Mystery Science Theater 3000: C/D, S/D.

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I absolutely adore this show, though I've only been able to see Sci- Fi episodes and only a handful of them at that due to infernal copyright issues (any channel wishing to broadcast it needs rights to both the episode and the film, thus only about 18 eps have been shown in the UK). So my knowledge of MST3K is very limited, but I'll add my vote to Overdrawn At The Memory Bank and Agent From H.A.R.M. - as for episodes to destroy, I haven't seen any eps that are bad but apparently the KTMA ones weren't that good, so destroy them.

Chris Lyons, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

First, the lowdown. Classic? Oh my, yes.

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Favorite Episode Available on Rihno: I Accuse My Parents or Catalina Caper. Favorite Episode Overall: Alien From L.A.. Favorite Short: The Days of Our Years. Favorite Riff Sequences: The Beau Brummels at the Whiskey-A-Go-Go in Village of the Giants and Fat Linda Rondstadt in The Incredible Melting Man. Favorite Riff: The Albert Goldman/Greil Marcus ref in The Pod People and the "...Massapequa, Massapequa Park, Amityville, Copaigue, Lindenhurst and Babylon. Change at Jamaica for..." line in The Beatniks.

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The fifteen-minute promo they did for Nintendo; the "sandwich" sketch at the end of The Undead; the long string of lesbian jokes in Racket Girls; and, ultimately, the movie, which while v. good, probably should never have been made; and finally, the various asinine copyright issues that pretty much will ensure its limited availability in non-bootleg form to future generations.

Michael Daddino, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The fifteen-minute promo they did for Nintendo

Herein a mystery -- what is this? Given that they're such gaming addicts I'm not surprised they did it...

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I made a boo-boo. It was actually for Playstation Magazine. Riffing was good, as you can imagine, but it was genuinely painful to watch them hawk stuff. Kinda odd that I can't find more info about it.

Michael Daddino, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Any film with Joe Don Baker or John Phillip Law is an absolute classic.

But if I'm being honest, I love nearly every one. The only one I think I would destroy is Hamlet, because the adaptation was so static and dull it was hard to make jokes from.

Nicole, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Oh, and Ned should definitely make me some tapes. The ones on sci-fi I see all the time, but I miss the old episodes.

Nicole, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Arrangements can be made. I need to get a second VCR for dubbing purposes first, though...

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

And yes, I did forget Space Mutiny, didn't I? "HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!"

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Additional Commentary

I brought the subject up because I think it's high time we discussed it at length. A lot of Americans on ILx are pretty vocal about their MST3K-love, but for obvious reasons, much of the UK posse have never even seen the show. Those who have only know the Sci-Fi era shows (and can't get Rhino tapes, either), so they're only getting part of the fun.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Comedy-Central purist at all. The primary reason I got slowly peeved at the AOL NY MST3K contingent was because they were by and large vehemently Anti-Mike, going on and on about how the show was a bunch of boring crap now and how cute and sexy Joel was. I just couldn't see it. Admittedly, though, by the time MST3K left CC, the show's early, woozy charm had long faded away -- but it was replaced by something else that, while slick, was still awfully entertaining. (Charm isn't everything.) At the other end of the history spectrum, the KTMAs aren't bad at all, but all woozy charm and few laffs. Still, that won't matter if you're already a fan.

The worst movie they ever did was, easily, Monster A Go-Go. Scroungily overamped "What'd I Say"-rip at the beginning, but looooong stretches of black & white nothingness punctuated by perhaps the most infuriating cinematic anticlimax ever. Next in line is Manos: The Hands of Fate. It's my impression that MST3K almost single-handedly velcroed this flick onto the Canon of Bad Movies, and that's a good thing, because it's a startling artifact with a great story behind it.

Favorite Sci-Fi-era Episode: Jack Frost. Indeed, every episode involving a children's movie is sterling.

Best Acting in a MST3K Episode: Beverly Garland reads the riot act to The Celery From Outer Space in It Conquered The World. Bela Lugosi tells a fellow scientist off in Bride of the Monster.

Crow vs. Crow: Trace-Crow is more neurotic, Bill-Crow is more snide, yet once Bill got in the groove, I seriously think they were in equal in goodness.

Joel vs. Mike:

Extraneous thought: if in some alternative universe Catalina Caper was a good, no, GREAT movie, the Avalanches' album would be its soundtrack. Perhaps we could kindly suggest to Tim Burton a remake...

Michael Daddino, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

it's a startling artifact with a great story behind it.

I was going to throw in a link to the article with all the info, but dammit, it's expired! Your vision of a new Catalina Caper thrills and disturbs my soul.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Although I should at least throw in a link to the more or less official fan site, the Satellite News.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The Manos article is here.

Michael Daddino, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

That's one of the reasons I could never get into any of the MST3K fan discussions/forums online, they all seem to suffer from this irrational hatred of Mike. It's so silly and pedantic. What's so wrong with liking Joel and Mike?

Nicole, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Why do you say the movie should not have been made, Mike?

Josh, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

For one, the movie didn't make any money, partly because Gramercy concentrated its promotional efforts on the Pamela Anderson vehicle Barb-Wire, which ended up belly-flopping anyway. Plus, I got this impression from some recent interview with a member of Best Brains (can't remember where I saw this) that they all ended up regretting ever making the thing in the first place. The whole process was too arduous and distracting and they had to deal with all the asshole suits who prided themselves on having a certain level of hepness, yet told BB to take out a joke about Bootsy Collins because they didn't know who was.

Michael Daddino, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The other weird indulgence of the AOL MSTies was the tongue-lashing Sampo, a.k.a. Chris Cornell (the mst3kinfo.com guy, not the Soundgarden guy), recieved on a regular basis. People seemed real irritated at the fact that he assumed the role of King of All MSTies rather quickly, and I attribute that to minor professional jealousy and peevishness over his pro-Mike stance, all caught in a spiral of ever-amplifying regicidal loathing that you often see online. (Sampo's sometime pomposity didn't help either.) Pettiness a go-go.

Michael Daddino, Sunday, 13 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

dude, fuck all that. after joel left the show totally went to shit. joel really wanted to create a feeling with story /characters and consistancy. mike was just a hired writer. i think i read someone saying in another thread "after a while if felt like the ones running the show just didnt get 'it' "

chaki, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

As so many of us are such pynchon junkies, here's a great mst3k & pynchon link.

i is brit and loving the mst3k. it can grate if you're not in the right mood, but fuck that for a game of toy soldiers. I also liked the film (riffing on This Island Earth -- fave bit is when the alien is explaining about the fate of his planet "a-huh, yeah, yup... got ya... a-huh"

Alan Trewartha, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

In point of fact, Mike wasn't merely a "hired writer": as early as the second season, he was the Head Writer. Since MST3K was always a group effort, I think it's difficult to pinpoint one person who was responsible for any particular characteristic of the show. (Two obvious exceptions, of course, are the whole Gizmonics Institute business and the idea for the Invention Exchange.) So he may share some responsibility with Joel H. for creating the rather paternal relationship between Joel R. & the 'bots -- a relationship which, for obvious reasons, would be altered once Mike replaced Joel R. the SOL.

Michael Daddino, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The funniest episode of MST3K I've ever seen is a Gammora movie that we watched on KTMA backstage during a high school show choir competition. I can't remember the name of the movie, but the bad monster was a giant gumball machine and the episode contained one of my favorite riffs ever (7-YEAR-OLD GIRL: I love you, Gamora! CROW: Keep your shirt on, honey.). Most of the others I've seen have come from the Sci-Fi years, but "Manos" is definitely classic. I will also put in a vote for "Overdrawn At The Memory Bank" if only because it's fun to watch Raul Julia in something embarrassing, plus "Squirm" and "The Final Sacrifice".

Dan Perry, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I loved Overdrawn At The Memory Bank as a child. I believe I still have a video on it somewhere doubling up with Max Headroom.

Pete, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Ah, the AOL MSTie days. Got my first stalker out of that bunch.

Anyway, I adored the show. Was a staunch Mike defender in the Mike v. Joel days, now I'm not so sure. Favorite bit (of all time): "Are You Happy In Your Work?"

Colin Meeder, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

What the fuck are you doing here, Colin? :)

Michael Daddino, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Dan -- you saw a KTMA on the air? I envy and worship you, my liege.

Colin -- yeah, I remember you were torgotback@aol.com, but the stalking? No, not that.

The boards also attracted a number of true mental cases, most unforgettably KeijiKJ. He was similar to Gondola Blob in that he indulged in casebook net.kook behavior: delusions of professionalism, snottily dismissive of any random thing, threw around the word "clique" a lot. I've even heard stories that he scared the bejesus out of BB members during the first con. I personally had a thoroughly pointless argument with him about the population of the cities in California.

Concerning Mike, I'll say this: there are quite a few times during the Sci-Fi-era when he seemed to be sending out his performance via Fed Ex. Sad, because it was clear after CC he was capable of much better. But you know, a lot of the Sci-Fi-era episodes that initially seemed kinda minor and kinda eh to me now strike me as being thoroughly solid.

Michael Daddino, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

That was my first exposure to MST3K. I had no idea that it was going to become so huge; I only thought that snarky Minnesotans would find it funny!

Dan Perry, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Well, you're lucky and we hate you. There. ;-)

I'm waiting on Mike's next collection of essays and novel myself. The Megacheese collection was a scream.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Michael: With you and Dave R. here, it was simply a matter of time.

Stalking resulted from an unfortunate IRL encounter with a nice enough person. I thought it was a lovely afternoon, she thought it was TRUE LOVE FOREVER. Eek. The story resolved harmlessly enough -- she found TRUE LOVE FOREVER again with another MSTie, and this time it was returned.

Colin Meeder, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

What the hell do I have to do with anything, Mr. Meeder? I've never seen you before in my life! (Weren't you supposed to get me a job?)

MST3K was never that big a part of my life - I watched it sporadically, and I always seemed to be in the wrong state of mind to truly enjoy it. I'll side with the Joel phreex, though, just because bald is sexy. (I'm getting sexier by the minute.)

David Raposa, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

DR: I'll side with the Joel phreex, though, just because bald is sexy. (I'm getting sexier by the minute.)

But wasn't Mike balder than Joel? I'm confused. No matter. I'm balder than both, and I agree with David.

Brian MacDonald, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I'm watching Rocketship X-M right now and it looks as if Joel is balder than Mike. I agree wholeheartedly that BALD(ING) = SEXXXY (my real and imaginary boyfriends are testament to this) but Joel really isn't bald enough to be sexy-bald.

Michael Daddino, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

grr, watch it daddino.

ethan, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Le huh?

Michael Daddino, Monday, 14 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Let me second Ned's Mike Nelson's Movie Megacheese rec. Even if you don't like or are not familiar with MST3K it is an extrodinarily funny take on a lot of overblown movies of the 80s and 90s.

Nicole, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Had you gotten that job I mentioned, David, you'd have been laid off about five months ago. So I did you a favor by being a hopeless slacker.

I think that my slight preference for Joel has something to do with a sense that the guy's a bit . . . off, where Mike is merely charming and funny.

Colin Meeder, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Merely? I wouldn't go that far, though he certainly projects more immediate affability. But every so often he comes out with something or takes on a role that makes you a bit nervous. Thus, when he wigged out about his old temp job in one episode, and in Time Chasers where he played his drunk angry brother or cousin, I forget which. Sure, it's a role, but he inhabited them rather well. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Sampo once remarked that in interview, one can sense that there's something very dark and private about Mike just percolating below the surface, and that's colored my impression of him ever since. One thing to remember: "I suffer from excruciating headaches that dozens of neurologists have tried unsuccessfully to treat. I think I might be possessed."

Michael Daddino, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I appreciate the fact that both Mike and Bridget are very private about their home life, but from the sound of it from some of Bridget's comments it's a very happy family, lots of singing and nuttiness and fun with their kids. A good reminder that the show was, after all, just a performance.

But yes, Mike has the angst in there somewhere. He just tempers it very beautifully -- thus his legendary turn as Morrissey.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 15 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Fair enough -- Mike probably *is* a churning cauldren of angst. But I think he (and his rage) are probrably more based in reality, where Joel strikes me as more otherworldly. Which I prefer (slightly, only ever so slightly) in humor.

Colin Meeder, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
Oh, about time for a revival (thanks in part to a recent link from Mike D.). Actually, there were a number of episodes I didn't have, mostly from the sixth season, but my Seattle trip has given me the chance to dub a lot of those from Brian's collection, yay me. Plus I finally have Daddy-O and Fugitive Alien, that took long enough!

To add to the book recommendations -- Mike N.'s general essay book Mind Over Matters is another fine read (the TV essay alone is some kinda genius, the mock 19th century novel even more so), while I very much liked Kevin Murphy's A Year at the Movies. Chris Piuma mentioned he felt it was fairly Joe Queenan-like and therefore not as distinct as it could be, but I think it was handled very well and worked as both microstudy of the moviegoing experience and general reflection. Certainly any of the ILF/film-going hounds on this board should consider reading/borrowing a copy, at least. Then there's Mike's new novel Death Rat, which I really need to order next month...

And praise to all the other castmembers doing things and the continual rolling out of more DVDs, though apparently Rhino says they've exhausted what they have the rights to right now and are looking into securing more, hopefully...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:08 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

...although a quick check of the SatNews link sez there's some sort of further DVD thing coming out later this year, hm! Good thing to know. Also, anyone in Minneapolis can go to a writing workshop taught by Mary Jo Pehl next month, which I think would be great (I'm an unabashed fan of hers but she seems to really grate for a lot of MSTies...).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

is this ever shown in the UK?

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:12 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

It may still be on the Sci-Fi Channel UK, but your best bet is to go on S0ulS33k and download entire episodes (which are about 700MB a pop, FWIW).

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:16 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I've never come across it here, Mark - but I have never had the Sci-Fi Channel.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:21 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

It was certainly on (late night) on the Sci-Fi channel a couple of years ago.

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:24 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Michael, I kiss you! I had no idea there were mst3k episodes on soulseek.

Nicole (Nicole), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:34 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah, that sounds great, rah Mike! Nicole, I might be able to help with dubbing too though I still need a second VCR, but also please drop me a line about another possible source...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

FYI, Best Brains Inc. has its own little shop with some non-Rhino treasures. I highly recommend "Mr. B's Lost Shorts" which has the hands-down best short, "Mr. B Natural" - you know, the one with the ridiculously perky, questionably-gendered Neverland shill for Conn brass instruments.

"Bad touch."
"Does this mean I like guys now?"
"I feel ill."
"Spanking time!"

http://www.mst3kinfo.com/satnews/catalog/Basement.htm
http://www.mst3kinfo.com/daddyo/images/mrb5.JPG

Ernest P. (ernestp), Sunday, 25 May 2003 15:58 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

It is a thing of beauty, that particular short. And chilling horror. Yeah, there are two short comps that are on DVD, but neither contain that gem. It's possible this thing Rhino is promising is some sort of basement-clearing compilation of all the various video oddities that have surfaced from Best Brains -- the second Poopie tape (the first is a DVD bonus with Manos, the scrapbook, more shorts like that, etc. But we'll see, I guess! (My other irrational hope is a full-on special edition of the movie...)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 May 2003 16:02 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Michael, I kiss you! I had no idea there were mst3k episodes on soulseek.

Keep in mind that the fidelity on these files is sometimes suprisingly good considering the size, and sometimes fairly bad, but even the worst files usually have more than enough detail for a person to get what's going on.

I'm hoping the DVD is a Santa Claus vs. The Martians/Santa Claus double fun pak. It is going to come out late 2003, after all.

Later I may want to say something about MST3K in light of Mark's venting on Zappa, but right now I want to go to Central Park and maybe the Malevich exhibit before it starts raining (again).

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 25 May 2003 16:33 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I SERIOUSLY NEED TO BUY SIDEHACKERS. I HAVE NOT SEEN IT SINCE HIGH SCHOOL

goooch....goooch....

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 25 May 2003 19:29 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

what's gypsy's deal

how come she's only ever in each thing like once

del griffith, Saturday, 22 April 2017 19:17 (two months ago) Permalink

and what's the basket thing she's always either picking up or dropping off

is it secret

del griffith, Saturday, 22 April 2017 19:18 (two months ago) Permalink

oh nevermind according to the Wikipedia, she's too busy/smart to care. also she's a notary, that's cool

del griffith, Saturday, 22 April 2017 19:26 (two months ago) Permalink

ending riff to Loves of Hercules had me in tears, omg

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 23 April 2017 04:47 (two months ago) Permalink

Cry Wilderness was very funny too. 2-for-2 so far! Are the skits shorter than they used to be? it seems like they come and go more quickly

Vinnie, Sunday, 23 April 2017 06:23 (two months ago) Permalink

yeah they are much more compact

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 23 April 2017 06:35 (two months ago) Permalink

Wizards of the Lost Kingdom is bananas

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 23 April 2017 08:20 (two months ago) Permalink

Starcrash is besting me. I have no idea what is happening in that movie. Watched the first half a second time, still no idea.

Its riff frequency is a lot better though. They even held back when David Hasselhoff was shouting "Stella!"

Einstein, Kazanga, Sitar (abanana), Sunday, 23 April 2017 11:39 (two months ago) Permalink

Wizards of the Lost Kingdom II - less pants, not *as* bananas, 100% more David Carradine

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 23 April 2017 21:51 (two months ago) Permalink

The Land That Time Forgot: based on a Burroughs story, it starts off well, then gets sidetracked by its makeup and hand puppets -- pretty good hand puppets, mind, but not good enough to come across as full-sized dinosaurs. Lots of riffs on bland, Shatner-looking leading man Doug McClure, star of long-running but forgotten TV oater "The Virginian". Many references to Simpsons character Troy McClure, and this season loves its Simpsons references. Also Game of Thrones, which gets three different riffs in this episode alone.

The Loves of Hercules: my favorite so far. One of those bad movies I love that combines pleasurably incompetent parts with painfully boring parts. It's great how they forgot how to shoot a movie during the Hydra fight. The simple plot means I don't need to expend brain energy to follow both the movie and the riffs. And the riffs definitely help getting through those boring parts. I laughed a lot.

Einstein, Kazanga, Sitar (abanana), Wednesday, 26 April 2017 14:37 (two months ago) Permalink

'The Land That Time Forgot' felt like an odd inclusion to me - it's a classic! I must have seen that once a year since I was a kid. It's like putting 'Journey to the Centre of the Earth', or 'Jason and the Argonauts' on there.

Eallach mhór an duine leisg (dowd), Wednesday, 26 April 2017 16:09 (two months ago) Permalink

Lmk when y'all finish this off

ein Sexmonster (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 2 May 2017 13:10 (one month ago) Permalink

Honestly I haven't had time to go back beyond that preview showing of the first one. (Vacation and work and etc. will do that to you.) But the fact I'm in no rush miiiight say something about how I'm regarding the rest of this.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 2 May 2017 13:15 (one month ago) Permalink

It's also like 20 hours worth of TV

ein Sexmonster (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 2 May 2017 13:18 (one month ago) Permalink

First one didn't grab me... Was too overwhelming with the eager preloaded riffs jammed in there.

However I was in Antigua this past weekend howling on the beach while watching Aliens From L.A. on my ipad! That was nice.

Evan, Tuesday, 2 May 2017 13:21 (one month ago) Permalink

Have got up to Land That Time Forgot, show feels like it has hit its stride now. Reboot has turned out much better than I was expecting tbh, nothing amazing but watchable, like average episodes from late seasons MST3K. And my god Starcrash is an amazingly bad movie.

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Tuesday, 2 May 2017 13:27 (one month ago) Permalink

I've been enjoying it immensely, but making my way through it slowly rather than bingeing. I'm up to Land That Time Forgot as well, but I fell asleep watching it last night.

how's life, Tuesday, 2 May 2017 13:31 (one month ago) Permalink

Yeah, "like average episodes from late seasons MST3K" sums up my response so far, but we're only partway through Time Travelers because finding time for these is tough. Still, that's a considerably higher level of quality than I feared at the outset. The biggest problems have already been nailed down here - a kind of rapid 'bunching' of riffs that feels a bit like teenage riffers afraid of silence and just blurting out anything that the words spoken onscreen vaguely reminds me of. I believe those who suggest that this gets smoothed out a bit as things go on. Some of the riffs are really good, so at least it's not just a cavalcade of groaners and awkward references.

Still wish the voices of the characters were a little more distinct (both sonically and personality-wise) and especially that the puppeteering was a little less subtle. Sometimes you can't even see a mouth move, which makes it that much harder to link up Voice X with Servo vs. Jonah. It's like the inverse of stage actors learning they have to dial it down for the movies. This too I imagine they could get better at as we go.

Gotta say though that just getting things like "Cry Wilderness" screened in front of me is kinda worth it. What in the everloving hell, such an odd execution of what would appear to be a kids' movie, until it's not, plus you get that Return to Oz vibe where the adults insisting that the kid is mentally ill and making it all up seem to be the most believable sources, so that at the end when they change their tune you assume that behind the next dissolve you'll see the kid in a rubber room imagining that too. Obviously with the Internet at large, awareness of Bad Movies is considerably broader, but something MST did, and can still do, is unearth real oddities and sort of grant them canonical status as bad movies that people know. Manos and the Coleman Francis trilogy are probably the best-known cases of this but basically every ep they did either elevated something from totally unknown, or cemented the status of things that had already been appearing in "the hundred worst movies ever!" books. Feels like the new season(s) can totally carry on that role whatever their other qualities.

✓ (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 2 May 2017 15:02 (one month ago) Permalink

I kind of wish there were a few more obscurities like Cry Wilderness in there. Back in February, I came across a list of the movies that were going to be used for this season, and at the time Cry Wilderness was the only film with less than 100 votes on IMDB (44 votes with a rating of 5.4. It has now 528 with a rating of 2.2), whereas quite a few of the other film had closer to a thousand. And some films like Repitilicus and especially Starcrash were already quite well known among bad movie buffs.

MarkoP, Tuesday, 2 May 2017 15:23 (one month ago) Permalink

We watched "Avalanche" the other night and I admit I laughed until I cried over "This is the third time I've found you under a log this week, it's getting weird."

Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Tuesday, 2 May 2017 15:29 (one month ago) Permalink

Yeah, I've seen at least half of Starcrash before, and had certainly heard of Reptilicus and Avalanche. But, y'know, it's not like the original show 'discovered' every one of its flicks, as I was suggesting with reference to the "worst movies ever books." Certainly it's going to be harder in 2017 to surprise anybody, whereas in 1992 even a "bad movie buff" would really have to be devoting a lot of hobby time to tracking stuff down (conventions, movie guides, pen pal contact with cult collectors maybe). So even the major studio releases that take up a huge part of the MST episode list and lent it so much of its 50s texture - all those Universal and Warner B-pictures, or even the Corman fare which saw wide drive-in release in its original run - wouldn't all be things a buff had seen, necessarily.

✓ (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 2 May 2017 15:33 (one month ago) Permalink

this was pretty good but i've only seen the first ep and Starcrash. as is, i still need to finish watching the Mike era of the original show so ill be putting the new eps on hold til then.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 2 May 2017 16:16 (one month ago) Permalink

The final Christmas episode is pretty good.
The Christmas That Almost Wasn't is a super-weird movie

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 2 May 2017 16:19 (one month ago) Permalink

Oh and Yongary is great, well worth a watch

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 2 May 2017 16:20 (one month ago) Permalink

Here's an unexpected bit of news -- Shout Factory's releasing a compilation of Cinematic Titanic stuff. Which is great, since I only ever got around to a couple of these:

https://www.shoutfactory.com/film/film-comedy/cinematic-titanic-the-complete-collection

Ned Raggett, Friday, 5 May 2017 19:25 (one month ago) Permalink

(As was noted over on mst3kinfo.com, normally by now we'd be hearing word of the next formal DVD set -- I suspect this is going to be something of a stopgap as they try and finish off securing the remaining batch of rights.)

Ned Raggett, Friday, 5 May 2017 19:26 (one month ago) Permalink

Have fun, I guess:

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MYSTERY SCIENCE THEATER 3000 LIVE TOUR
FIRST EVER LIVE TOUR KICKS OFF JULY 6TH IN BOSTON, MA
TICKETS ON SALE EVERYWHERE FRIDAY, MAY 19 AT NOON LOCAL TIME

[May 15, 2017, New York, NY] – For the first time ever, join Joel Hodgson, creator of the critically acclaimed “Mystery Science Theater 3000” TV show and its new host Jonah Heston (Jonah Ray) as they bring the first live touring production of “MST3K” to a city near you on the “Watch Out for Snakes!” Tour.

Appearing with Joel and Jonah live on stage will be robot companions Crow (Hampton Yount), Tom Servo and Gypsy, along with Synthia (Rebecca Hanson) and her Bonehead henchmen. Of course, it wouldn’t be “MST3K” without the ever-present surveillance of the Mads, Kinga Forrester (Felicia Day) and TV’s Son of TV’s Frank (Patton Oswalt), checking up on their unwilling test subjects via a video screen.

The tour consists of two separate, completely unique shows, each with its own admission. Fans wanting the complete tour experience should purchase two tickets, one for each show. Each event will include all the things expected from an “MST3K” experience: a cheesy B-movie, hilarious riffing, wisecracking robots, silly sketches, plus – for the first time – audience participation! Show # 1 is the MST3K favorite “Eegah,” featuring all-new riffs and sketches. Show # 2 is a “Secret Surprise Film!” It’s a fun, sci-fi thriller never before featured on “MST3K” and it will be performed only in select cities.

Following its record-breaking #BringBackMST3K Kickstarter campaign, the new season of the show launched on April 14, 2017, exclusively on Netflix. The two live shows are written by the cast and writers of the new Netflix Original Series, which has earned a critics’ rating of 100% Fresh on Rotten Tomatoes.. The New York Times hails, “At last, a revival of something actually worth reviving… a different cast but the same outlook and style — and mercifully, the same reliable, giddy humor.” “MST3K is just as hilarious as ever in rebooted form, turning its bemused eye on old, schlocky fare for some good, old-fashioned riffing,” raves Vanity Fair. And Nerdist says “The references are updated, the sets are snazzier, but the heart and soul of MST3K certainly remains intact.”

Tickets for “MST3K” “Watch Out for Snakes!” North American tour dates will go on sale to the public Friday, May 19 at noon local time via AXS.com and the venue box office. Please note where there are multiple performances in a single market, each event is ticketed SEPARATELY.

Mystery Science Theater 3000 “Watch Out For Snakes!” Tour 2017

July 6 Boston, MA Shubert Theatre 7 PM Eegah
July 7 Philadelphia, PA Keswick Theatre 7 PM Eegah
Keswick Theatre 10 PM Secret Surprise Film!
July 8 New York, NY PlayStation Theater 6 PM Eegah
PlayStation Theater 9:30 PM Secret Surprise Film!
July 9 Washington, DC Lincoln Theatre 6 PM Eegah
Lincoln Theatre 9 PM Secret Surprise Film!
July 12 Columbus, OH Speaker Jo Ann Davidson Theatre 8 PM Eegah
July 13 St. Louis, MO Touhill Performing Arts Center 8 PM Eegah
July 14 Royal Oak, MI Royal Oak Music Theatre 7 PM Eegah
Royal Oak Music Theatre 10 PM Secret Surprise Film!
July 15 Milwaukee, WI Pabst Theater 7 PM Eegah
Pabst Theater 10 PM Secret Surprise Film!
July 16 Chicago, IL The Vic 5 PM Eegah
The Vic 8 PM Secret Surprise Film!
July 18 Denver, CO Paramount Theatre 8 PM Eegah
July 20 Phoenix, AZ Orpheum Theatre 8 PM Eegah
July 21 San Diego, CA Balboa Theatre 7 PM Eegah
July 22 San Diego, CA Balboa Theatre 7 PM Secret Surprise Film!
July 23 Los Angeles, CA The Theatre at Ace Hotel 5 PM Eegah
The Theatre at Ace Hotel 8 PM Secret Surprise Film!
July 26 San Francisco, CA The Warfield 8 PM Eegah
July 27 San Francisco, CA The Warfield 8 PM Secret Surprise Film!
July 28 Portland, OR Arlene Schnitzer Concert Hall 8 PM Eegah
July 29 Seattle, WA Moore Theatre 7 PM Eegah
Moore Theatre 10 PM Secret Surprise Film!
July 30 Vancouver, BC The Orpheum 7 PM Eegah
August 1 Salt Lake City, UT Kingsbury Hall 8 PM Eegah
August 3 Kansas City, MO Arvest Bank Theatre at The Midland 8 PM Eegah
August 4 Minneapolis, MN State Theatre 7 PM Eegah
State Theatre 10 PM Secret Surprise Film!
August 6 Green Bay, WI Weidner Center for the Performing Arts 7 PM Eegah
August 8 Cleveland, OH Ohio Theatre 8 PM Eegah
August 9 Baltimore, MD The Modell Lyric 8 PM Eegah
August 10 Richmond, VA Dominion Arts Center 8 PM Secret Surprise Film!
August 11 Nashville, TN James K. Polk Theater 7 PM Eegah
James K. Polk Theater 10 PM Secret Surprise Film!
August 12 Atlanta, GA Atlanta Symphony Hall 7 PM Eegah
Atlanta Symphony Hall 10 PM Secret Surprise Film!

Ned Raggett, Monday, 15 May 2017 17:06 (one month ago) Permalink

Joel is interviewed on today's WTF. It's cool, though there's not a ton of MST3K stuff as Maron doesn't seem to have ever watched the show.

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Monday, 15 May 2017 17:07 (one month ago) Permalink

That's...rather weird.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 15 May 2017 17:08 (one month ago) Permalink

Hmm

how's life, Monday, 15 May 2017 17:08 (one month ago) Permalink

That's different.

insidious assymetrical weapons (Eric H.), Monday, 15 May 2017 17:09 (one month ago) Permalink

xpost Maron had a show on Comedy Central at the same time, so there was probably some jealousy.

I do like Joel's idea that Comedy Central had the misunderstanding that he and his robot puppets were just going to be introducing comedy clips, Short Attention Span Theater style.

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Monday, 15 May 2017 17:11 (one month ago) Permalink

watched Wizards of the Lost Kingdom I and II episodes yesterday and they were both exquisitely terrible movies, each with their own unique brand of unappealing adolescent lead character. It's making me laugh, doesn't feel like "zombie MST3K" for the most part, I wish them many more seasons of success.

softie (silby), Monday, 15 May 2017 17:54 (one month ago) Permalink

I finished the season. The overload of these riffs comes back in the final episodes, or maybe I just noticed it more because I watched some of the old Gamera episodes at the same time. The focus is definitely on the riffs instead of the movies. Lots of the new show feels like a Rorschach test of images and the test subjects shouting out things that they bring to mind as 'riffs'. Dr. M OTM on it feeling like the later seasons but without the highlights.

I noticed that Jonah does some riffs as exclamations done in a snarky "I'm telling a joke" voice. Don't force it, dude.

What I recommend watching, if you don't watch the whole thing:
- Reptilicus
- Cry Wilderness, up to the first skit. The rest of the movie gets derailed and they hadn't figured out how to deal with that at this point.
- Beast of Hollow Mountain, good riffs and one Birdemic-like moment
- The Land That Time Forgot
- The Loves of Hercules
- Yongary

Starcrash is probably better without the nonstop riffs over it.
The Wizards movies are amazing as bad movies and endurance tests, but the riffs are some of the worst.

Einstein, Kazanga, Sitar (abanana), Thursday, 18 May 2017 19:01 (one month ago) Permalink

Loved the old seasons as a kid and still enjoy them now. Got through an episode and a half of this and really hated it. MST3K for the Nerdist era; no thanks. Really put into perspective all over again what talented voice actors the previous casts were as well.

Chris L, Thursday, 18 May 2017 19:11 (one month ago) Permalink

last night i watched the second episode of the new series. very nice to see the Mike-era mads drop by! the riffs are pretty good too, helps that "Cry Wilderness" is a hilariously bad movie. that bigfoot suit is so silly.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 20 May 2017 13:12 (one month ago) Permalink

i've been watching rifftrax on amazon. it's good.

dynamicinterface, Saturday, 20 May 2017 13:52 (one month ago) Permalink

that bigfoot suit is so silly

Like in that Simpsons episode, I kept expecting to see the guy's watch

Vinnie, Saturday, 20 May 2017 15:45 (one month ago) Permalink

I was more blown away by the weird attempt to combine Bigfoot with the mythos of Santa Claus, E.T. and, like, Calvin & Hobbes or something.

﴿→ ☺ (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 20 May 2017 16:03 (one month ago) Permalink

cinematography was pretty cool in parts. there was some real cinematic lighting in the forest, one shot you could tell was using red and green lights.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 20 May 2017 17:42 (one month ago) Permalink

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glowing magic crystal was cool

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 20 May 2017 17:47 (one month ago) Permalink

yeah the slightly above-average production value for what seemed like a canadian made-for-TV project or student film reminded me very much of final sacrifice.

﴿→ ☺ (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 20 May 2017 18:13 (one month ago) Permalink

I just watched Cry Wilderness, which I thought was a considerable improvement on Reptilicus. The riffing seemed more comfortable, and had a higher hit-to-miss ratio, plus the movie is so consistently and delightfully WTF that I was sort of carried along by it even when the jokes lagged.

some sad trombone Twilight Zone shit (cryptosicko), Saturday, 27 May 2017 21:03 (one month ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

I'm up through Starcrash now. Yeah, agree with abanana that that movie might be funnier without the riffs. There were some scenes of what looked like hilariously terrible acting that got talked or sang over, and the riffs didn't hit the mark a lot, for what was an easy target

Beast of Hollow Mountain might have been my favorite this season so far though. Not an obvious choice for them to do, but they had a good time with it. I honestly thought the titular Beast was referring to the villain, until near the end... nope, real Beast. Loved the constant riffing about the hero's limited Spanish

Vinnie, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 04:36 (six days ago) Permalink

They just started a 38 episode marathon on Twitch, like turkey day came early
http://www.twitch.tv/shoutfactorytv

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Monday, 26 June 2017 18:47 (yesterday) Permalink


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