I'll Make You Love Me: The Madonna "True Blue" Poll

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open your heart. it just makes you feel like you can do anything

yes, absolutely spot on!!!

xp, this is a very solid album

winstonian (winston), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 06:31 (fifteen years ago) link

one of wee winston's first cassette purchases

winstonian (winston), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 06:31 (fifteen years ago) link

i'm gonna vote with geir. even at the time i felt like "true blue" got overlooked because all anyone wanted to talk about was "papa don't preach." and then the "live to tell" video was everywhere all the time. (song makes me think of chris penn now, which makes it sad.) but "true blue" nailed that new-wave-motown vibe as well as anyone did in the '80s.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 06:41 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah, better than most, even, i'd say!

winstonian (winston), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 07:15 (fifteen years ago) link

i'm gonna vote with geir.

You didn't if you went for "True Blue". ;)

Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 4 February 2009 03:49 (fifteen years ago) link

oh yeah. well, i voted with the geir of 1986. old-school geir.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 4 February 2009 04:40 (fifteen years ago) link

Title cut's my least-favourite, too - sick to fucking death of that chord change...

It lost my vote to "West End Girls" in the 1986-#1's poll, so I'll give it the consolation prize here and go with "Live To Tell".

Myonga Vön Bontee, Wednesday, 4 February 2009 08:15 (fifteen years ago) link

live to tell is really quite moving. or at least definitely the closest i've ever come to being moved by madonna. so that one

Charlie Howard, Wednesday, 4 February 2009 12:42 (fifteen years ago) link

ya, that one

Surmounter, Wednesday, 4 February 2009 14:51 (fifteen years ago) link

live to tell is the only song on this album I like

akm, Wednesday, 4 February 2009 15:18 (fifteen years ago) link

waht

I mean, I'll give you "Jimmy Jimmy" and "La Isla Bonita", but "Open Your Heart"? "White Heat"? "Where's The Party"? "Papa Don't Preach"?

nosotros niggamos (HI DERE), Wednesday, 4 February 2009 15:20 (fifteen years ago) link

Anyone who dislikes or dismisses "Open Your Heart" needs medication and white screens.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 4 February 2009 15:21 (fifteen years ago) link

yes it's pretty undeniable

Surmounter, Wednesday, 4 February 2009 15:29 (fifteen years ago) link

"Open Your Heart" may likely feature the best band performance on any of her albums. It just sounds so ... live. The drums are incredible and actually have some character, which is unusual for such a huge '80s uber-production.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 4 February 2009 15:48 (fifteen years ago) link

otm

Surmounter, Wednesday, 4 February 2009 15:51 (fifteen years ago) link

La Isla Bonita. May well be my favourite song of hers.

DavidM, Wednesday, 4 February 2009 15:51 (fifteen years ago) link

it's got horns, xp

double bird strike (gabbneb), Wednesday, 4 February 2009 15:52 (fifteen years ago) link

"Open Your Heart" for me, with "True Blue" pretty close behind.

With such joyful, bouncy pop on the menu I just don't have the patience for the faux-anguish of "Papa Don't Preach," let alone the slow and (to me) comparatively dull "Live to Tell."

Ye Mad Puffin, Wednesday, 4 February 2009 16:59 (fifteen years ago) link

Live to Tell is all about texture and flow, and her damn voice

Surmounter, Wednesday, 4 February 2009 17:08 (fifteen years ago) link

if you're in the right (wrong) mood, it can absolutely melt you.

Surmounter, Wednesday, 4 February 2009 17:08 (fifteen years ago) link

This album is pretty much flawless.

Live from the Witch Trials (SeekAltRoute), Thursday, 5 February 2009 03:21 (fifteen years ago) link

i don't know, I like plasticy early 80's madonna more than this album which just sounds like bad reverbed drum sounds and mid-80's schlock and seriousness.

akm, Thursday, 5 February 2009 06:34 (fifteen years ago) link

(which, admittedly, live to tell is the epitome of, but it does such a good job of it the rest of the album seems superfluous and just doesn't measure up)

akm, Thursday, 5 February 2009 06:35 (fifteen years ago) link

i don't know, I like plasticy early 80's madonna more than this album which just sounds like bad reverbed drum sounds and mid-80's schlock and seriousness.

Although I do like "True Blue" to some extent, I feel the main problem about it is that it sorts of tries to be both of those incarnations, and doesn't really succeed at either. "Like a Prayer", on the other hand, was a fantastic album and her best ever, because it concentrated on that "seriousness" and was a great melodic pop album without, with the exception of a couple of the lesser tracks, ever trying to be "dance".

And, I think, part of the problem here is Pat Leonard. Patrick Leonard is a fantastic songwriter and pop/ballad producer, but he is really sucky at dance stuff. Madonna has never had better dance producers than Jellybean and Reggie Lucas, at least not until her work with William Orbit. Pat Leonard did a really great job at the pop stuff, but never quite managed the dance tracks.

Geir Hongro, Thursday, 5 February 2009 12:36 (fifteen years ago) link

Which may also be my problem with "Open Your Heart". Surely it's a great song, and I like it and all. But it probably would have worked better with somebody else than Patrick Leonard producing it.

Geir Hongro, Thursday, 5 February 2009 12:36 (fifteen years ago) link

Madonna has never had better dance producers than Jellybean and Reggie Lucas, at least not until her work with William Orbit.

Ahem, Shep Pettibone *cough*

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 5 February 2009 12:51 (fifteen years ago) link

Never liked what he did with her. Unmelodic and boring.

Geir Hongro, Thursday, 5 February 2009 14:26 (fifteen years ago) link

Plus he represented the typical late 80s/early 90s sound way too much.

Geir Hongro, Thursday, 5 February 2009 14:26 (fifteen years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Sunday, 15 February 2009 00:01 (fifteen years ago) link

When's the EROTICA poll?

Vote "Papa Don't Preach" here because I sort of have a thing for voting for obvious third-placers.

Nurse Detrius (Eric H.), Sunday, 15 February 2009 02:50 (fifteen years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Monday, 16 February 2009 00:01 (fifteen years ago) link

Wow! Every song!

The Screaming Lobster of Challops (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 16 February 2009 00:11 (fifteen years ago) link

Vote "Papa Don't Preach" here because I sort of have a thing for voting for obvious third-placers.

― Nurse Detrius (Eric H.), Sunday, February 15, 2009 2:50 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark

lol

half troll half biscuit (The Brainwasher), Monday, 16 February 2009 00:12 (fifteen years ago) link

Can I confess I voted for Jimmy Jimmy because of the silly dance my sister and her friend made up to it?

Madchen, Tuesday, 17 February 2009 14:52 (fifteen years ago) link

aw cuet

Lots of praying with no breakfast! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 17 February 2009 15:08 (fifteen years ago) link

What can I say? I know my history.

Nurse Detrius (Eric H.), Tuesday, 17 February 2009 15:09 (fifteen years ago) link

"Live to Tell" woulda been my vote.

I associate "Isla" w/ the horrible office job I had the summer it was a hit.

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 17 February 2009 15:21 (fifteen years ago) link

two years pass...

haha so when I lauded the video for "True Blue" in this thread, I didn't realize that she'd made one with her in it (which is just ok). I meant the following one, which evidently was the winner of an MTV contest:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZMkrGPkI8M

Euler, Sunday, 19 June 2011 20:55 (twelve years ago) link

Come on baby, MAKE MY DAY

PΓ☼LΞG☼ (prolego), Sunday, 19 June 2011 21:22 (twelve years ago) link

open your heart. it just makes you feel like you can do anything

― lex pretend, Monday, February 2, 2009 7:07 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark

^^

Heady Snobbin (Pillbox), Sunday, 19 June 2011 21:37 (twelve years ago) link

four years pass...

THIS IS A BUST

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 22 August 2015 17:26 (eight years ago) link

two years pass...

"Open Your Heart" is the greatest song in the history of the universe

droit au butt (Euler), Saturday, 17 February 2018 19:11 (six years ago) link

young girls with eyes like potatoes

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 17 February 2018 19:13 (six years ago) link

HEY THAT SONG IS GREAT TOO

droit au butt (Euler), Saturday, 17 February 2018 19:13 (six years ago) link

AND SO ARE POTATOES

droit au butt (Euler), Saturday, 17 February 2018 19:14 (six years ago) link

i had la isla bonita in my head & then i saw this thread revive it was kismet

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 17 February 2018 19:24 (six years ago) link

My wife says she and her friends used to replace "THIS IS A BUST!" with "THIS IS MY BUST!"

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 17 February 2018 19:43 (six years ago) link

Wait ... “Open Your Heart” didn’t win this poll?!

"Minneapolis" (barf) (Eric H.), Saturday, 17 February 2018 19:58 (six years ago) link

No, instead it is one of the greatest songs ever which won, a song which BY COINCIDENCE (really) I talked about in a podcast that went up yesterday

https://www.megaphonic.fm/mixtape/6

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 17 February 2018 20:00 (six years ago) link

If anyone has not seen "At Close Range," you should, immediately, depressing though the movie may be. That song practically has a co-starring role.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 17 February 2018 20:07 (six years ago) link

"Open Your Heart" is the greatest song in the history of the universe
― droit au butt (Euler), Saturday, February 17, 2018 2:11 PM (eight hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This was my conviction for the longest time, but I have failed to connect with it in recent years it's weird

trife's rich padgett (rip van wanko), Sunday, 18 February 2018 03:31 (six years ago) link

Thanks for linking "A Different Corner" and "Live to Tell," Ned.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 18 February 2018 04:59 (six years ago) link

This was my conviction for the longest time, but I have failed to connect with it in recent years it's weird

Opposite for me. I always considered it a good single, but in recent years it's become untouchable brilliance.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 18 February 2018 07:15 (six years ago) link

eight months pass...

It's far from my favourite thing on here, but the "why oh why" hook in 'Jimmy Jimmy' is pretty neat! Also, 'Where's the Party?' is a jam.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 25 October 2018 19:21 (five years ago) link

the jimmy jimmy “why oh why” hook is pure bliss. peak girl-group madonna.

everything written about “open your heart” in this thread is otm, except for the fact that it didn’t win, which is not otm.

fact checking cuz, Friday, 26 October 2018 21:02 (five years ago) link

four years pass...

"Open Your Heart" man

hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 October 2023 19:59 (six months ago) link

open your heart. it just makes you feel like you can do _anything_


So otm

brimstead, Thursday, 19 October 2023 20:22 (six months ago) link

Listen to how Madonna rewrote this damn thing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbpqItgBGdo

hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 October 2023 21:16 (six months ago) link

“I’ve had to work much harder than this for something I want, don’t try to resist me” is one of the all time great pop lyrics - especially in the context of a song that works pretty damn hard.

Tim F, Thursday, 19 October 2023 21:43 (six months ago) link

in 5th grade (1986, the year of our lord madonna) i let myself get talked out of performing a dance to “open your heart” for a school concert & i regret it to this day

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 20 October 2023 03:44 (six months ago) link

:(

hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 20 October 2023 11:36 (six months ago) link

this is my favorite thread revival in years.

fact checking cuz, Saturday, 21 October 2023 16:09 (six months ago) link

This album is awesome, and 14 years later the poll results stand.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 21 October 2023 17:40 (six months ago) link

Incredible mix, one of the best extended 12"s of an 80s tune

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvvnGsqtZA4

piscesx, Saturday, 21 October 2023 20:58 (six months ago) link

otm`

hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 21 October 2023 21:03 (six months ago) link

I have the clearest memory of listening to this on my Walkman on a trip with my fam. Jimmy Jimmy was my fave and I was Madonna that year for Halloween lol

Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Saturday, 21 October 2023 21:16 (six months ago) link

why
oh why
oh why
oh why

hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 21 October 2023 21:19 (six months ago) link

Oh why
Oh why
Oh why

Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Saturday, 21 October 2023 21:20 (six months ago) link

it's so underrated

Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Saturday, 21 October 2023 21:21 (six months ago) link

Personally I would have added a wig but my mom made me the lace dress by hand nd drew on my mole.

https://i.ibb.co/WDt7BWH/Screenshot-20231021-222257.png
post a pic

Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Saturday, 21 October 2023 21:24 (six months ago) link

fab u lous

i remember going over to my friend’s house when I was 10 - her older cousin Mandy from the city was visiting
Mandy answered the door at like noon on a Sunday in full Madonna. Like, FULL madge:
arms full of silver & rubber bracelets
massive earings, loads of necklaces & crosses
hair scarf
jacket over layered tank tops & tube skirt electric blue lycra leggings
studded high heeled ankled boots
THE. WORKS
she chewed gum & smelled like 10 cans of hairspray & i didn’t know whether to fall to thr ground or pee or both
i was so in awe

and for like 2 years that was basically how she dressed

her name was Mandy & she is still like a god to

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 21 October 2023 22:15 (six months ago) link

me

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 21 October 2023 22:16 (six months ago) link

I think this is a really uneven album - half of it's great, half of it not-so-good - but worth owning just for the cover, probably my favorite portrait of Madonna.

birdistheword, Saturday, 21 October 2023 23:09 (six months ago) link

I guess that's fair, tbh. But the best songs are so good the rest are almost like bonus tracks.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 21 October 2023 23:12 (six months ago) link

True. This is why she's really a singles artist to me, which is not a bad thing to be at all, it's just how she performs best as a recording artist.

Also, another thing about the cover: I've never seen an original pressing unopened, but IIRC it was packaged in blue plastic wrap with the title adhered to it as a sticker, and when you removed it, you're left with a textless gatefold portrait. I didn't grow up with vinyl, but when your albums typically have that kind of thoughtful design, I can see the appeal from a non-audiophile perspective.

birdistheword, Saturday, 21 October 2023 23:16 (six months ago) link

the album cover is a fabulous photo

brimstead, Sunday, 22 October 2023 00:01 (six months ago) link

My vinyl copy bought at the time with my birthday money isn’t a gatefold, but it was perhaps different in the UK.

Madchen, Sunday, 22 October 2023 06:03 (six months ago) link


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