Tom - 'giving it some moan'? Hein?
― Emma, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
'Only when you start giving it a bit of welly, matey'.
It is very effective Tom. Ha ha ha.
Here in Belgium, VT4 is probably closest to C5 (also Kanaal2 to an extent, but they also have Buffy, so can't knock them too much). AB3 shows genuine erotica and Canal+ hardcore porn. These continentals are so sophisticated.
― Jeff W, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― bnw, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
A lot of them are made by Zalman King, who wrote '9 and 1/2 Weeks' and starred in 'Blue Sunshine', a great 70s exploitation pic where people take a type of LSD that turns them bald and psycho!
Perhaps the nearest thing to an auteur in the genre is the director Gregory Hippolyte (sp) who also makes hardcore under the name Gregory Dark, and pop videos for people like Britney Spears (I think 'Hit Me Baby One More Time' was one of his!)
― Andrew L, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sarah, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
It featured Nazis and some kind of sinister plot. There were great bits when these people would be shagging away (in a not actually shagging kind of way) and would then turn and give the Hitler salute to a huge wall mounted swastika.
being a Nazi is cool.
― DV, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Lek Dukagjin, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Chris, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dan Perry, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― nabisco, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
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― Norman Phay, Thursday, 25 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
HA HA HA HA HA
GAH.
why did erotic thrillers have to die as a genre? I really love them.
― homosexual II, Sunday, 27 February 2011 06:13 (thirteen years ago) link
im watching poison ivy starring DREW BARRYMORE on instant netflix right now
― homosexual II, Sunday, 27 February 2011 06:14 (thirteen years ago) link
1) Lisa Boyle was way hott!! She was in like the first Bad Boys movie.
2) Blue Sunshine is a movie I desperately want to see.
3) The movie that Norman Phay was talking about, about the family that hates each other, is called Friend of the Family starring Shauna O'Brien as Elke the hot tenant that shags everyone.
― hapshash jar tempo (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 27 February 2011 06:29 (thirteen years ago) link
didnt u see CHLOE
― Gukbe, Sunday, 27 February 2011 06:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Is that the one with Max Headroom as the dad?
― Pleasant Plains, Sunday, 27 February 2011 06:38 (thirteen years ago) link
tom skerritt is the dad
― homosexual II, Sunday, 27 February 2011 06:40 (thirteen years ago) link
what does everyone think of SLIVER? the soundtrack is pretty great.
― homosexual II, Sunday, 27 February 2011 06:41 (thirteen years ago) link
i think in 1994 the concept of PEOPLE WATCHING YOU was way more edgy.
― homosexual II, Sunday, 27 February 2011 06:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Doesn't Poison Ivy have Alyssa Milano in it as well? The sequel is where the blond girl from My Name is Earl got her big break...
Even though I've seen Exotica, I'm still kinda weirded out about Egoyan making high-class softcore...there was a time in my adolescence when I was a little obsessed w Canadian art-films, and I really liked The Sweet Hereafter...
― hapshash jar tempo (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 27 February 2011 06:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Poison Ivy 2 has Alyssa Milano in it
Poison Ivy 3 is the one w/ Jaime Presley
― homosexual II, Sunday, 27 February 2011 06:49 (thirteen years ago) link
i like erotic thrillers with sexual awakenings (poison ivy 2, lake consequence) but i also like ones about women being stalked (lady beware, sliver)
― homosexual II, Sunday, 27 February 2011 06:50 (thirteen years ago) link
You ever see Boxing Helena?
― hapshash jar tempo (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 27 February 2011 06:51 (thirteen years ago) link
No idea why I had Matt Frewer in my mind as a guy getting cut with a knife in that movie.
Meanwhile, this is hilarious:
http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/8066/screenshot20110227at125.png
― Pleasant Plains, Sunday, 27 February 2011 06:53 (thirteen years ago) link
yes ive seen boxing helena tons of times
its pretty ridic
― homosexual II, Sunday, 27 February 2011 06:54 (thirteen years ago) link
i used to think that sex scene in boxing helena w/ julian sands and the nurse was soooooooooooo hot
i was like 15
― homosexual II, Sunday, 27 February 2011 06:55 (thirteen years ago) link
has anyone seen lake consequence?
its pretty great. its also on instant netflix.
― homosexual II, Sunday, 27 February 2011 06:56 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eNUq7004WI
― homosexual II, Sunday, 27 February 2011 06:59 (thirteen years ago) link
i also HIGHLY RECOMMEND the lifetime movie with eric roberts (love him) and anne heche - FATAL DESIRE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFS2B6W6Y8o
― homosexual II, Sunday, 27 February 2011 07:01 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah I saw Lake CQ way back in the day. My memory's a bit fuzzy about the actual movie but there was a jacuzzi 3some on the video box; I'll never forget that.
One movie like that I always wanted to check out but never did was Angels and Insects. Did you ever see that one, h2?
― hapshash jar tempo (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 27 February 2011 07:02 (thirteen years ago) link
yup, seen it. i dont really think of that as an erotic thriller, though. the costumes are pretty.
― homosexual II, Sunday, 27 February 2011 07:04 (thirteen years ago) link
i think it's worth a watch, though
― homosexual II, Sunday, 27 February 2011 07:05 (thirteen years ago) link
This Letterboxd list that I just found does a credible and thorough job of trying to define the genre, I think.
― the general theme of STUFF (cryptosicko), Friday, 25 August 2017 20:25 (six years ago) link
jackpot!
― Οὖτις, Friday, 25 August 2017 20:30 (six years ago) link
Body Double is incredible, it transcends Wasson's leaden performance― Οὖτις, Friday, August 25, 2017 3:30 PM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalinkand yes it is ridiculous BUT - in the classic DePalma way - I think it is legit good, it goes so hard on the camp and exploitation that it achieves a weird fever-dream tone that is fantastic and genuinely disturbing.― Οὖτις, Friday, August 25, 2017 3:32 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Οὖτις, Friday, August 25, 2017 3:30 PM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
and yes it is ridiculous BUT - in the classic DePalma way - I think it is legit good, it goes so hard on the camp and exploitation that it achieves a weird fever-dream tone that is fantastic and genuinely disturbing.
― Οὖτις, Friday, August 25, 2017 3:32 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
OTM. De Palma at his most unhinged, absurd and overblown in a totally compelling and entertaining way. Love it.
― circa1916, Friday, 25 August 2017 20:42 (six years ago) link
When the plot, acting, etc. are pointless, then what's the point? It looks like shit, too, just super bright sitcom lighting. What is there to actually enjoy in it? I mean, once the "Relax" video hits it sort of picks up, but it's practically over. As an exercise in style, maybe I could get behind it, but Ebert (and I assume others) took it seriously. And certainly Dressed to Kill took itself more seriously with similarly lurid themes, so why would he goof on himself? If your whole gist is hyper blown ott absurdity, then it's kind of lame to riff on yourself, though DePalma is nothing if not self-reflexive.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 25 August 2017 20:48 (six years ago) link
I do like, in theory, the idea of this one and Body Heat explicitly transgressing (relatively speaking) in the ways their direct inspirations could not but clearly wanted to. Nudity, language, blood. Don't know if that makes it better, but I have no doubt Hitchcock would have reveled in stuff so sleazy. On that other thread back when I think I made the same point about Basic Instinct.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 25 August 2017 20:50 (six years ago) link
Thief of Hearts! Wow, that takes me back to borrowing dad's Blockbuster card fer shurr.
― Tone-Locrian (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 25 August 2017 20:51 (six years ago) link
I think the only thing I agree w you is that Wasson's acting is not great. But he's serviceable, and everything else going on around him is very rich imo.
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― Οὖτις, Friday, 25 August 2017 20:51 (six years ago) link
I don't know, I think it's actually not rich. Very shallow, very artificial, and very one person speaks one stilted line at a time. Had it better pulled off the Rear Window meets Vertigo mash-up I'd be more enthused.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 25 August 2017 20:53 (six years ago) link
I mean, many of the same problems I have with Basic Instinct so many years later, but at least BI undoubtedly looks awesome. It's well crafted.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 25 August 2017 20:54 (six years ago) link
https://d2ydh70d4b5xgv.cloudfront.net/images/4/9/michael-jackson-vinyl-lp-thriller-gatefold-original-picture-lyric-sleeve-46af1541e719b6e750644b478316ad5d.jpgErotic Thriller?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 25 August 2017 20:56 (six years ago) link
The whole panty-sniffing mall/beach chase scene in Body Double, and Wasson staying up late and seeing Holly Body on TV, and so on, felt so disconnected when I saw it again a few years ago, like hearing someone tell you a story about getting laid in a way that makes you cringe instead of relate.
― Eazy, Friday, 25 August 2017 20:57 (six years ago) link
Agree that somewhere in the second half it loses itself plotwise but that only adds to what Shakey said about the fever dream feel of it. Falls down this rabbit hole of unreality. It is (largely) an exercise in style, and that's not unsubstantial, particularly if we're talking about this genre and this director. Seeing BDP basically turn his movie riffing on his own oeuvre is total gleeful fun. It's way more interesting and less straight up than what you normally get with this genre.
― circa1916, Saturday, 26 August 2017 01:39 (six years ago) link
Steven Bauer is hot as fuuuuk on THIEF OF HEARTS
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 26 August 2017 01:40 (six years ago) link
OK, back to Body Double. I somehow completely forgot the ending, not just the climax, but the ending. So in general there is all sorts of wtf-ery going on in this movie. Why does the killer use a giant drill? Is the Relax video real or fantasy? Why when he meets Holly after their scene together minutes earlier is he suddenly pretending to be a slick producer? What was the killer's plan, anyway? Steal diamonds? Anyway, none of that matters, the movie is dumb, though we can debate if it's smart-dumb (though I would counter that Femme Fatale covers similar meta smart-dumb ground much, much better).
Anyway, the end. So Holly - not dead - is about to be buried alive (apparently running distance from an active police scene). The Indian dumps her in the hole, guy comes to rescue her, fights with the Indian, deus ex white dog, Indian goes into the reservoir, guy says he's here to help Holly and then ... cut to guy back to his job (which he wasn't fired from?) as a cheesy vampire, then over the credits he's made to freeze while they sub in the body double for the woman on the shower, and the rest of the credits roll over her exposed breasts. Like, wtf?
Learned this from wiki, though: "Slavitza Jovan, who appeared as Gozer the Gozerian in Ghostbusters the same year, 1984, briefly appears as a saleslady."
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 27 August 2017 12:55 (six years ago) link
if anything the movies you're talking about (cat 1 if you will) were an attempt to prestige-ify and supersize them for a bigger audience
otm, I think a lot of it was mainstreaming stuff from '70s pulp and peepsploitation. So the Category II movies are kind of just returning the material to its cheap knockoff roots. In Category I, I love how many marquee names of the '80s made at least one erotic thriller. It's like all the aging rock stars making at least one New Wave album.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 27 August 2017 19:28 (six years ago) link
i think the two shifts totally go hand in hand: i absolutely associate the 80s new wavification of rock with the mainstreaming of the erotic thriller -- not least bcz the texture of music videos permeated the early 80s films in this vein (and vice versa)
― mark s, Sunday, 27 August 2017 19:36 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWz9VN40nCA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaPTELylZ1s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69Z6MAK58gs
― mark s, Sunday, 27 August 2017 19:44 (six years ago) link
Excellent point but you have inexplicably omitted Sheena Easton's "Sugar Walls."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-Alq8rJIbo
― Tone-Locrian (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 27 August 2017 20:22 (six years ago) link
"Self Control" definitely. All that exciting danger a liberated woman encounters.
Definitely why Dressed to Kill fits.
Also, random notes:
Jonathan Rosenbaum on Basic Instinct: https://m.chicagoreader.com/chicago/how-to-write-a-3-million-script/Content?oid=879416
Fatal Attraction is the all-time hit of this genre, isn't it?
And given how long it took Kubrick to make Eyes WideShut, he must've started in on it around that time.
― Eazy, Sunday, 27 August 2017 22:26 (six years ago) link
So why did "In the Cut" end Meg Ryan's career? It's not great but she is not particularly terrible, nor is it by any means embarrassing. It's just a creepy little movie.
― Οὖτις, Monday, 27 November 2017 02:20 (six years ago) link
It didn't, iirc. I want to say the nail in the coffin - beyond just her entering upper middle age and getting written out of roles like Renee Russo on down - was a few years earlier, with "Proof of Life," when her affair with Russel Crowe (right?) got her branded the proverbial other woman and she became tabloid fodder. I suppose it's more accurate to say "In the Cut" killed Campion's Hollywood hopes.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 27 November 2017 02:29 (six years ago) link
It's well-made and directed imo
― Οὖτις, Monday, 27 November 2017 02:32 (six years ago) link
It was fine, iirc. But maybe, especially a few years post Piano, so anonymously 'erotic thriller" that no one cared. That's why I don't think it's Meg that it killed, any more than, say, Sliver killed Sharon Stone's career. Which, of course, it didn't, if you include "Casino," but that was an outlier. It feels that Sliver (like Jade did for Linda Fiorentino) really reduced her to a joke, even if Joe Eszterhas was ultimately to blame for both. And those plus Showgirls killed his career as much as it did theirs.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 27 November 2017 02:40 (six years ago) link
That is, all those movies took down their respective auteurs and while not necessarily their leads, they seemed to go down with them.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 27 November 2017 02:41 (six years ago) link
https://www.sfgate.com/sf-culture/article/From-Basic-Instinct-to-Showgirls-the-15865290.php
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:42 (three years ago) link
Adrian Lyne and Ben Affleck are bringing it back, baby
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Water_(2021_film)
― stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:44 (three years ago) link
Further to which
Crazy gossip from work I can’t not share: at least one of the big streamers wants to bring back erotic thrillers. (Can’t wait for a new Adrian Lyne movie)— Aaron Stewart-Ahn (@somebadideas) May 8, 2021
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 9 May 2021 02:15 (two years ago) link
let's goooooooo
― call all destroyer, Sunday, 9 May 2021 02:21 (two years ago) link
"I hear you're a...big streamer..."
― blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 9 May 2021 02:24 (two years ago) link
from peppe the piss pig, a watersports-themed erotic thriller
― John Cooper of Christian rock band Skillet (map), Sunday, 9 May 2021 02:34 (two years ago) link
straight to streaming erotic thrillers sounds like a goldmine
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 9 May 2021 03:06 (two years ago) link
this is definitely Prime if it's true
― intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Sunday, 9 May 2021 03:20 (two years ago) link
hope all erotic thriller fans are aware of the delightful and odd podcast NIGHT TIME FOR ONEhttp://nighttimeforone.com/
― sean gramophone, Sunday, 9 May 2021 03:44 (two years ago) link
I love Prime it's such a weird chaotic mess, there are some crazy weird 70s movies down in the Prime basement
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 9 May 2021 03:57 (two years ago) link
the voyeurs which has just popped up on amazon prime def looks like it’s got this vibe
― just sayin, Saturday, 11 September 2021 09:17 (two years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-xndtrXsAAc2VH.jpg
― just sayin, Saturday, 11 September 2021 09:27 (two years ago) link
C5 have been repeating Red Shoe Diaries, just in case you missed David Duchovny reading steamy letters to a dog.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 11 September 2021 11:23 (two years ago) link
read Michael Mohan as Michael Chabon at first
― Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Saturday, 11 September 2021 21:45 (two years ago) link
https://deadline.com/2021/12/ben-affleck-ana-de-armas-movie-deep-water-heading-to-streaming-1234890214/
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 13 December 2021 23:37 (two years ago) link
Here we go:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/you-must-remember-this-new-season-erotic-movies-1235107060/
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 16:09 (two years ago) link
Some films discussed in the season will be American Gigolo, Fast Times at Ridgemont High, Fatal Attraction, as well as works from Steven Soderbergh and Brian De Palma, among others. Each episode will focus on one year, discussing movies and stars, with the season culminating in the year 1999, focusing on Stanley Kubrick’s Eyes Wide Shut.
― Max Hamburgers (Eric H.), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 16:15 (two years ago) link
hmm
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 16:21 (two years ago) link
no skerritt no credibility
I was actually just thinking about Jade the other day and Linda Fiorentino, surely one of the undisputed queens of the genre
― mardheamac (gyac), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 16:26 (two years ago) link
Fast Times seems somewhat out of place there
― Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 18:28 (two years ago) link
Well the net seems to be cast a bit broadly, no bad thing.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 19:20 (two years ago) link
last american virgin seems to fit the bill, as well
― Punster McPunisher, Wednesday, 9 March 2022 21:20 (two years ago) link