I mean, to be fair, there's been at least one early single of his that was ok
― Raymond Cummings, Monday, 12 November 2012 02:16 (eleven years ago) link
so yeah, this album is really good. Now I understand why Interscope stood by him.
― Evan R, Friday, 14 December 2012 18:22 (eleven years ago) link
he's gonna be around for a bit
― salute me or crut me (J0rdan S.), Friday, 14 December 2012 18:23 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, that seems certain now. And I have mixed feelings about that, but damn, if he can make an album like this at age 17, maybe he deserves to.
I get the Flockaveli comparisons to an extent, but for me the big difference is Flocka is very charismatic in his way, and he brings a fun energy. Keef is just vile dude with a bitter presence. Kind of amazing he parlayed that into such an effective album.
― Evan R, Friday, 14 December 2012 18:26 (eleven years ago) link
he's a much better artist than anyone ever gave him credit for. very clearly not just riding on the tails of "i don't like" but slowly pushing his sound outward
― salute me or crut me (J0rdan S.), Friday, 14 December 2012 18:28 (eleven years ago) link
i don't find keef that "vile" or "bitter" at all... like, he often sounds like he's taking glee in playing the "part" of a "rapper" on his songs, a kid who grew up listening to 50 cent inhabiting that role... like there's a lot of "fun energy" that you claim waka has, evan, in keef's music for me. he sounds fucking stoked to be rapping... am i the only one who feels this way?
― bish (bosch), don't kill my vibe (rennavate), Friday, 14 December 2012 18:47 (eleven years ago) link
or maybe not stoked to be rapping as much as making rap songs, if that makes any sense at all...
I understand what you're saying. Keef is obviously engaged, and enjoying what he does—the record would be miserable if he didn't. But I don't sense the same "I'm loving every fucking minute of this" release from him that I do from Flocka. He takes a much more austere posture.
― Evan R, Friday, 14 December 2012 19:03 (eleven years ago) link
― salute me or crut me (J0rdan S.), Friday, December 14, 2012 1:23 PM (57 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
bottling this gem and releasing it back into the wild in december 2013 to see how it smells then
― Poli oppa lice style (some dude), Friday, 14 December 2012 19:21 (eleven years ago) link
Lol
― Raymond Cummings, Friday, 14 December 2012 19:53 (eleven years ago) link
ha; Al's word choices are always so vivid. Love it.
― Evan R, Friday, 14 December 2012 20:12 (eleven years ago) link
i usually don't mix that many metaphors tbh but i had just woken up from a nap
― Poli oppa lice style (some dude), Friday, 14 December 2012 20:18 (eleven years ago) link
it's ok, they all land
― Evan R, Friday, 14 December 2012 20:26 (eleven years ago) link
― Poli oppa lice style (some dude), Friday, December 14, 2012 2:21 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
i assume you'll be catching on right around then
― salute me or crut me (J0rdan S.), Friday, 14 December 2012 21:09 (eleven years ago) link
where is this sudden meme about waka being joyous and charismatic coming from
― D-40, Friday, 14 December 2012 22:02 (eleven years ago) link
like you guys are thinking of his PETA ads and not his actual musical output
his personality is that way & his music has trended that way at times since flockaveli but flockaveli is not that way at all
― salute me or crut me (J0rdan S.), Friday, 14 December 2012 22:03 (eleven years ago) link
look at waka in the 'live by the gun' video & tell me hes not as or more detached & dead-eyed than keef has ever been
― D-40, Friday, 14 December 2012 22:04 (eleven years ago) link
haha brutal zing j0rd
― Poli oppa lice style (some dude), Friday, 14 December 2012 22:05 (eleven years ago) link
deej you know you cherrypicked one waka video out of 200 others where he's pulling grinning and pulling faces all over the place
― Poli oppa lice style (some dude), Friday, 14 December 2012 22:06 (eleven years ago) link
lol pulling grinning sorry for typo
deej makes an important distinction tho
― salute me or crut me (J0rdan S.), Friday, 14 December 2012 22:07 (eleven years ago) link
at least as far as flockaveli goes
― salute me or crut me (J0rdan S.), Friday, 14 December 2012 22:08 (eleven years ago) link
keef may take the same track as he continues to isolate himself from the streets... i mean his grimmest tracks are certainly the earliest
citgo is so good. it's the song soulja boy should of made.
― tpp, Friday, 14 December 2012 22:09 (eleven years ago) link
'zan with that lean' era soulja boy that is
― tpp, Friday, 14 December 2012 22:10 (eleven years ago) link
― Poli oppa lice style (some dude), Friday, December 14, 2012 4:06 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
which? the one that springs to mind is the one with keef, who is also grinning.
to me what is interesting about keef's style is that it is at once 'deadened' as ppl have described its ... detached-ness, but projected. Like, his voice jumps forward. I feel like for most rappers when you try to put that kind of energy in it, you lose that detached 'cool' cf pusha t in 2012
― D-40, Friday, 14 December 2012 22:11 (eleven years ago) link
all of them besides 'live by the gun' iirc? like waka was hilarious in the 'bingo' video and that was one of his first big looks.
― Poli oppa lice style (some dude), Friday, 14 December 2012 22:12 (eleven years ago) link
well it's not like the "i don't like" or "3hunna" videos depict a sad or detached keef. it's a different conversation.
― salute me or crut me (J0rdan S.), Friday, 14 December 2012 22:14 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i'm not sure why videos were brought up to begin with just thought d-40's trying to hard w/ the waka video example
― Poli oppa lice style (some dude), Friday, 14 December 2012 22:16 (eleven years ago) link
ew gross i called deej 'd-40' what is happening to me
― Poli oppa lice style (some dude), Friday, 14 December 2012 22:17 (eleven years ago) link
what do they call you in the bay, '40 daughter'?
ok, well talk about his delivery on any track on waka's album.
― D-40, Friday, 14 December 2012 22:18 (eleven years ago) link
― Poli oppa lice style (some dude), Friday, December 14, 2012 4:17 PM (33 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol
i missed deej saying "video" cuz "live by the gun" is a pretty good counterexample to the narrative deej is trying to counter
― salute me or crut me (J0rdan S.), Friday, 14 December 2012 22:19 (eleven years ago) link
dude seems more interested in melody than waka
― tpp, Friday, 14 December 2012 22:21 (eleven years ago) link
ok look guys, forget the video -- i felt like live by the gun was a good example, visually, of waka's style more generally. his stuff that people really like almost never sounds 'joyous' or w/e, it's cement-brick-hard shit. right?
― D-40, Friday, 14 December 2012 22:25 (eleven years ago) link
'no hands' is joyous tho but it's kind of an outlier if his biggest (?) song
― tpp, Friday, 14 December 2012 22:27 (eleven years ago) link
i dunno out of his 5-10 biggest singles that only describes "hard in the paint" doesn't it? unless you're talking about his "core" fanbase's favorites vs. what most people actually know him for. xp
― some dude, Friday, 14 December 2012 22:28 (eleven years ago) link
"waka will you be my baby daddy?" NO! **throws cinder block into wall**
― some dude, Friday, 14 December 2012 22:29 (eleven years ago) link
i see 'hate being sober' being a radio smash tho and it's gonna be off keef's own back whereas you could prob argue 'no hands' was so popular cos of the sing-song hook.
― tpp, Friday, 14 December 2012 22:30 (eleven years ago) link
i would agree waka has more charisma however
― tpp, Friday, 14 December 2012 22:32 (eleven years ago) link
(i hope you have more bottles)
― tpp, Friday, 14 December 2012 22:33 (eleven years ago) link
this is getting into hip hop dungeons & dragons territory but i think keef is the more charismatic artist by +2
― D-40, Friday, 14 December 2012 22:34 (eleven years ago) link
i just think it's interesting that the Flockaveli thread even at the height of its excitement had a lot of fatalistic (and in retrospect realistic) talk about 'he made a great album but he'll never top this, it's all downhill from here' compared to the incredibly optimistic 7 day forecast itt
― some dude, Friday, 14 December 2012 22:34 (eleven years ago) link
the direction keef seems to be pushing with this album suggests 50 is a better reference point anyway and i find it interesting how this sounds worlds apart from other rap music heavily influenced by 50 (e.g. max b)
― tpp, Friday, 14 December 2012 22:39 (eleven years ago) link
― some dude, Friday, December 14, 2012 4:34 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i mean...was that not true about waka?
i think this album is worse than flockaveli but he has more room to grow / higher ceiling. i mean, anything can happen, i think predicting these things is stupid. but the potential is there imo
― D-40, Friday, 14 December 2012 22:47 (eleven years ago) link
i said 'in retrospect realistic', read the post jeez
i guess i have no idea what the best case scenario for chief keef's artistic growth or commercial prospects, maybe a lack of imagination on my part but i can't see it
― some dude, Friday, 14 December 2012 22:53 (eleven years ago) link
idk what it is either but i didn't see good kid, maad city coming either
― salute me or crut me (J0rdan S.), Friday, 14 December 2012 22:54 (eleven years ago) link
people were VERY primed for the kendrick album to do what it did, it was just the rare major label debut that actually fulfilled their expectations
― some dude, Friday, 14 December 2012 22:57 (eleven years ago) link
deej is that you
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 11 May 2021 20:26 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUl99v4I_60
Hard as fuck
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 07:25 (two years ago) link
Sisilafami is right. I talk to young artists daily who, in 2021, say Chief keef is who inspired them to rap
He’s the most influential artist of the decade and had an immeasurable impact
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 07:27 (two years ago) link
I really hate !! The contention that his post major label stuff was just weird off brand experiments and bad diy self production. It’s underestimating it’s broad popular appeal, while simultaneously overvaluing the quality of the samey saturation of streaming rap in the last few years
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 07:51 (two years ago) link
whatever happened to that project he was making with mike will? both singles were excellent
― bart harley-jarvis cocker (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 14:29 (two years ago) link
No idea. I thought they were just ok. Like this new song more honestly.
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 15:30 (two years ago) link
Thinking about joe's posts is driving me nuts lol. "stayed in the pocket" he invented the fucking pocket
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 18:02 (two years ago) link
lmao he shouldve stayed in it after he invented it
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 14 July 2021 15:46 (two years ago) link
in all seriousness i do respect the way keef has been out there doing his art but i prefer the early stuff
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 14 July 2021 15:51 (two years ago) link
new song is a banger tho, it's true
― bart harley-jarvis cocker (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 14 July 2021 16:04 (two years ago) link
hes def had some nice songs the only ones i can say i actively dislike are from his owl city period
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 14 July 2021 16:09 (two years ago) link
― lag∞n, Wednesday, July 14, 2021 10:51 AM (six days ago) bookmarkflaglink
the stuff casual fans like, the dont like and love sosas etc., that stuff is iconic but definitely not his best stuff. its also not the stuff uzi, 21, carti, etc. built their sounds off of. its not surprising ppl undervalue his influence when they dont even know the records. but yea, his tapes after finally rich are way way better than the stuff "most people" know.
Also among actual rap fans its the records from the mid-later period that are most well known these days anyway...faneto, earned it, text, my baby, facts, kills, those are more iconic singles at this point ... and tapes like bang2, almightyso, back from the dead 2, nobody, dedication are >>> finally rich. they're not 'weird experiments,' everyone needs to stop biting 8 year old noz tweets, they're just great rap projects, w more ideas per song than the average stretched-too-thing-recorded-too-long pain rap tape today
the shit that rips off that period -- 'we dem boyz' type music -- is the fuckin worst
i assume by 'owl city period' you mean thot breaker which is a dope tape, just corny bc it got twee pitchfork support & is somehow his highest rated album. its not bad at all though, there are classic tracks on it
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Wednesday, 21 July 2021 02:36 (two years ago) link
*stretched-too-thin-recorded-too-long pain rap tape
**the shit that rips off the finally rich early period -- we dem boyz type music -- is the fuckin worst
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Wednesday, 21 July 2021 02:37 (two years ago) link
among actual rap fanshope to meet one someday
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 21 July 2021 02:58 (two years ago) link
so like does he rap off beat on purpose
― making splashes at Dan Flashes (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 21 July 2021 02:59 (two years ago) link
just to go back 7 years in the convo
deej does deserve his victory lap, keef did become as influential as he predicted, not that's he's one for "I told you so's"
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 21 July 2021 03:08 (two years ago) link
― making splashes at Dan Flashes (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 21 July 2021 03:22 (two years ago) link
True it’s important ilx maintains condescension levels
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Wednesday, 21 July 2021 04:01 (two years ago) link
I was being serious except for the last lineyou were right and we (or I specifically) was wrong! he ended up being that important
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 21 July 2021 04:12 (two years ago) link
"they're not 'weird experiments,(...) they're just great rap projects"
This is not mutually exclusive. BFTD2 is weird. Keef has also a huge influence on hyperpop.
― ANU (sisilafami), Wednesday, 21 July 2021 16:25 (two years ago) link
Feel like you’re misunderstanding me — of course they’re creative & experimental but not imo in some way that’s somehow exceptional to rap artists when they’re in a creative zone generally. The exception w him is id say the frequency of the ideas, there’s room for a lot more variation & surprise as a result.
What joe said was “I do respect the way he’s out there doing his art” before dismissing that art out of hand, I think ppl tend to stigmatize stuff as weird that isn’t like … outsider art or some shit. It’s redefined the boundaries of the genre, of what is considered “normal”
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Wednesday, 21 July 2021 17:37 (two years ago) link
i domt see how you can say his later work is more influential when there are literal english making right drill music mate, ALSO idk why i am the one being attacked here when i have always been supportive of keefs artistic flights of fancy
― lag∞n, Sunday, 8 August 2021 16:31 (two years ago) link
i even like his aggressively avant garde work that only ticktok teens can understand but still i prob wouldve enjoyed a more direct career trajectory from bang through finally rich and so on, theres def an interesting path not chosen there, particularly i really like how he used his voice early on, in some ways he became a more conventional rapper after that, somewhat compensating by adopting a loosey goosey style
― lag∞n, Sunday, 8 August 2021 16:46 (two years ago) link
UK drill & NY drill were initially impacted by Keef in obvious ways (ie the first GS9 tape has flips of Keef's post-Finally Rich song "Pull Up") but the main blueprint for the sound is Lil Herb & Bibby's "Kill Shit." Which in Chicago was kind of a brief window / angle of the sound around DJ L's production.
The way in which Keef's post-Finally Rich sound was influential is much more around Bang 2 & the loosies from that 2013-2015 period, and its influence isn't so much on 'drill' the way its conceived in ny/uk as much as rappers like uzi, kodak, 21, xxx, playboi carti, et al
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Monday, 9 August 2021 21:43 (two years ago) link
imo he made his voice *more* interesting not less after "Finally Rich" -- on FR he was doing that style where his voice casually rides the beat, sounds like Gucci Mane but his voice pops more to the front of the speaker where Gucci was kind of demur. But then he did that looser more aggressive attack & that's when his voice became way more malleable & started experimenting w/ darker melodies & textures & IMO showed much more the possibilities for vocal stylings that other artists picked up and ran off with
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Monday, 9 August 2021 21:45 (two years ago) link
new song is titanically great, goddamn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f36hvoQ-bCs
― comedy khadafi (voodoo chili), Monday, 15 August 2022 23:41 (one year ago) link
https://hiphopdx.com/news/chief-keef-finally-rich-10th-anniversary-reissue
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 5 December 2022 16:10 (one year ago) link
aoty
― devvvine, Monday, 5 December 2022 16:11 (one year ago) link
Mexicans in Chicago ✅✅ pic.twitter.com/K4qDsQap4B— El Sol Sale Pa Todos (@frijoliz) December 5, 2022
― lag∞n, Monday, 5 December 2022 16:40 (one year ago) link