itt WOLF HALL the book by hilary mantel and the upcoming hbo/bbc miniseries based on the same

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lol who said that, crazy talk

lag∞n, Friday, 9 November 2012 16:48 (six years ago) link

i think maybe i liked wolf hall a lil better but really they are v v similar

lag∞n, Friday, 9 November 2012 16:49 (six years ago) link

reviews..
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thanks for the tip anyway..

nostormo, Friday, 9 November 2012 16:50 (six years ago) link

from my vantage point of being halfway thru the first book after picking it up yesterday i would say that "better" is relative to the point of irrelevance. this is excellent.

Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 9 November 2012 17:12 (six years ago) link

James wood liked wolf hall better

lag∞n, Friday, 9 November 2012 17:58 (six years ago) link

two months pass...

im reading ' a place of greater safety ' now -- her french revolution one and

yall

it

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so

good

max, Thursday, 31 January 2013 01:20 (six years ago) link

i dont want to read history anymore i just want to read hilary mantels historical novels. i want hilary mantel on the 30 yrs war

max, Thursday, 31 January 2013 01:22 (six years ago) link

hilary mantel on the unification of italy

max, Thursday, 31 January 2013 01:22 (six years ago) link

hilary mantels lenin

max, Thursday, 31 January 2013 01:23 (six years ago) link

Gotta read these books

Gukbe, Thursday, 31 January 2013 01:23 (six years ago) link

If someone wants to convince me what makes them so great in two sentences I might be inspired.

Gukbe, Thursday, 31 January 2013 01:24 (six years ago) link

i can't imagine that anyone who is interested at all by the premise would fail to enjoy the wolf hall books

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 31 January 2013 01:33 (six years ago) link

Too many years reading academic history books has made this kind of thing hard to get into, but I love the period.

Gukbe, Thursday, 31 January 2013 01:35 (six years ago) link

its a better written version of a massive fantasy epic except the people are all real and the only magic is mastery of political intrigues

future crimes (Lamp), Thursday, 31 January 2013 08:21 (six years ago) link

Well done!

Gukbe, Thursday, 31 January 2013 13:54 (six years ago) link

lamp hardcore otm. i was hoping no one else had noticed. i have a developing idea for kind of ripping off the style of these books but applied to a different historical era and disguised in a more fantastical setting.

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 31 January 2013 14:07 (six years ago) link

tom crom, space pirate

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 31 January 2013 14:08 (six years ago) link

not really but that might actually be better

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 31 January 2013 14:09 (six years ago) link

"better written" is of course u+k

ledge, Thursday, 31 January 2013 14:53 (six years ago) link

lamp super otm

Wolf Hall rly rly reminded me of Dorothy Dunnet's Niccolo series (which is just historical fiction, no dragons or w/e), like i knew WH was more ~literary~ and shit and the Niccolo books happen like a century earlier, but the scenes in my mind all had a really similar feel to them.

bantz a make her dance (c sharp major), Thursday, 31 January 2013 15:17 (six years ago) link

to which end i prefer A Place Of Greater Safety because Camille Desmoulins

bantz a make her dance (c sharp major), Thursday, 31 January 2013 15:18 (six years ago) link

so dreamy

bantz a make her dance (c sharp major), Thursday, 31 January 2013 15:18 (six years ago) link

um i mean because it feels more distinct, more its own book and its own world.

bantz a make her dance (c sharp major), Thursday, 31 January 2013 15:19 (six years ago) link

two weeks pass...

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v35/n04/hilary-mantel/royal-bodies

i read this earlier this week and was really blown away, its maybe a little ott here and there but altogether a really wonderful essay/lecture whatever

anyway i was... interested to see this

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2280780/Kate-Middleton-plastic-princess-designed-breed-Author-Hilary-Mantel-attacks-Duchess-Cambridge.html

this morning. linked to by matt drudge of all people

max, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 12:38 (six years ago) link

You'll want the daily mail thread

lance armstrong will have been delighted (darraghmac), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 12:39 (six years ago) link

i'll say this here rather than on the daily mail thread but this is an amazing piece of writing

goole, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 22:53 (six years ago) link

one month passes...

Man, I can't believe I waited so long to read these. I just started Bring up the Bodies. I'm trying to pinpoint exactly what makes them so amazing and I can't, really. I just never want to stop reading them.

franny glass, Saturday, 30 March 2013 17:02 (six years ago) link

are you from England?

nostormo, Saturday, 30 March 2013 17:07 (six years ago) link

Nope

franny glass, Saturday, 30 March 2013 17:10 (six years ago) link

I'm just early in Wolf Hall, but really enjoying it. Supposedly I will read the whole thing in time for a book club discussion next weekend, we'll see. I had missed the Mantel-Duchess contretemps linked above, but it's pretty funny -- not surprising that the tabloids and Cameron entirely missed the point of the lecture, or that in "defending" Kate they pretty much illustrated what she was saying. Hillary Mantel seems like an interesting person.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 30 March 2013 17:10 (six years ago) link

cause i'm not, and i thought that was the main reason i didn't care.

nostormo, Saturday, 30 March 2013 17:11 (six years ago) link

I didn't know there was a thread for this! I love the shit out of these books.

Finally reading A Place of Greater Safety now and I love the shit out of it, too. Max OTM up thread about wanting her to write books about all areas of historical interest to me.

carl agatha, Saturday, 30 March 2013 17:53 (six years ago) link

Also, totally reading APoGS while constantly consulting Wikipedia. I didn't have to do that with WH/Bring up the Bodies thanks to 15 + years of obsessive reading about Tudor England, but I don't know jack about the French Revolution, aside from what I've learned from a few tepid History Channel documentaries. Completely agree with lagO_on that this is a great way to learn history.

And I did not know about Dorothy Dunnett, so Niccolo Rising is on my list now, too.

carl agatha, Saturday, 30 March 2013 18:01 (six years ago) link

two months pass...

i bought BUTB but i'm tearing through WH again first. still so good.

goole, Thursday, 30 May 2013 18:52 (six years ago) link

stall about 200 pages into WH; picked up BUTB now it's in pb - need to restart WH and blitz through both

cozen, Thursday, 30 May 2013 20:40 (six years ago) link

decent docu about Henry VII on BBC2 tonight, still yet to read Wolf Hall but this Tudor season is giving me the yen

another sub-standard post from (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 30 May 2013 21:16 (six years ago) link

There was a decent one on BBC2 last week Henry VIIIs Enforcer: The Rise And Fall Of Thomas Cromwell, not sure exactly what day it was aired, got it off the t0rrents. Got Wolf Hall on the shelf and definitely starting it in the next week.

Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Thursday, 30 May 2013 21:22 (six years ago) link

can somebody explain what this guy means by "the fucking Bullens"?

link

goole, Monday, 3 June 2013 13:12 (six years ago) link

oh duh i just got it

haha n/m

goole, Monday, 3 June 2013 13:13 (six years ago) link

two weeks pass...

i'm about 35 pages into BUTB and i'm getting a sinking feeling. i hope it gets over the throat-clearing recappy stuff and just keeps going full force.

it also has, i'm guessing, the marks of an editor trying to smooth things out. instead of the characteristic lone "he" which always meant Cromwell, the first several pages are littered with "he, Cromwell" which is really rubbing me the wrong way. she used pronouns so precisely before, idgi

goole, Monday, 17 June 2013 21:09 (six years ago) link

Am I off the mark for thinking that Wolf Hall/BUTB is something that someone who likes ASOIAF's realpolitik machinations over the magical mumbo jumbo would dig?

Lynyrd Cohen (Leee), Friday, 21 June 2013 05:09 (six years ago) link

you would be very on the mark

they're also books about a man who is above all trying to be modern and humane, despite whatever barbarism still exists around him, which also contrasts pretty strongly with martin (in the best way imo)

discreet, Friday, 21 June 2013 05:56 (six years ago) link

yeah, read these and then read c v wedgwoods 30 years war

max, Friday, 21 June 2013 10:39 (six years ago) link

This is probably an inaccurate and lazy thing to observe, but I've always had trouble with Mantel's writing style - specifically her over use of alliteration. I just find it difficult to make it through more than 3-4 pages without pedantic noticing some sentence-writing flaw.

On the other hand I've read evey Steig Larsson book so I guess mmmv.

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 21 June 2013 11:49 (six years ago) link

that seems nuts to me! i think she's got a great eye and a great ear. i can't even think of an alliterative line tbh.

also, that profile of her really opened some things up. her lifelong illness really makes the bodily nature of (political) life really resonate: how people get sick, what they eat, their aging, all that. also her experiences with ghosts; the constant mentions of the england's restless dead, its ghosts and myths lying in wait.

goole, Friday, 21 June 2013 15:31 (six years ago) link

agree

max, Friday, 21 June 2013 15:36 (six years ago) link

i was wrong to worry about the 2nd book, it's really good.

goole, Friday, 21 June 2013 15:38 (six years ago) link

is this in here? ny'er profiled her before in 2005, haven't read it

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/07/25/050725crbo_books1

goole, Friday, 21 June 2013 15:43 (six years ago) link

i don't have the books nearby so i'll have to trust my memory here but i think mantel has just about the best possible contemporary literary style -- deeply and carefully observant, casually intimate, an almost-inexhaustible sympathy for self-made individuals who easily overflow with pity for those around them. i'm not prepared to argue about alliterative details, but when writers lean too hard on that scheme it lingers for me like a kind of display, whereas Wolf Hall & BUTB feel more like time spent with an especially erudite acquaintance retelling some bit of history i learned by rote.

discreet, Saturday, 22 June 2013 03:57 (six years ago) link


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