Thought this was an okay way to spend 2:30 but overall pretty leaden and over-plotted, could have been one of the terrible Brosnan Bonds except with better acting/more edge. Pretty annoyed at killing off M and making Naomie Harris Moneypenny.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 13 November 2012 23:09 (eleven years ago) link
every half decent 'grown-up' action movie lately was overlong and overplotted, so sick of director's writing chops. Watch some mctiernan, learn something you hacks.
― bill paxman (darraghmac), Tuesday, 13 November 2012 23:13 (eleven years ago) link
good reference point because the villainy here was some lesser-Die Hard shit, except Timothy Olyphant >>>>> Javier Bardem
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 13 November 2012 23:15 (eleven years ago) link
jeez guys this was massive dumb fun try watching it when yr not clinically depressed
― only Brod can judge me (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 13 November 2012 23:16 (eleven years ago) link
notm it was massively dumb fun spoiled by bad drama intruding for the last half
― bill paxman (darraghmac), Tuesday, 13 November 2012 23:19 (eleven years ago) link
man weeping for his bombed out vintage car was excellent drama and also makes u think.
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 13 November 2012 23:22 (eleven years ago) link
weeping for the cold war instead of this 21st century everyone's-a-spy, you-get-no-toys shit
― under minnesota shakedown (mh), Tuesday, 13 November 2012 23:25 (eleven years ago) link
even when it went all Hogwarts it was great, Albert Finney was fantastic as Albert Finney With A Beard
― only Brod can judge me (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 13 November 2012 23:43 (eleven years ago) link
god the "hacking" in this was friggin' embarrassing.
― formerly r. bean (soda), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 00:21 (eleven years ago) link
^^^
― does smooshing cloacae together actually count as sodomy??? (silby), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 00:29 (eleven years ago) link
actually to be honest I could've accepted all the "hacking!!111" if the film hadn't been premised on the theft of a comprehensive MI6 cover list that was unaccountably on a laptop hard drive that was then transported to another country.
― does smooshing cloacae together actually count as sodomy??? (silby), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 00:31 (eleven years ago) link
xp heh i'm sure actual brutal murderers nudge each other and say much the same thing during the fight scenes, whaddayagonnado
― bill paxman (darraghmac), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 00:32 (eleven years ago) link
ps what the hell ever happened the big important fuckin list of names, they kinda dropped that ball huh
M. ejector seat gag was great tho
― formerly r. bean (soda), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 00:36 (eleven years ago) link
(wish it had actually been used)
watching dame judy fly above the highlands shrieking wd. have been a crowning achievement of action cinema
― formerly r. bean (soda), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 00:37 (eleven years ago) link
doesn't Rafe Fiennes actually say at one point, "why do you have a fucking hard drive full of cover names?" and Judi Dench is all "suck it"
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 14 November 2012 00:38 (eleven years ago) link
i dunno has it been said but she's been p bad at her job throughout her stint as m
― bill paxman (darraghmac), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 00:41 (eleven years ago) link
Srsly she went through three different 007s, should've been fired years ago tbqf
― super perv powder (Phil D.), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 01:29 (eleven years ago) link
"I mean look it costs a lot to train these, can you keep it under control for a bit?"
― super perv powder (Phil D.), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 01:30 (eleven years ago) link
who was third bond?
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 14 November 2012 02:02 (eleven years ago) link
someone who died before craig's recruitment i guess
― bill paxman (darraghmac), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 02:06 (eleven years ago) link
someone otm upthread, this pic weighed down heavily by the spectre of christopher nolan. if only nolan and peter jackson could find themselves a writer/editor or two between them, what great work they could do
― bill paxman (darraghmac), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 02:31 (eleven years ago) link
nothing wrong with Jackson that a 9 hour trilogy of Meet the Feebles wdn't put right
― only Brod can judge me (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 02:48 (eleven years ago) link
i tihnk he's fucking makin it is the problem
― bill paxman (darraghmac), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 02:49 (eleven years ago) link
always felt the hippo's back story needed elaborating
― only Brod can judge me (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 02:50 (eleven years ago) link
tim burton to write in daddy issues, gillia offering the 'accountants can't judge me' angle, good collaboration imo
― bill paxman (darraghmac), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 02:56 (eleven years ago) link
i like to think that the wackiness of the hacking scenes in this was a wink to how ridiculous the technology scenes in the pierce brosnans bons were (srsly that shit has aged so poorly) but prob not
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 02:57 (eleven years ago) link
i like to think the "rule Britannia" shite was satire but prob not
― only Brod can judge me (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 02:59 (eleven years ago) link
outside of UK i thought it played ironic/funny/kind of sad
― formerly r. bean (soda), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 03:31 (eleven years ago) link
Actually the thing that freaked me out a bit was when things started going into the Underground sequence and I started wondering if there was going to be a bomb or the like, just because of 2005. Very glad that they didn't go that route, obv.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 14 November 2012 04:08 (eleven years ago) link
there was an explosion that derailed a train wasnt there? i was surprised they went there actually
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 04:14 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, but it was conspicuously empty
― does smooshing cloacae together actually count as sodomy??? (silby), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 04:16 (eleven years ago) link
I like how in this movie encryption is just, like, this thick metal bar that you can bend if you're a bad enough dude.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 05:47 (eleven years ago) link
M's password was probably "password"
― does smooshing cloacae together actually count as sodomy??? (silby), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 05:48 (eleven years ago) link
That actually happened in Spooks. I love Spooks.
― kinder, Wednesday, 14 November 2012 08:37 (eleven years ago) link
I like how Vaio paid big product placement bucks to show their computers getting repeatedly hacked
― running like a young deer (symsymsym), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 08:50 (eleven years ago) link
Or Heineken so that James Bond is seen covering the label with his hand, while drinking himself to death.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 14 November 2012 10:54 (eleven years ago) link
There's only been one 007 I think - they retire the numbers.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 14 November 2012 11:03 (eleven years ago) link
Talking of product placement bucks, virtually every single ad before the film was Bond-related, some even including appearances by Daniel Craig. Really shameless stuff, even considering how nakedly commercial the films have been for a long time now. I wonder what proportion of the budget was raised through tie-ins? Wouldn't be surprised if they turned a profit even before they started shooting.
The lingering close-up of Bond's watch during the otherwise breathless opening chase scene got a major lol from me.
― bizarro gazzara, Wednesday, 14 November 2012 11:14 (eleven years ago) link
and yet, what does it matter. if movies get made cos some rich ppl still think marketing so obviously works, what harm.
Most obvious markets was ' MACALLAN 15 YR I HEAR IT'S FUCKIN YUMMY' but i mean, it is fuckin yummy, cheekless ghoul otm and i'd expect bond to know it's fuckin yummy ppl like stuff and like to be seen liking the right stuff even (especially?) pyscho ubernationalist killer playboys
― bill paxman (darraghmac), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 11:20 (eleven years ago) link
and obviously the books are full of relentless lifestyle porn, what he drinks, what he wears, what he smokes etc etc
― only Brod can judge me (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 11:25 (eleven years ago) link
ahah, yeah, the commercials were pretty fun. especially since they were saying where the shops were nearby the theater (I watched it on champs elysees) !yet, since I don't care about cars, watches, hi-tech or else, the only thing I wanted after the movie was... a glass of whisky !
― AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 14 November 2012 11:26 (eleven years ago) link
Well, it matters to me in that I find it distracting when characters stop what they're doing to deliver a pitch for a product. The last couple of seasons of Fringe stick in my mind for having the most horribly obvious shilling for phones and cars, for example, which did annoy the fuck out of me. If it means the difference between the show, or others like it, being made then I guess I'd rather they did it but it doesn't mean I can't find it horribly crass or think it's the thin edge of a wedge which will force even more distracting ads into narratives where they don't naturally fit.
In the case of Bond, it's less of an issue to me because the series has always been an aspirational jet-set fantasy and it's doesn't seem unrealistic for these characters to compare their money-dicks by extolling the virtues of expensive stuff. It did seem notable that the commercial sponsorships bled from the film itself into nearly all of the ads beforehand too, simply because I don't think I've ever seen that level of blanket tie-in advertising before.
xxp, obv
― bizarro gazzara, Wednesday, 14 November 2012 11:35 (eleven years ago) link
all fair enough. I found myself distracted more by the fact than M hadn't been sacked ten minutes in, or that bond hadn't been killed falling shot through the chest off've a mountain, etc etc. The rest, i think you take going in as v much part of the knowing wink-wink bond franchise lifestyle porn that, as NV says, is directly transferred from the books
― bill paxman (darraghmac), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 11:45 (eleven years ago) link
i mean, the car, the watch, the drink, the tailor- i think that a good writer or director can use these products as very apt and telling shorthand for the character- with bond lately it's hard to tell where the shill becomes the knowing reference becomes the scathing comment and back to shill again.
If the next bond was just a docustyle following of craig in character on bond's day offshopping in the high-end parts of london at what stage would it become satire of the whole job lot?
― bill paxman (darraghmac), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 11:50 (eleven years ago) link
about M being sacked, it's also weird that Fiennes tells her they decided to let her go, she says no, and they just say ok you can stay !I also thought that a younger fiennes would have been a nice bond.
― AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 14 November 2012 11:52 (eleven years ago) link
I think it's more "If you go now you can go quietly please go quietly", and she doesn't so it gets dragged out in a tribunal.
Also good to see Norn Iron is still providing a proving ground for British officers of a certain age.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 14 November 2012 12:16 (eleven years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, November 14, 2012 6:03 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yeah, I was making a bad joke based on past casting changes. Although "Casino Royale" kind of screws up any kind of continuity by establishing that Bond acquired 00 status with his second kill in the Czech Republic; I.e. some time after 1993.
― super perv powder (Phil D.), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 12:31 (eleven years ago) link
Oh surely there's something in the 60s that ties it to then - you'd go mad trying to keep it all in step.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 14 November 2012 12:59 (eleven years ago) link