"Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness" by the Smashing Pumpkins

Bullet With Butterfly Wings is great imo. The whinier the better.

I even like 'Take Me Down'. Sorry, folks!

33 > tonight > zero > 1979 > bullet

this is also probably my ranking of the individual discs in the aeroplane flies high

'Muzzle' definitely deserved to be a single, in my humble opinion.

If the world is a vampire, the narrator in Neil Young's "Vampire Blues" must be its maker. Unless the world already was a vampire in Neil Young's song. I do not know the True Blood rules for that scenario.

tonight > 1979 > bullet > zero > 33

zero > 1979 > bullet > tonight > 33 (which is still great obv)

1979 > 33 > zero. My preferences are mathematically accurate

I can think of a handful of songs that should've been kicked off of the Mellon Collie tracklist to make room for some of the b-sides instead like Pennies or Set the Ray to Jerry.

muzzle on conan early 97 is oen of my favorite band on tv performances of all time

http://vimeo.com/45282876

AND IN THE EYES OF THE JACKAL I SAY KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-BOOM!

lol @ andy richter, melissa joan hart and james iha chillin on the couch together

compared to other horse races like "is it gonna be Mitt/The Artist? is it? it might not be! ...yep, it is" this stuff is an unpredictable thrill ride

ugh wrong thread sorry

zero > 1979 > bullet > tonight > 33 (which is still great obv)

― crüt, Tuesday, November 27, 2012 8:14 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^ gets it

"zero" feels so rigid and restrained compared to their other heavy songs

bullet is so much fun. i remember lovin that when i was about 14.

I love 'Zero' for its compactness.

Polio, do you hate 'Cherub Rock'?

It's okay, definitely would be on a compilation I'd make of SP, but in my view, much of SP's rawk repertoire is lazy and forgettable. There are exceptions (ironically, "Quiet" is one of them), but generally, I prefer their ponderous songs like "Mayonnaise", "33", and "1979."

^

Good SP rockers: Love, Bullet, Where Boys Fear, Tales Of A Scorched Earth... But I find a lot of the rockers on Siamese to be pretty drudgeful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XggH5-vLlUQ

Fantastic Four!
Don't need no more! (that's ungrammatical)

oops wrong thread

but i do think corgan's work on the fantastic four theme song gives the lie to the idea that the uptempo SP work is somehow drudgeful

haha this is a wrong-thread magnet this morning

I'd cut out Love and replace w/ Cherry, altho that song is Corgan-admittedly underdeveloped and 'prob should've been on the album.'

13-year-old me LOVED X.Y.U.

i like the flangey effects on Love

was that song actually about Courtney Love?

smashing pumpkins tracks poll might be fun at some point, lord knows they have enough songs to make it interesting

Love, X.Y.U., Luna, Silverfuck, and Fuck You are all about Courtney Love

It amazes me how Courtney Love managed to get through so many prominent figures in "alternative rock"... I mean, you're in a successful band, you probably have chicks throwing themselves at you every night, and you choose to go with Courtney Love? Christ, I wouldn't even touch her with the cock of my worst enemy!

yeah some people just have no class huh

I remember a time in my uni days when getting hold of another couple of Pumpkins B-sides was a real thrill--some of their best stuff. Haven't listened to anything they've done from Zwan on, though.

i burned out on this album, maybe i should revisit it now. loved this record, at the time, but always felt that two disc was too much by the Smashing Pumpkins at one time.

I remember a time in my uni days when getting hold of another couple of Pumpkins B-sides was a real thrill--some of their best stuff. Haven't listened to anything they've done from Zwan on, though.

― ornamental cabbage (James Morrison), Thursday, November 29, 2012 2:17 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I've listened to both Zeitgeist and Oceania in full a couple of times each when they came out, but neither of them really stuck with me and I haven't felt like listening to either album since. Bit of a shame really, because I played the hell out of each of the initial run of Pumpkins records... even MACHINA/The Machines Of God which I still feel has some great songs on it, even if it is a bit overdone.

even MACHINA/The Machines Of God which I still feel has some great songs on it, even if it is a bit overdone.

my thoughts exactly (specifically glass and the ghost children, wound, imploding voice, everlasting gaze, with every light, try, i of the mourning), can't wait to hear the resequenced reissue with combined MACHINA 1 & 2 tracklist and possible remix of the whole thing.

oh is that the plan for those? i would be curious at a chance to hear that stuff in a new light

It amazes me how Courtney Love managed to get through so many prominent figures in "alternative rock"... I mean, you're in a successful band, you probably have chicks throwing themselves at you every night, and you choose to go with Courtney Love? Christ, I wouldn't even touch her with the cock of my worst enemy!

yeah those poor defenseless guys at the mercy of Courtney Love, putting bunnies in microwaves.

xpost:

Is Corgan actually going through with that? I mean, I've heard talk about him wanting to revisit the project and 'do it properly', but do you think that'll actually happen? I hope so, I'd be very interested in hearing what would come out of it...

The MACHINA/The Machines Of God tracks you've listed are mostly the ones I'm particularly fond of - especially 'Wound', 'With Every Light' and 'Glass And The Ghost Children'. I'd definitely add 'Stand Inside Your Love' and 'Age Of Innocence' to the list too.

The three on there that I'm the coldest on would have to be 'Heavy Metal Machine' (I understand it's meant to be colossally heavy, but I just don't think it's much of a song), 'The Crying Tree Of Mercury' (meh), and 'Blue Skies Bring Tears'.

this is the only place i've seen muzzle love. song rules

this is the only place i've seen muzzle love. song rules

― fauxmarc, Thursday, November 29, 2012 2:55 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Really? I've always found it to be one of the more favoured non-single tracks from Mellon Collie whenever the album has been discussed elsewhere?

i always think that but then there are so many lists of the best SP songs where it's not even mentioned and i'm like what the hell

how do we feel about "Bodies"? That's one that'll just jump in my head.

(just the chorus; I don't remember the rest)

Stepping back a bit:

Today I listened to an Arising! tour bootleg which previewed a lot of scattered Machina tracks from both albums, reminding me why I liked that final active year of the actual band. It just felt like a good extended conclusion, pureeing their entire past and going out with a slew of new songs that just kept coming from all over the place, in combination with the various bootlegs Billy more or less officially sanctioned via net distribution. A lot of the best songs seemed very elegiac, a knowing look back and wrap up, and I still wish D'arcy had been able to hang around that one year just for the full lineup to see it all out. Probably one big reason why the 'reunion' pissed me off when it happened!

"Bodies" is pretty cool

Yeah, I agree Ned - in hindsight when the band finished the first time around it would have ended on a pretty much near-perfect note. I feel it was probably the right time for them to do so, and I thought 'Untitled' (with its look back to a more Siamese Dream-like sound) was a great song to go out with. Also agree about the whole D'arcy thing, it would have been nice for them to finish up with the original four.

A friend of mine saw them on the Sacred And Profane tour and had nothing but good words to say about the gig, and if I recall, he wasn't particularly fond of MACHINA/The Machines Of God, so they were clearly still kicking all kinds of ass live!

"Bodies" is pretty cool

― some dude, Thursday, November 29, 2012 3:41 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Agreed - one of my favourite songs on the second CD!