Skyfall: Bond #23

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dalton's angry Bond in license is sort of the precursor to Craig's this time its personal take, but License is really funny in its own way. Robert Davi gets one of my favorite one-liners ever

― turds (Hungry4Ass), Sunday, November 25, 2012 5:55 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah totally, re: dalton as pre-craig. Ahead Of His Time

i feel like this bond was so good in concept -- bardem is an ex 00 agent! he doesn't have a crazy scheme for world domination he just wants to fuck with M a bunch and then kill her! -- that they didn't bother to execute making a good movie!

― goole, Sunday, November 25, 2012 6:05 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this was the worst kind of bad movie where you spend the whole flick sitting there wondering why no one ever consults you because you wouldve made this movie SO MUCH BETTER

always avoided those dalton bonds growing up, have heard enough about them in recent years to make me curious (esp license to kill - 'bond + cannon films'?), thanksgiving i almost had my chance but there was only ten minutes left in it by the time i noticed it was on; ended up watching roadhouse again. skyfall was enjoyable, opening was great and enjoyed bond chasing bardem thru the shootout at the hearing, enjoyed most of the setup for 'proper bond' though everyone's right that the moneypenny setup that seems to have been devised to vaguely modernize and empower her (this ain't yr grandparent's moneypenny!) only did the opposite, esp paired w/ 'm is a man again, the natural order of the universe is restored'. considering how much bourne hangs over the craig bond i wish they'd gone just a step further (or focused a bit more or thought thru the story at all) and made bardem effectively bourne minus amnesia w/ more regret and anger fueled vengeance, but bond still the hero, basically a reactionary response to the bourne movies - 'the state makes us ruthless killing machines who follow orders or ppl die, you need me on that wall, etc'. i still enjoyed it - i enjoyed quantum of solace or whatever - but this was somehow more frustrating, for reasons max states above. hoping the next one is the lighter, breezier, this time it's not remotely personal trad-bond installment it hints we're at.

made bardem effectively bourne minus amnesia w/ more regret and anger fueled vengeance

this would have been brilliant!

bourne v bond, c'mon someone, make this happen

seriously have the same opening (maybe change macguffin, maybe not), then spend twenty minutes focusing solely on bardem - him prepping plot, motivation speech to some other mi6 agent he offs, establish that in the movie where he's the star he's the good guy, maybe there's some mission where he ended up killing a child and m knew it would happen but fuckit england, and then when he lands his first blow (maybe he blows up mi6, hacks their computers) enter bond, our 'hero'. 'yknow under different circumstances we might have been friends' etc.

Goldeneye also had a terrific title credits sequence. Can't remember a thing about Skyfall one.

definitely felt like bardem was coming close to saying "look at what they make you give" a few times

Feel like I'm always banging on about it when Dalton comes up in a Bond thread, but The Living Daylights is solidly in my top five.

the part with Charles Trenet's 'Boum' was one of the most eerie, kinda sinister uses of music since Hurdy Gudry Man in Zodiac imo.

yeah The Living Daylights is easily in my top few Bonds; i still treasure my sheet of stickers that came free with Weetabix.

This movie was pretty ok.

Admit it, we could make any movie better, right?

Sam Mendes does think gay dudes are creepy, though

Sam Mendes is pretty creepy.

His wife seems nice but also likely to fall for the devices for crepes. If only I'd met her.

* of crepes

Sam Mendes does think gay dudes are creepy, though

i never thought about this but yeah, the only other sam mendes movie i've knowingly seen also had a huge gay panic moment in it

(i.e. american beauty)

thing about severine/bond was that i thought at first she was playing bond with the victim steez, and he was happy to go along with that. Then it seemed likelier that she was being straight with him (ridiculous but sure fuckit) and he was all up for the rescue. Then i figured it was more in character for craigbond to play along with a rescue attempt just to get closer to the target, ans she's disposable all along.

I think that could have been a neat line, but the playout of this strand was such a mess (like so much else) that it's tough to credit mendes with enough lucidity to say anything for sure beyond 'girl seems vulnerable, bond screws her, she's written off callously almost immediately' without us being able to attribute any character insight into either bond or our villain.

I just read it as Silva attempting to fuck with Bond by threatening her, and Bond pretending not to care so it wouldn't appear that Silva's able to get to him. I mean, this is a villain who has been reading Bond's files and Craig's version of Bond does have that Vesper incident in there.

i never thought about this but yeah, the only other sam mendes movie i've knowingly seen also had a huge gay panic moment in it

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, November 26, 2012 5:34 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

(i.e. american beauty)

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, November 26, 2012 5:35 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this isn't quite fair. alan ball!

the bond gay-panic scene does end with the lol-take-that-homophobes line of "who says i haven't" (or w/e). honestly at this point i'm chalking up everything bad about this movie to ineptness.

lol, no one is calling anyone mum in this or any other bond film, they're saying ma'am

its confusing b/c bardem DOES call her "mum" right? i didnt think bond was tho

argh still so mad about the music in this. why fuck up that amazing shanghai tower fight with such a terrible score

why does no one call me about these things

The "mum" thing drove me crazy in MI5 and Inspector Lewis too.

Damn, this pusle pounding action music sucks arse... better replace it with some pooping butthole Vangelis crap I guess

*rolls eyes*

did you say "sucks arse" because you're in a mood for britishisms in a bond style, or to draw a distinction between sucking ass and being hungry for it?

I was clearly posting in max's voice.

when are they gonna let the guy who directed donnie darko take a crack at a bond movie?

max is british now?!?

has De Palma ever expressed an interest? cause boy would i love to see that.

tbh next one shd be Mike Leigh or gtfo

tim burton, we can find out how bond's dad tried to crush his creative spirit as a child, then after that we could get a superbond reboot where bond lands on the tower bridge into the surprised yet kindly arms of michael caine, a child fleeing the destruction of his home planet

wes anderson's james bond !

now THAT would be stylish !

max would totally rock a monocle

Maxacle

is he saying "mum" or "ma'am"?
on some subtitled brit shows, it says "ma'am" when I thought they were saying "mum"

he's saying "ma'am." to an American, the vowel he uses (as in "palm") might sound something like "mum" but it's not the same word.

ma-dam versus ma-dahm

xp yes but it's not spelled "malm."

tbf britishes don't really pronounce the l in palm, either

is it a subtle or big distinction in pronunciation between ma'am and mum?

In the US? Huge. First of all, ma'am almost has two syllables? More so in the south and southwest but I think most people from most US places have a slight hesitation that extends the As.

I rewatched Casino Royale after Skyfall though and they definitely say maam the american way a few times. so I think all the moms in Skyfall were probs intentional

i guess they feel like m is part of the fumily

in the UK i think it's a North/South thing too re "ma'am". up North no one says "Ma'am" as "mum" i don't.. think. then of course there's "Mam" which people in Newcastle say which sounds more like "Ma'am" than "Mum" does.

Imagine Bond would say 'mother', but then you are in Avengers territory.

It is definitely 'ma'am'. Longer sound than 'mum'.

christ's sake