Rolling Metal Thread 2012

Or maybe, he just has different taste and that post makes you look a bit like a dick.

Trust me, I've done it before (sorry Doran, wherever you are).

Its fine to have different tastes, but to say something is boring and sounds like everything else they've done, its a little off-putting. When in fact the record is in fact got more shit going on than the last couple.

Saying your opinion of music is kind of the thing for which ILM exists. Insulting someone, in bad spelling, because you don't like that they don't like the music you like, is kind of the thing that drives people away and makes ILM suck. More of the former, less of the latter, please.

I think you are both right.

word... Opinions are based on fact. the fact that the record is different, and its described as the same, bugs. Say its boring, fine. Saying its the same, wrong.

I'm not trying to flam on anyone. Sorry I was dick-ish

First post: Ha ha, fuck you, you insignificant shit-pebble. I don't like the bands you like, so you impugn the company I work for? Lick the bag.

Second post: A detailed rebuttal, dealing strictly with music, coming soon. But it's time to begin a one-hour commute to work, so...

Wasn't someone saying the metal thread wasn't filled with drama?

OK...let's start with "Maybe the underlings over there don't have a clue as to wants going on in heavy music anymore."

Here's a list of all the metal records I've either reviewed, or commissioned reviews of, for BurningAmbulance.com since June:

Down, Down IV Part I - The Purple EP
Ehnahre, Old Earth
Grave, Endless Procession of Souls
Krallice, Years Past Matter
Kreator, Phantom Antichrist
Malignancy, Eugenics
Manowar, The Lord of Steel
Marduk, Serpent Sermon
Yakuza, Beyul

Nothing heavy there. Certainly nothing as heavy as the fucking Deftones.

Look, every time Deftones put out a new record, I listen to it. I loved Around the Fur. I loved White Pony. But starting with the self-titled record, they've fallen into a slumbering rut. Just about every song follows the same formula, especially Chino Moreno's vocals. The dude sings the same three-note vocal melody on every goddamn song, it seems like. The formal experimentation of White Pony has been totally abandoned - except on Saturday Night Wrist, when they just decided to be a Disintegration-era Cure cover band for one album. But even then they still sounded like their same, mopey, uninspired selves.

And Neurosis may not make the same album every time, but they certainly don't challenge themselves. I saw them live twice in 1996 and 1997, first opening for Pantera and Clutch, and then again five months later, co-headlining with Eyehategod. They were interesting back then. But in the 15 years since, I've just ceased to care. Even Through Silver was a slog to get through - the live show was miles better - and they haven't made a single album since that I've been excited by. They confuse slowness with heaviness (a common error), and the yawning-Sasquatch vocals are as boring as the riffs and the "tribal" drumming. I come to metal for energy and catharsis - these two bands offer neither. They're lazy, lumbering, and tiresome, and their fans take them (and themselves) way too seriously. They should both hang it up.

So there you go. I don't like Neurosis or Deftones. And I have reasons why, and they're not based in ignorance of the work.

I mentioned the extreme dubstep (dubstomp?) band The Algorithm a while back. They're still not really the metal/dubstep hybrid I want, but they're heavy enough to be worth mentioning now that there's a whole album: Polymorphic Code. http://open.spotify.com/album/2Ym0HnCH6ZWwgbkSufFplW

Why do you want a metal/dubstep hybrid?! The only dubstep hybrid I want is the one that makes it go away!

There's some metal, and some dubstep, on the upcoming record by The Blood Of Heroes; it'll be out 12/4 on Ohm Resistance. Also on the record: Justin Broadrick.

Nothing to get mad about. I apologized for sounding dick-ish.

just be consistent.. Now you're saying Deftones have done different things since White Pony. But before you said they've put out the same record every time since. No big deal.

I guess I make the common error of thinking slow is heavy too.. damn you physics!!

wow what

xxp wait there is a sequel to that Blood of Heroes album? I really dug that first record.

SeanWayne stop typing.

alex who are you to decide who should post on this thread?

Lick the bag

Still trying to pull my thoughts together as regards Voivod, but pretty sure it's their best since Nothingface (and definitely their best since The Outer Limits).

"alex who are you to decide who should post on this thread?"

If someone is coming off badly I think telling them to step away is basically good etiquette.

On "this thread" or any thread really.

i'm really going to regret this but: what?

whatevs.. its really not that a big a deal to me.

To be be painfully clear (even for AG):

"Now you're saying Deftones have done different things since White Pony. But before you said they've put out the same record every time since." is a pretty dick-ish (not to mention a complete misread of what Phil'd actually just posted) thing to type especially after specifically apologizing for coming across dick-ish. My "stop typing" was simply trying to save SW from future (accidental?) dick-ishness and half-hearted apologies.

whatevs.. its really not that a big a deal to me.

You say that, but it's hard to hear because you're stamping your feet so loudly.

Maybe there's some context to this discussion that I'm missing. SeanWayne, are you fourteen years old?

now who is being insulting

I'm over it..

thats why I don't come on here too often. too many people who thing their words are more important than us shit-pepples

I've been very tame on here. I could easily talk loads of shit about tons of music you guys like on here. but I don't out of respect to those opinions.
I spoke on a mere fact that I thought there were some inconsistencies on a thought process. Nothing more. You guys are turning it into I shit in someones mom's purse. I didn't feel like I was being over bearing about it.

I apologized pretty straight away, but you're kinda egging it on now.

Relax, dude. I've had a smile on my face the entire time. Your opinions are as valid as anyone else's. The only thing that tripped my trigger was when you started talking shit about Roadrunner, because I've been seeing that in a lot of quarters the last few months, and it always comes from a perspective of total ignorance about what's actually going on here.

I think the worst thing here is someone being dissed for bad typing/spelling. Seriously that is nagl.

word.. its all good, dude.

I think the worst thing here is someone being dissed for bad typing/spelling. Seriously that is nagl.

― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, November 16, 2012 4:43 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Typing vs. Spelling: the Poll

now who is being insulting

Kerr does like his polls...lol!

I prefer the new Cauldron album

Anyone heard the Dordeduh album? Feat ex-members of Negură Bunget

I've heard that Dordeduh album once. I don't remember a thing about it. That's not necessarily a criticism; I hear a lot of records. I'll get back to it again soon.

But at the moment the two things I'm totally loving are:

- last year's massive beauty-and-the-beast-style gothmetalcore album Sweet Relief by the Swedish band One Without, who have apparently already broken up since

- new massive shriekberzerker-pagan-black-thrash-metal Ekte Westfäölske Svatte Metal by German band Heimdalls Wacht

Preferably at crushing volume.

I think I wrote about One Without last year, wasn't overly impressed. That reminds me, though – haven't done my girly metal column in a while.

I found more lukewarm reviews of One Without than you probably wrote personally, and their we-quit note sounded pretty beaten down, so obviously there's something not-quite-universal to my response, but yow, I think they're fantastic. Listening to the first album now, and liking that too.

Apparently I did like them. Here's what I said three years ago about their debut: "One Without win the Amy Lee Smeared Makeup Award for Angstiest New Female-fronted Metal Band (not a real award, by the way). Some derivative alt-rock influence, but Catrin Feymark’s emotive singing and the band’s Swedish-born ability to write memorable songs helps Thoughts of a Secluded Mind (Lifeforce) stand out. Plenty of room for improvement, but the potential is there. Watch your back, Lullacry!"

Well worth checking out the second album. I'm enjoying Thoughts of a Secluded Mind plenty, but the second one takes the male/female vocal thing way, way over the top.

And on the poppier end of the German goth/rock/metal spectrum, I'm also liking Eisblume's new album Ewig. Arguably more rock than metal, and more pop than either, but their most metal songs are more metal than Xandria or Flowing Tears' least-metal ones, so I say them qualify.

Wait, no, I was mixing up two different bands and albums above. The one with the really wildly crazed male roaring over pretty female singing is Pleasures and Fear by Regardless of Me. They are Italian, and have not broken up (that I can tell). One Without does the same vocal thing, but not nearly to the same extreme as Regardless of Me, and have a slightly proggier feel to the music. Had. They're the ones who broke up. So that's three albums I'm loving, not two.

At least I didn't confuse any of those with the also-promising 2009 album Don't Fear the Revenge by the synthier, dreamier Alight (also Italian), or either of the more darkwavey albums by Sengir (Belgian, defunct).

Or any of the 100s of other bands on this: http://open.spotify.com/user/glennpmcdonald/playlist/1s6DGJAFH8vA1LHFkQnrTU

So I've joined your dirty journo ranks, loosely, very, very loosely.... lol!

http://www.hailsandhorns.com/featuresandinterviews/soldiering-on-an-interview-with-early-graves-by-sean-boyles/

Feedback welcomed but not required.. I won't wave this flag too often if at all. Note, this is my first time ever doing anything like this, but whatevs..

traitor!

lol!

And just to prove that I don't automatically like all gothic metal, I enthusiastically do not recommend Nova Vita, by Aevum. They are Italian. I will not be listening to this album. In fact, I'm not listening to it already.

that was a solid piece Sean

oh, word, thanks!

yeah nice one (you traitor)

I just had two extremes pop up in my facebook feed.. couldn't be more opposite really..

First this, and band called The Algorithm (wasn't someone asking about dubstep metal? This sounds pretty close..)

http://basickrecords.bandcamp.com/album/polymorphic-code

then this behemoth from Thou

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjGCVOX6tOA

I just thought it funny these two extremes in metal popping up back to back in my feed..